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#1    willowdreams

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 10:35 PM

OK, *I* am aware of two doomsday scenarios for 12/21/12

1. Mayan one
2. Nibiru

I personally do not believe in either of these things. However, I find myself at a loss on how to 'explain' this to a few pple who seemingly think I really should believe 12.21.12 is the 'end'.

I ask if any of you can help me here.

1. One of my friends insists that the heavens are going to align.. yada yada you all know the rest..

I just want to know this, *if* this thing is true, would we not already begin seeing the 'planets' and such align? If so, what shoudl be we seeing now that would prove the truth.. and umm.. the earths magnetic core changing.. surely we would see something happening already? I hate just looking at her and saying 'you know how stupid you sound?' i would actually like to give her something to 'see' if her scenario was correct.

and 2. OMG.. I had no idea pple still really seriously believed in Nibiru coming to put an end to us on 12/21/12. until one boy was in lunch room arguing up and down that the planet is coming, and will kill us all, yadda yadda yadda... (I call him boy, he is in his 20's, what can I say, age diff here). All anyone there could say 'if it were really that close to being here by dec 21, we would see It by now, and he insists with all this weird weather, earth quakes, as well as the sun spots and such.. we tried to tell him that this is all basically normal as we know it from 'recorded history to today', he was just very very insistant..

the thing is.. IF such a thing was going to happen.. WHAT would be the signs we would most definitely be showing that would prove it?

Maybe it sounds weird, but I would like to at least SEEM smart here, and not just say 'you know how stupid all this sounds?'.. and actually have something decent to say that proves they are wrong..

anyone here can answer this? In either case, what would we be seeing NOW, this close to dec 21 that would prove that we nay sayers are wrong?

If we cannot see the facts that should be there, for all to see.. to make their case correct.. then they are wrong.

That is my logic of it.

Thanks in advance for any answers


Adding this on as an edit.. is it me, is it just me.. or is it mostly the younger people who are so anxious to believe in the end of the world doomsday stuff? (i know, exceptions, older generations do believe, just in my experience it seems more the young).. I wonder this because at my job site, from january through june.. when it is just us full timers.. and many have been there like me from 8 years to 40!... when we are in the lunch room we talk bout the latest news events, or the menfolk will go on and on about sports, or we talk about some tv show we just love to hate or a good book.. but from aug to december, when our job hires 100+ seasonal/temps, and the majority are high school kids to upper 20's.. the discussions seem to move away from what we older ones are into, and suddenly we are thrust into these doomsday things, or discussions about the lastest image on the moon or mars that means aliens were there!  the topics swing more when the younger are there, and this yr it seems to be doomsday doomsday

this could just be my imagination.. JUST wondered if anyone else noticed.

Edited by willowdreams, 20 November 2012 - 10:42 PM.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 10:48 PM

no no no no don't explain anything make a bet, if doomsday happens on the 12/21/12  then you have to *insert bet* but if it doesn't they have to *insert bet* so no matter what if doomsday happens and everyone is dead well then there is no way to do the bet >.> but if it doesn't happen then you got them!! (i have already made 4 bets)

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 10:58 PM

I guess it makes life more exciting to think death is just around the corner.


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Posted 20 November 2012 - 11:02 PM

View PostHilander, on 20 November 2012 - 10:58 PM, said:

I guess it makes life more exciting to think death is just around the corner.
Well on the plus side if the world ends I don't have to go to work in the morning.


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Posted 20 November 2012 - 11:19 PM

Nibiuru would be the easiest to disprove - it's supposed to be the size of Jupiter and arriving at Earth in December.
If so it should be visible IN THE DAY TIME by now and certainly at night, to the naked eye.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 11:20 PM

A galactic alignment will occur, as it does twice every year where the sun appears to rise along the galactic center. http://www.universet...ctic-alignment/

NIbiru is fiction. Some woman claimed to channel some alien and the rest is just a tug job. Also, as mentioned, you would see it in the sky by now. The excuse it that it's approaching from the south pole, but there is no "blind spot" on the planet. It would readily visible to the majority of the Southern Hemisphere.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 11:23 PM

Why is it whenever I channel an ale in all that happens is I get a hangover, why don't I see mystical planets full of super-advanced reptile people?

I must not fear. Fear is the Mind-Killer. It is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and to move through me. And when it is gone I will turn the inner eye to see it's path.
When the fear is gone, there will be nothing.
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Posted 20 November 2012 - 11:29 PM

View PostWearer of Hats, on 20 November 2012 - 11:23 PM, said:

Why is it whenever I channel an ale in all that happens is I get a hangover, why don't I see mystical planets full of super-advanced reptile people?

You're not doing it right. You have to believe or it won't work.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 11:33 PM

Since it literally takes years of time for the Outer Planets to move anywhere, and they are not even close to being aligned today. A planetary alignment is not going to happen.
http://www.fourmilab.../action?sys=-Sf

Also, there is talk of the Galactic Alignment. Well, that is fake too. There is a galactic gravity plane, but the Earth passed through it millions of years ago and is not due to swing back for millions more.

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Based on the solar system's current position (27 +/- 4 pc, or 75 to 101 light years) above the galactic plane and the fact that we are currently moving away from it, with an estimated passage through it about 3 million years ago, we are not due to re-encounter the galactic plane for quite some time. We won’t be back through the disk for another 30 million years!
http://www.2012hoax.org/galactic-plane

As to the Mayan Calendar... They have recently found another one that... wait for it... does not end in Dec 2012!!

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Numerous doomsday predictions are based on the claim that previously known codieces, like the famous Dresden Codex, chart the entire length of human history, but mysteriously stop on December 21, 2012 as if the Mayans knew that would be the last day humans would be around. However, the archeologists say that these the newly discovered tables — which pre-date the oldest known codex by as much as 500 years — span over 7,000 years of time, stretching far beyond of present age. So, you can breathe a little easier, though the news will come as a big shock to the tourism industry in Belize and other "entreprenuers" who are willing to take all your money off your hands before the big one hits.
http://www.theatlant...end-2012/52191/

As to Nibiru... If it was coming so soon, it would be close enough to be Seen By the Naked Eye at this point. I mean it would take Mars almost a year to swing over and hit the Earth even with its orbital velocity was somehow turned perpendicular. Since we don't see it, and we don't see any gravitational effects. (Which we would see.) I mean... we detect worlds the size of Earth around other stars by their gravity effect on their sun for Crying out Loud. How could a big rocky planet hide litterally right next door? And if Nibiru is coming super fast, then hell, it will shoot through faster then any craft ever made by man could catch, so I don't see how anyone could move from there to here anyway.

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Q: Is there a planet or brown dwarf called Nibiru or Planet X or Eris that is approaching the Earth and threatening our planet with widespread destruction?

A: Nibiru and other stories about wayward planets are an Internet hoax. There is no factual basis for these claims. If Nibiru or Planet X were real and headed for an encounter with the Earth in 2012, astronomers would have been tracking it for at least the past decade, and it would be visible by now to the naked eye. Obviously, it does not exist. Eris is real, but it is a dwarf planet similar to Pluto that will remain in the outer solar system; the closest it can come to Earth is about 4 billion miles.
http://www.nasa.gov/...012.html#nibiru

Let's see what else???

Earth's magnetic core reversal.... This has happened many times, relatively commonly in fact. Which is what makes people so scared I guess. But, the reality is that science has tracked this event using crystals in volcanic stones of varying ages to show that this effect occurs over tens of thousands of years, not minutes, hours or days. And it generally starts with the field going toward zero for centuries, which we have not seen yet. And... since it has happened so often, then it is easy to say that it is not an Appocolypse event, but simply a chance to get a sunburn a little easier.

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Changing frequency over time

The rate of reversals in the Earth's magnetic field has varied widely over time. 72 million years ago (Ma), the field reversed 5 times in a million years. In a 4-million-year period centered on 54 Ma, there were 10 reversals; at around 42 Ma, 17 reversals took place in the span of 3 million years. In a period of 3 million years centering on 24 Ma, 13 reversals occurred. No fewer than 51 reversals occurred in a 12-million-year period, centering on 15 million years ago. Two reversals occurred during a span of 50,000 years. These eras of frequent reversals have been counterbalanced by a few "superchrons" – long periods when no reversals took place.

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Most estimates for the duration of a polarity transition are between 1,000 and 10,000 years. However, studies of lava flows on Steens Mountain, Oregon, indicate that the magnetic field could have shifted at a rate of up to 6 degrees per day about 15 million years ago. This was initially met with skepticism from paleomagnetists. Even if changes occur that quickly in the core, the mantle, which is a semiconductor, is thought to act as a low-pass filter, removing variations with periods less than a few months. A variety of possible rock magnetic mechanisms were proposed that would lead to a false signal. However, paleomagnetic studies of other sections from the same region (the Oregon Plateau flood basalts) give consistent results. It appears that the reversed-to-normal polarity transition that marks the end of Chron C5Cr (16.7 million years ago) contains a series of reversals and excursions. In addition, geologists Scott Bogue of Occidental College and Jonathan Glen of the US Geological Survey, sampling lava flows in Battle Mountain, Nevada, found evidence for a brief, several year long interval during a reversal when the field direction changed by over 50°. The reversal was dated to approximately 15 million years ago.
http://en.wikipedia....gnetic_reversal

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 11:48 PM

View Postwillowdreams, on 20 November 2012 - 10:35 PM, said:

1. One of my friends insists that the heavens are going to align..

Excerpt from one of my articles about 2012 "galactic alignments":

Some proponents of the 2012 doomsday hypothesis favor the idea that the world will end due to a "galactic alignment." This term is misused and is erroneous, though, referring to multiple types of alignments.

One alleged alignment is between the sun and the supergiant black hole in the center of the Milky Way, Sagittarius A*. Although this alignment is impossible,1 proponents say that the gravity of the black hole would wreak havoc on the solar system. True, the gravity of a black hole is very powerful--so powerful, in fact, that light cannot even escape--but it is not powerful enough to affect the solar system, which is too far away for the black hole's gravity to have any impact.2 Black hole alignment advocates also claim that radiation from the massive black hole in the center of the galaxy will bathe the Earth on December 21. While it is true that the black hole will give off radiation, it always has. Stars and black holes give off radiation, which is what actually allows scientists to discover them. Some make exactly the opposite claim, that the sun will block out life-sustaining radiation from the black hole, although the same "life-sustaining" radiation is given off by the sun. The black hole wont give off any more or any less radiation than normal on the winter solstice.

Another supposed alignment that will occur on December 21, 2012, is between the sun, the Earth and the geometric center of the Milky Way. Similar to the alignment between Sagittarius A* and the sun, this alignment is also impossible, due to the center of the galaxy not being in the plane of Earth's orbit.1

Thirdly, another asserted alignment is between the planets, which will end in the apocalypse. It should be noted that this planetary alignment happened in 2000 and 2010, without any detrimental effects to Earth.3 Astronomers also agree that no conjunction between the planets will happen on December 21.4

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 11:50 PM

View PostImaginarynumber1, on 20 November 2012 - 11:29 PM, said:

You're not doing it right. You have to believe or it won't work.
I tried believing I wouldn't get hungover ... I ended up both disappointed and with a headache.

I must not fear. Fear is the Mind-Killer. It is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and to move through me. And when it is gone I will turn the inner eye to see it's path.
When the fear is gone, there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 11:51 PM

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 12:01 AM

Ahhh sounds like you are being forced by new agers to believe as they do or else, who knows what the f..u..ck what? LMAO...

IMO stay away from new age BS, live in the moment, in the NOW, you can die before the end of the world or any natural disaster visits your hometown, so enjoy and live life while you still can.

All these end of the world prophecies (sjoe-wee another mayan calander was discovered, another date for the end, wait hold on I am still fretting over the first one that was said to HIT earth in 2000 lol) are just negative energies and suck the life out of you, wanting you to feel bad and depressed...

And this vampire sucking end of the world dogma shizness only prevents you from completing your spiritual journey in the here and now, if you keep on holding unto something that is irrelevant for your spiritual path!

Relax if the sh!xt hits the fan, you know at least you lived and did NOT sit in a small room all day on your computer stressing yourself up about tales of doom... Don't let life pass you by by letting new age demons seduce you and take your focus off LIFE... Life is really beautiful outside of new age paradigms...

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 12:09 AM

View PostDieChecker, on 20 November 2012 - 11:33 PM, said:


Now go forth and Fight Ignorance. and if they will not listen, at least you tried and have the knowledge that the Facts (and Logic) are on your side.

you know, i do worry about our younger generations.. I had a young girl, about 17 come to me the other day at work and she asked .. "joan, I need help, I have a teacher in New Orleans, and I am trying to do a name lookup, I typed in NO for the state New Oleans, but got no results, why?"

After I closed my eyes and swallowed, I looked at her and said 'honey, type her first and last name, and put LA as the state. She asked why LA and I said 'because New Orleans is NOT a state, it is a city."

I was stunned that I had to explain to her, and more stunned when she said 'but isn't LA a city in California?".. I then had to tell her it is Louisiana...

I worry worry worry about the future.. and not because of a doomsday either.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 12:15 AM

View Postwillowdreams, on 21 November 2012 - 12:09 AM, said:

you know, i do worry about our younger generations.. I had a young girl, about 17 come to me the other day at work and she asked .. "joan, I need help, I have a teacher in New Orleans, and I am trying to do a name lookup, I typed in NO for the state New Oleans, but got no results, why?"

After I closed my eyes and swallowed, I looked at her and said 'honey, type her first and last name, and put LA as the state. She asked why LA and I said 'because New Orleans is NOT a state, it is a city."

I was stunned that I had to explain to her, and more stunned when she said 'but isn't LA a city in California?".. I then had to tell her it is Louisiana...

I worry worry worry about the future.. and not because of a doomsday either.

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