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UFOs with Speeds up to 27,000 MPH

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#31    mcrom901

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 04:35 AM

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This 1952 article

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 04:40 AM

In February 1950, LaPaz plotted the trajectory of a "fireball" seen by over 100 witnesses.


Within two hours he interviews personally over 100 eyewitnesses. Many are military personnel who were waiting outdoors for a movie to begin. Others are guards and agents primed to watch for luminous objects. Other witnesses include oil workers, aircrew, control tower personnel. Once again, no sound was heard.
It is a "green fireball" in LaPaz's words, although Texas observers, at the end of its path, "reported its color as blue, orange, red and even purple instead of green."
(LaPaz-Rees, 21 Feb)

LaPaz plots the sightings and concludes that the fireball was visible on a path beginning at an altitude of 12 miles above a point southeast of Portales, NM, and ending at eight to ten miles above 32 deg 48/ 102 deg 22 after traversing a nearly horizontal path approximately 143 miles long at a velocity of up to 14 miles per second (about 50,000 mph). The path was closer to the earth through its entire extent than any other meteorite that he knew of, except the green fireballs of 12 and 20 Dec.


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http://www.project19...b/gfbchron.html

LaPaz wants samples. He thinks the debris will "consist chiefly of copper or copper alloy rather than ferromagnetic substances found in ordinary meteorites." This is based on his growing concept that the fireballs are experimental reentry test bodies designed to burn up during their transit over the target -- essentially enormous target marker flares deliberately designed by some enemy power to be confused with Geminid meteors (In fact, copper "heat-sink" ICBM reentry vehicles are actually a technology under serious study in the 1950s and are used in the first operational US ICBM years later - but are designed not to burn up during reentry). LaPaz writes that he makes no immediate attempt to make new sampling runs with Crozier's impactment collector because he is preparing to return to teaching.


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Posted 23 November 2012 - 04:44 AM

Definitely not ball lightning or meteorites:




Albuquerque (N.M.) Journal, Monday, Dec. 18, 1950 - p. 1.

FRONTIER AIRLINES PILOTS WATCH FLIGHT Of 'FIREBALL'

Another brilliant "fireball" streaked through New Mexico skies late Saturday night (12/16).

   It was seen by Captain A. Harvey, pilot of a Frontier Airlines plane approaching Albuquerque from Gallup, and co-pilot Merrick C. Marshall.

   The two flyers reported to Dr. Lincoln LaPaz. head of the Meteoritics Institute at the University of New Mexico, that the light first appeared in the northeast, approximately over Las Vegas.  They watched the light for ten minutes, they said, as it moved in the direction of Las Alamos.  During that time the "greenish fireball" seemed to circle Los Alamos and then head directly toward Albuquerque.

   In turning, the light changed from green to a very bright white and passed over and to the rear of their plane -- then near Albuquerque -- at an estimated speed of over "700 miles an hour."

   The time when the light was first sighted was at exactly 11:25 p.m.  It remained in view until 11:35.

   Both pilots are experienced airmen and said it could not possibly have been another plane
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   Dr. LaPaz is anxious to have reports from other observers.  Things that would be of most value to him are: (duration, observers' position; color and direction object was going when last seen; and close observation of any noise or explosion).

Dr. LaPaz can be reached at the U of NM, telephone 8861, or at his home, teiephone 54693

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 04:47 AM

Alamogordo Daily News - February 12, 1953, page 11.

    Continuing investigations of the "green fireballs" which have appeared mysteriously over the Southwest has led Dr. Lincoln LaPaz, University of New Mexico met[e]oritics expert, to the conclusion that they may be "man-made" according to an article in the February number New Mexico Magazine.

    "If they are man-made," LaPaz warns, "for the sake of civilization, let's hope they are made in America."

    Jack Gill, Albuquerque newspaperman, writing under the title, "The Mystery of the Green Fireballs.," relates the history of the fireball investigations and some of LaPaz' conclusions.

    "The fireballs are Kelly green, whereas meteors are red, yellow, blue, or white.  A green color could be caused by large amounts of copper, but this element is rarely found in ordinary fireballs.  It could also originate from certain man-made atomic fuels."

    Continuing, "They make no noise.  None of the observers of green fireballs, nor persons in the area of the balls, have report any sound whatsoever.  Also the fact that they disappear and no fragments have been found on the earth, may be evidence that their flight is controlled."


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Posted 23 November 2012 - 04:48 AM

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Second air sampling attempt at Crozier's lab. More copper particles are obtained.  LaPaz is convinced that this is evidence of the artificiality of the fireballs but Crozier is more cautious.

http://www.atsdr.cdc...es/tp132-c6.pdf


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Posted 23 November 2012 - 04:50 AM

On the other hand, some of the "green fireballs" were neither green nor spherical in shape.



Alamogordo Daily News - March 12, 1953, page 14.

SEEING THINGS IN ALAMOGORDO SKIES

T. B. Holliday President of Land-Air, Inc. which handles instrumentation services at Holloman Air Force Base, and John Proctor, vice-president, men whose scientific training qualifies them to be in the know along such lines, said in a prepared statement recently that they saw "an object" in the skies near here which "does not appear to be explained by any known phenomena."

The two men said they could not estimate the size of the object because they did not know its distance from them.

"If it was of an appreciable size," Proctor said , "its velocity when last seen must have greatly exceeded the maximum velocity of a V-2 rocket."

Proctor described the "strange light" in the following manner.  "The night was clear and the object stood out against the starlit sky as a brilliant orange-yellow disc, appearing to rotate slowly.  It had many colored spots around its rim and there was no indication that it formed part of an airplane or other objects as there was no silhouette or such configuration against the sky."

"The light," Proctor said, "moved from west to east with an upward trajectory of an estimated 10 degrees."  He and Holliday watched the object about two and half minutes, then it suddenly shot vertically upward and disappeared in the atmosphere within four seconds.

There have been many other instances over a period of time where credited persons across New Mexico have seen strange sights in the skies that have the experts baffled.

Although descriptions of the "things" seen do vary, none have been thought to be just optical illusions and, so far [as] is generally known, all have defied explanation.

http://www.project19...yliner.htm#land


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Posted 23 November 2012 - 04:51 AM

View PostTheMacGuffin, on 23 November 2012 - 04:44 AM, said:

Definitely not ball lightning or meteorites:

why?


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Posted 23 November 2012 - 04:52 AM

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LaPaz analyzed this picture, which was taken in February 1950:


Date: May 18, 2005
From: Francis Ridge <nicap@insightbb.com>
Subject; Incident at Datil, NM; Photo Unexplained
February 24 and 25th, 1950
To: CE, SHG, NCP


Sighting No.  175

Photograph of Unknown Aerial Phenomena taken at Datil, New Mexico by Cpl Lertis E. Stanfield,  Holloman Air Force
Base, New Mexico on 24 and 25 Feb 1950. An analysis  of the above photograph was made  by Dr. Lincoln LaPaz,  Head
of the Institute of Meteorics,  University  of New Mexico, Albuquerque, New Mexico, who reached the following conclusions;


a. The angular diameter of the perfectly round luminous  object Stanfield observed was
approx imately 1/4 of a degree.

b. The angular velocity of the object in the sky was greater than half a degree per minute.

Dr. LaPaz stated that on the basis of the results   (a)  and  (B) above,  the object seen by Stanfield was  not the moon (for the angular, diameter is too small),  it was not Venus or any other planet  (for the angular diameter was too large), and  it was not a bright fixed star slightly out of focus  (for the observed rate of motion is double that due to the diurnal rotation of the earth).

NARA-PBB91-400


http://www.nicap.org...l500224docs.htm

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 04:58 AM

In December 1949, LaPaz even considered the possibility that the "fireballs" were operating on some kind of "schedule".


LaPaz suspects that the Green Fireballs are appearing on a weekly schedule and desires confirmation. On the 19th he returnes to Los Alamos with Jack Boling of Kirtland OSI and Jerry Maxwell, FBI Special Agent in Charge, Los Alamos, and sets up cameras and transits at security checkpoints called "Nighthawk" and "Nightingale" west of Los Alamos in attempt to get accurate tracking and photo data. He is assisted by Los Alamos Atomic Energy Security Service (AESS) personnel .
(LaPaz memos, 21 Dec, 27 Dec)

A third point of observation is set up by a Mr Hubbard, an AEC radio engineer, who is a Naval Reserve electronic warfare company officer. Hubbard operates an SK-1M air search radar at the base radio station. He uses shortwave radios to communicate with other observation stations.
(McCormac-Tyler, 27 Dec)


http://www.project19...b/gfbchron.html



He also tried to duplicate their color in his lab, although as I noted not all of them were green and in some reports their color varied across the spectrum.


At some point during this period he tries to duplicate the green color of the objects in his lab. "Copper salts [heated to incandescence] in the blowpipe [gas burner] flame" are an almost perfect match. The color is similar to yellowish-green light at 521.8 nanometers, a known copper spectroscopic emission line. It appears that he suspected a relationship to Zwicky's shaped-charge grenade technology.


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Posted 23 November 2012 - 05:13 AM

Evidently the CIA eventually got this film:

Cinetheodolite Film Taken By Tracking Station
April 27, 1950
White Sands Proving Grounds, New Mexico

Brad Sparks:
April 27, 1950. Holloman AFB, Alamogordo, New Mexico (BBU)


While preparing for an MX-776A Shrike air-to-ground missile test Charles Riggs and other members of USAF contractor Land-Air, Inc., Askania theodolite crews saw, tracked, filmed 4 high flying objects on a cinetheodolite at station P-10 and a theodolite at station M-7. Triangulation resulted in 30 ft size and 150,000 ft altitude for the "high speed" objects located between Holloman AFB and Tularosa Peak.


Timothy Good:


Todd Zechel claims that photographic evidence found missing from the Air Force Project Blue Book files eventually found its way to the CIA's Office of Scientific Intelligence in the 1950s, and specifies a number of movie films taken at White Sands Proving Grounds, New Mexico: a cinetheodolite film taken by a camera tracking station on 27 April 1950; a cinetheodolite film taken by two camera stations on 29 May 1950, allegedly showing two huge UFOs traveling at 2,000 mph; and a 35mm film taken by a military pilot on 14 July 1951. (Source: ABOVE TOP SECRET, 354)


Brad Sparks:


The Holloman Data Reduction Unit report by mathematician Wilbur Mitchell stated that the speed was high but indeterminable.  Evidently they just did not want to state an outlandish number.  Presumably they had seconds not minutes of film of high angular velocity objects so a slow-moving Skyhook is ruled out -- also there were 4 objects close enough together that they were all within the FOV, so that also eliminates a single Skyhook (I really doubt that they would not know of Skyhook launches from their own base).  Only other possibility is daylight meteors but 150,000 feet (30 miles) is way too low and they should have dropped to earth and burned up not, as what apparently happened, took off in powered flight. (See BB documents below) Oder himself is quoted in the AF documents in 1951 as pushing for Mirarchi's federal prosecution on grounds that Mirarchi had allegedly revealed classified SPEED-ALTITUDE tracking data on UFO's.  That proves that Oder and AFCRL back in 1951 KNEW there was a SUCCESSFUL TRIANGULATION at White Sands, and one so important that they went to the extreme lengths of trying to get Mirarchi thrown in prison in order to maintain the coverup!


http://www.nicap.org...tesands_dir.htm



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Posted 23 November 2012 - 05:15 AM

UFO'S: A History
1950:
August ­ December
By LOREN E. GROSS
Pages 11-12

"Spies over Los Alamos?"

On two successive days, 30 and 31 August, 1950, strange objects, as official documents put it, of an "undisclosed nature" were observed in the sky over Holloman Air Force Base, New Mexico. The official report from Headquarters, 2754th Experimental Wing, stated that on August 30th:

"B-50 aircraft for mission of Missile MI-776, Bell Aircraft Corporation, was airborne and while employees of this company were scanning the sky for aircraft, two unexplainable objects were sighted in vicinity of the aircraft. The objects appeared at approximately 1045 hours and were visible for approximately 30 minutes, and seemed to follow the aircraft on both the dry run and the hot run, prior to release of the missile. Observers' stories differed to a degree and some observers saw only oneobject. At least eight responsible civilians and one Master Sergeant observed the phenomena." 29


What followed were six characteristics of the UFO's as perceived, one has to admit, by some fairly good witnesses. And one might be reminded that untrained observers were making the same kind of report, so we should ask ourselves if every one was seeing the same thing. The official Holloman document went on to say:


"The following points were noted by observers:
(1) Very fast rate of speed for short distances.
(2) Strong glare at all times that was not reflected from sun.
(3) Left no vapor trails, seemed to hover, make maneuvers and then accelerate rapidly.
(4) Made square abrupt turns, relative size changed sufficiently to determine ascent and descent, shape changed from round to elliptical.
(5) The two objects retained their relative position to one another.
(6) Appeared to be approximately ten times faster than B-SO aircraft and above aircraft." 30


The document then tells what happened the next day:

"Instrumentation facilities were set up this date [August 31st] and pictures were taken when phenomena appeared sporadically between hours of 1000 and 1300. The object appeared several times during this period, traveling at very high rates of speed, appearing from several different directions. F-86 aircraft from 93rd Fighter Group, Kirtland Air Force Base, New Mexico, were requested and made a four-plane reconnaissance in the local area for approximately one hour; however, the pilots observed no unusual aerial phenomena. The colored phototheodolite film was immediately airmailed to Houston Plant, Los Angeles, California, for processing....A final report will be forwarded to your office upon completion. Observers at phototheodolite stations noted the following points:


"(1) Object had definite shape, including depth.
(2) Disappeared when observer took eye off to read angle.
(3) No smoke or fire.
(4) Object seemed to rock or oscillate. ..
(5) Edges of object were not sharp or distinct." 31


The film was rushed to the Holloman Air Force Base Data Reduction Unit where it was analyzed in an effort to determine correlations that could establish a triangulation. Unfortunately, the UFO's had traversed the sky at too high a speed. 32, 33


FOOTNOTES

29. "Air Intelligence Information Report," prepared by Major R. G. Illing, Acting Base Director, Operations and Projects, 2754th Experimental Wing, Holloman AFB, New Mexico. 13 September 50. Blue Book Files.

30. Ibid.

31. Ibid.

32. Very faded document. No identifying data. Can be located in Air Force Blue Book Files by date: "August 1950."

33. "Air Intelligence Information Report," prepared by Major R. C. Illing, Acting Base Director, Operations and Projects, 2754th, Experimental Wing, Holloman AFB, New Mexico. 13 August 50. Blue Book Files.


http://www.nicap.org...man_report2.htm


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Posted 23 November 2012 - 05:19 AM

View PostTheMacGuffin, on 23 November 2012 - 04:52 AM, said:

Dr. LaPaz stated that on the basis of the results   (a)  and  ( b ) above,  the object seen by Stanfield was  not the moon (for the angular, diameter is too small),  it was not Venus or any other planet  (for the angular diameter was too large), and  it was not a bright fixed star slightly out of focus  (for the observed rate of motion is double that due to the diurnal rotation of the earth).

therefore it was what?

http://en.wikipedia....i/False_dilemma

View PostTheMacGuffin, on 23 November 2012 - 05:13 AM, said:

Evidently the CIA eventually got this film:

and the subsequent paranoia proves that they were et?


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Posted 23 November 2012 - 05:21 AM

A 22-page report on UFO sightings from December 1948 to May 1950 prepared by the Air Force Office of Special Investigations.  Too big to post on here.


http://www.nicap.org...alograwdata.pdf


Pursuant to direct orders from Brig. Gen. Joseph Carroll, Director of Special Investigations (AFOSI), HQ USAF, Washington, DC, on a visit to the AFOSI office at Kirtland AFB, Albuquerque, NM, a catalog of UFO (aerial phenomena) sightings including the mysterious Green Fireballs is prepared by Dr. Lincoln LaPaz for Lt. Col. Doyle Rees, commander of AFOSI 17th District at Kirtland, who sends it to Gen. Carroll.


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Posted 23 November 2012 - 05:23 AM

View PostTheMacGuffin, on 23 November 2012 - 05:21 AM, said:

A 22-page report on UFO sightings from December 1948 to May 1950 prepared by the Air Force Office of Special Investigations.  Too big to post on here.

let's stick to the fireballs and your reasoning as to why natural phenomenon should be ruled out... :unsure2:


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Posted 23 November 2012 - 05:23 AM

Two Objects Filmed During Shrike Missile Test
Aug. 30, 1950
Holloman AFB, Alamogordo, New Mexico

Brad Sparks:


Aug. 30, 1950; Holloman AFB, Alamogordo, New Mexico (BBU)

10:45 a.m. During a Bell Aircraft MX-776 Shrike missile test (for the later Rascal air-to-ground strategic missile) USAF M/Sgt and eight Bell Aircraft employees on base saw two glaringly bright circular to elliptical unidentified objects maintaining relative position to each other following the B-50 launch aircraft from above on both the dry run and hot run prior to missile release. Objects gave "strong glare at all times" not reflected sunlight, maneuvered at high estimated speeds up to 10x the B-50 or roughly 2,500 mph for short distances, left no vapor trails, hovered, accelerated rapidly, made abrupt "square" turns with apparent size changing to indicate ascent and descent. (Sparks; Jan Aldrich; McDonald files) 30 mins


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