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UFOs with Speeds up to 27,000 MPH

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#181    ChrLzs

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 01:57 PM

View PostTheMacGuffin, on 25 November 2012 - 11:18 PM, said:

Edward Ruppelt did at least get a report about one of these films, though, which showed the "The UFO was 'higher than 40,000 feet, traveling over 2,000 miles per hour, and it was over 300 feet in diameter.'"

Please cite this analysis. I'd LOVE to go over it...

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 09:22 PM

View PostChrlzs, on 26 November 2012 - 01:57 PM, said:

Please cite this analysis. I'd LOVE to go over it...

I got it from this website:

http://www.google.co...bpa6efeMiDzHDGg


They were using these types of things to track missiles, although they also set up others to track UFOs when the reports started getting very frequent.  I think this type of thing has been done frequently when there is a UFO wave or flap.  They just hope to get lucky and sight one of them so it can be filmed and triangulated, and they also had planes standing by to get a closer look, although in this case they were ordered NOT to open fire.

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They could get pretty good pictures of missiles using these:

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 09:27 PM

You have to read through that report carefully, because it seems they got pictures of the UFOs on at least three different occasions in April, May and August 1950, but sometimes these seemed to get confused or jumbled together.

The final version of the Project Twinkle report was not accurate and the first project director was criticizing it and his successor.

Ruppelt was calling around and trying to find out what really happened when he became director of Project Blue Book in 1952, although I'm not sure if even he ever saw any of the pictures.  As far as I know, they were turned over to the CIA sometime in the 1950s and they may have them still.


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Posted 27 November 2012 - 12:44 AM

View PostChrlzs, on 26 November 2012 - 01:57 PM, said:

Please cite this analysis. I'd LOVE to go over it...

"He cautioned me that these figures were only estimates, based on the possibly erroneous correction factor; therefore they weren't proof of anything - except that something was in the air."

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 02:24 AM

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 04:29 AM

et seen flying at 4.5 million miles per hour

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 05:14 AM

View PostTheMacGuffin, on 24 November 2012 - 10:49 PM, said:

The only thing I regret about the Ignore feature is that it still shows that the post exists and asks if you want to view it anyway.

I have this person on Ignore and will not respond to anything they say.

I'm sure you read all my posts. However I've made my point to you before you "ignored" me and you didn't bother with an answer then either. Ignoring Facts, or People for that matter doesn't make them go away McG.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 01:28 AM

View PostbooNyzarC, on 26 November 2012 - 05:40 AM, said:

Unexplained is unexplained.  I don't think anyone here has tried to say that they were explained, unless I missed something.  Can we agree that they are unexplained?  I can agree to that.


We seem to have some very good information from the Queensland University of Technology though that offers a very good  possibility. My state has been kicking a few UFO goals recently with Professor Jack Pettigrew's (From UQ as opposed to QUT) paper on Min Min lights leading the charge.

I woud state we do know they are natural phenomena. They display meteor characteristics despite the objections. The only difference being the green discolouration, which QUT seems to have a good answer for, and like all good scientists they cannot release it as the answer until to has been confirmed, much like the current Mars information. Speed is not a factor as they can range from 11kms p/s to 74 kms p/s increasing by 3km p/s due to earth gravity, and the sizes purported are absolute minimum to create the displays described. Most meteors typically measure 1m across and 20km long, and consist of a cylinder of excited atoms and molecules. They are normally seen between 120 and 80km above Earth's surface. Which is what is described (i.e. 40,000 feet up, over 2,000 mps and at least 300 feet in diameter) Whilst papers form the 50's state these sightings are not natural phenomena, there is no way to rule out a meteor with current information. As opposed to "unexplained", I would consider this more "to be confirmed" Some of the meteors described in the linked study draw direct comparisons to the aforementioned New Mexico sightings analysed by La Paz. Outside of these old documents, I do not know of any person in the field of meteorology who has come to a similar conclusion of them based on further study. It is an interesting phenomena, but I cannot see an ET connection.

LINK - Green Fireballs and Ball Lightning.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 03:50 AM

thanks psyche, couldn't agree more ^^^ :tu:

i was checking for further research on that paper and noticed it being cited in two new papers... one being regarding the light phenomenon observed during earthquakes... http://www.sciencedi...304388611001495

fascinating stuff... http://en.wikipedia....arthquake_light

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 04:26 AM

View Postmcrom901, on 28 November 2012 - 03:50 AM, said:

thanks psyche, couldn't agree more ^^^ :tu:

i was checking for further research on that paper and noticed it being cited in two new papers... one being regarding the light phenomenon observed during earthquakes... http://www.sciencedi...304388611001495

fascinating stuff... http://en.wikipedia....arthquake_light

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Thanks for the links mate, that paper seems to be getting around, hopefully we will have some sort of confirmation one way or the other soon. With the paper citing examples from New Mexico, it seems pretty likely that we are looking at the same phenomena.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 04:53 AM

View Postpsyche101, on 28 November 2012 - 01:28 AM, said:

Some of the meteors described in the linked study draw direct comparisons to the aforementioned New Mexico sightings analysed by La Paz. Outside of these old documents, I do not know of any person in the field of meteorology who has come to a similar conclusion of them based on further study. It is an interesting phenomena, but I cannot see an ET connection.



I read that, and noted that they had both meteorites combined with ball lightning.  Of course, when I mentioned that these UFOs in New Mexico did not resemble ball lightning, several people jumped on me and said that they were something different, not an ordinary type of plasma at all.

When you read all the reports I posted, and how they flew up and down and in all directions, it was clear to LaPaz that no meteors ever behaved like that, and no kind of ball lightning ever lasted for such a long duration as these "fireballs".

As I also mentioned, many of them were not fireballs or meteors at all, and were seen during the daytime.

This is why my critics provided the other explanation that they were some extraordinary and unusual type of plasma phenomenon.  No one has to take my word for what was going on, though, just read all the reports I posted.  There's no question that they were real, and that people have indeed been straining to find some kind of explanation.


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Posted 28 November 2012 - 04:58 AM

PS  One of the reasons that LaPaz ruled out meters was because they do not have the long duration of these New Mexico UFOs, nor do they maneuver in the same way.

They definitely were not meteors.

This is why the only real "skeptical" explanation was that they were some kind of extraordinary, rare and unusual plasma phenomenon.


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Posted 28 November 2012 - 05:46 AM

Here are videos of a real green fireball, seen in the US in July 2012.  It is unmistakable as a meteor and very short duration, not like the UFOs in all these reports from New Mexico that LaPaz was involved in.

Personally, I don't think either of these was a real UFO but an IFO.




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Posted 28 November 2012 - 05:48 AM

Here's another green meteor from 2011, with a very short duration and downward trajectory.




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Posted 28 November 2012 - 05:59 AM

I would call these typical fireballs as well, not real UFOs.

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