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[SpiritWriter]

We are too concerned with being offended than allowing God to actually work in our lives. Does it feel like a sharp blade in your heart when you come across religious concepts? Maybe because God is powerful and is stirring something up in you. God, The Great Spirit, Cosmic Consciousness, is knocking at your door, not to upset you, but to enlighten you. Please get over yourself.

[Beckys_Mom]

EDIT to change my mind, I couldn't be bothered going into a long  conversation again  lol

Edited by Beckys_Mom, 27 November 2012 - 10:51 PM.

[=Jak=]

To keep this debate right...  we need to discuss more about mind... not god..  first v need to understand the mind, as of now we use very less part of it... so can't we say that if we start use 100%, v know our mind or god.

[SpiritWriter]

Its just really obvious that we as a species have a long way to go, in understanding the mind of God. But do know it is available to you, you can start studying, praying, meditating, learning from others, analyzing your own heart, talking to God (or whatever you want to call IT) ask for guidance etc... Getting to know the mind of God is a LONG and internal process. It will vary for the individual. But I really think it starts with letting your guard down with him. God is one who will come over you, he will beckon you, he will lean on you and begin to reveal himself to you, but you are not an inactive participant in this process. I hate that being Christian I have to be careful with my terminology around here, but understanding this Christ - the analogy of Jesus knocking on your door, and all you have to do is answer.. this is true.

You are correct when you say: Surely God is not only over one part of the world. That is true. God is over all parts of the world, everywhere and available to me and you and has been for all times, and that is why (he/she/it - which I hate to say, but only because so many need UNDERSTANDING) has been interpreted from everywhere in all of the ages. You can learn from these trainings, you can go to God yourself, but do not think that religion comes from no-truth and that it was only made to control you. Control you to do what, get to know God? That would be a benefit.

[SpiritWriter]

The control factor comes from the RULERS of the world....

[SpiritWriter]

=Jak=, on 27 November 2012 - 10:20 PM, said:

To keep this debate right...  we need to discuss more about mind... not god..  first v need to understand the mind, as of now we use very less part of it... so can't we say that if we start use 100%, v know our mind or god.

God feeds our minds when we are in-tune with him. The discussion is Knowing the Mind of God.. not knowing your own mind. Incorporating God into your life, is welcoming a greater understanding, it is about more than just yourself, even though you do find God within.

[freetoroam]

SpiritWriter, on 27 November 2012 - 10:35 PM, said:

Its just really obvious that we as a species have a long way to go, in understanding the mind of God. But do know it is available to you, you can start studying, praying, meditating, learning from others, analyzing your own heart, talking to God (or whatever you want to call IT) ask for guidance etc... Getting to know the mind of God is a LONG and internal process. It will vary for the individual. But I really think it starts with letting your guard down with him. God is one who will come over you, he will beckon you, he will lean on you and begin to reveal himself to you, but you are not an inactive participant in this process. I hate that being Christian I have to be careful with my terminology around here, but understanding this Christ - the analogy of Jesus knocking on your door, and all you have to do is answer.. this is true.

You are correct when you say: Surely God is not only over one part of the world. That is true. God is over all parts of the world, everywhere and available to me and you and has been for all times, and that is why (he/she/it - which I hate to say, but only because so many need UNDERSTANDING) has been interpreted from everywhere in all of the ages. You can learn from these trainings, you can go to God yourself, but do not think that religion comes from no-truth and that it was only made to control you. Control you to do what, get to know God? That would be a benefit.

A little preaching going on here! you must have UNDERSTANDING that not every one believes and not every one wants to. There are many other benefits in life which are not god related, many religious people have not given themselves time to understand themselves and and what is around them or what nature has to offer them beneficially. Yes, my way may not be as simple as opening up a book, reading it and then following its words, but my way is far more exciting.

[freetoroam]

SpiritWriter, on 27 November 2012 - 10:37 PM, said:

The control factor comes from the RULERS of the world....

And the rest, but you are correct. The control factor has been the start of many wars throughout history too, and most of them were to do with religion.

[SpiritWriter]

=Jak=, on 27 November 2012 - 10:20 PM, said:

To keep this debate right...  we need to discuss more about mind... not god..  first v need to understand the mind, as of now we use very less part of it... so can't we say that if we start use 100%, v know our mind or god.

but if we did have the ability to use more of our mind (that we are not using) I'm sure we would know the mind of God much more.... Why can't we use those parts I wonder? Maybe they are just padding. I don't know... I should read more about that.

[SpiritWriter]

freetoroam, on 27 November 2012 - 11:22 PM, said:

And the rest, but you are correct. The control factor has been the start of many wars throughout history too, and most of them were to do with religion.

True, but the heart of it was Control. God was the facade.... The common man is a pawn, and the ruler could appeal to man using God. The God I know is a God of peace. Understanding the Right Mind of God, and moving towards that as individuals (and a body of individuals) I believe we would begin to rise up shed light on these powers that are using us, killing and destroying for their own sick pleasures.

[SpiritWriter]

Killing and destroying are the attributes of the Devil.

[SpiritWriter]

You are correct when you say: Surely God is not only over one part of the world. That is true. God is over all parts of the world, everywhere and available to me and you and has been for all times, and that is why (he/she/it - which I hate to say, but only because so many need UNDERSTANDING)

freetoroam, on 27 November 2012 - 11:20 PM, said:

A little preaching going on here! you must have UNDERSTANDING that not every one believes and not every one wants to. There are many other benefits in life which are not god related, many religious people have not given themselves time to understand themselves and and what is around them or what nature has to offer them beneficially. Yes, my way may not be as simple as opening up a book, reading it and then following its words, but my way is far more exciting.

The context I wrote the word UNDERSTANDING in is because people get mad when you talk about God and say He. So in parenthesis I put He/She/It, which I don't like doing because it is not my natural form. I understand that not everyone believes in God and that everyone has their own way, I actually think that is beautiful. But when in discussion, I hate for people to get bent out of shape just because I say HE as apposed to He/She/It, as if somehow that makes it easier to comprehend for the reader.

when you say: many religious people have not given themselves time to understand themselves and and what is around them or what nature has to offer them beneficially - that is very untrue, religion (or experiencing God) has enhanced my life to the utmost degree, as I grow spiritually I see myself more clearly ... and ... This is not the first time I heard someone think that being religious doesn't allow them to see the benefits in nature. I wonder why people think that. Having God in my life OPENS my eyes to nature. I freakn love nature...

oh, and don't assume you know that a person that believes in God merely opens a book and follows its instructions and doesn't have an exciting life. You have no clue about the lives of others. It is good not to stereotype based on religion...


like I said, we need more UNDERSTANDING
religious and nonreligious, all people need more understanding
and discussions about religion prove it very well.

Edited by SpiritWriter, 28 November 2012 - 12:02 AM.

[freetoroam]

SpiritWriter, on 27 November 2012 - 11:37 PM, said:

True, but the heart of it was Control. God was the facade.... The common man is a pawn, and the ruler could appeal to man using God. The God I know is a God of peace. Understanding the Right Mind of God, and moving towards that as individuals (and a body of individuals) I believe we would begin to rise up shed light on these powers that are using us, killing and destroying for their own sick pleasures.

The beginning of the bible in Genesis, there is a part about men going to fight each other down to gods command. Please do not quote me on the exact content as i do not have the bible here now.
There are many people who are good minded and good hearted and NOT religious, so why then would god put man through the trials of war, death,  etc, when we know that man can live peacefully without religious guidance? it just seems that over time, those who have caused the wars and deaths have been the ones with religion behind then, their power for their religion to rule has brought a lot of hatred in this world let alone deaths.

SpiritWriter, on 27 November 2012 - 11:38 PM, said:

Killing and destroying are the attributes of the Devil.

And who created him?

[Sean93]

SpiritWriter, on 27 November 2012 - 11:38 PM, said:

Killing and destroying are the attributes of the Devil.

I hate how human nature is blamed on the Devil all the time. Fess up and take responsibility, we're animals, virus' with shoes. The devil and his demons (as you would believe it) are also held down by the chains of judgement and when The Final Judgement comes, he and his demons will be judged and thrown into the fiery pit...as said in the bible.

Satan/Devil is a sinner and what does your god say about sinners? that they should be forgiven.


“But who prays for Satan? Who, in eighteen centuries, has had the common humanity to pray for the one sinner that needed it most?” Mark Twain.

Edited by Sean93, 28 November 2012 - 12:00 AM.

[SpiritWriter]

Sean93, on 27 November 2012 - 11:56 PM, said:

I hate how human nature is blamed on the Devil all the time. Fess up and take responsibility, we're animals, virus' with shoes. The devil and his demons (as you would believe it) are also held down by the chains of judgement and when The Final Judgement comes, he and his demons will be judged and thrown into the fiery pit...as said in the bible.

Satan/Devil is a sinner and what does your god say about sinners? that they should be forgiven.


“But who prays for Satan? Who, in eighteen centuries, has had the common humanity to pray for the one sinner that needed it most?” Mark Twain.

Satan is evil at its prime, it is the representation of the evil in the world. Sinners can easily be forgiven if they change their ways. Yes, humans did it, they should cut that sh!t out and quit acting like the devil.