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Posted 03 December 2012 - 07:54 PM

UK and France warns against Israel not to go ahead with the development and could threaten peace


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Posted 03 December 2012 - 08:35 PM

View Postglorybebe, on 03 December 2012 - 05:17 PM, said:

There are times wgen I agree with you in other threads.  But, to quite a few if us, you seem blind to the history of the Palestinian/Isreali situation.  You only see things in the Isreali 'side'.  You get frustrated with people responding to you because they din't answer you as you see it.  Yet, I see it as you ignoring posts you don't agree with.
I may have been guilty of that in some ways.  But this question is a very simple and straightforward question and it really gets to the heart of the Israel/Palestinian mess - yet no one will answer it.  To me, it's just about the honesty of those who take the Palestinian side in this issue.  I have always been completely upfront about my support of Israel, including why I do so.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 08:42 PM

View PostThe New Richard Nixon, on 03 December 2012 - 07:54 PM, said:

UK and France warns against Israel not to go ahead with the development and could threaten peace
The early reports were that they both were recalling their ambassadors in a rage.  It still mystifies me why western governments allow themselves to be influenced by such propaganda.  They get angry that Israel lashes out after the Palestinians essentially void the Oslo accords?  Why are they not angry with the Palestinians?

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 08:43 PM

More nations now, Russia, Germany, Denmark, Sweden and Spain


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Posted 03 December 2012 - 08:45 PM

View Postand then, on 03 December 2012 - 08:42 PM, said:

The early reports were that they both were recalling their ambassadors in a rage.  It still mystifies me why western governments allow themselves to be influenced by such propaganda.  They get angry that Israel lashes out after the Palestinians essentially void the Oslo accords?  Why are they not angry with the Palestinians?
Because maybe they accepted the fact that the peace plan was accepted and also accept it's UN stance. I don't think its propaganda I think nations are now starting to realize what the real problem is....and that is Israel. I keep saying that Israel wants Palestine to react to these new homes being built


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Posted 03 December 2012 - 08:54 PM

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Because maybe they accepted the fact that the peace plan was accepted and also accept it's UN stance. I don't think its propaganda I think nations are now starting to realize what the real problem is....and that is Israel. I keep saying that Israel wants Palestine to react to these new homes being built
But if that's correct then I don't understand why Netanyahu wouldn't have just continued the attack into Gaza while he had the forces staged there.  Why demobilize and then look for a pretext to do it all again?  I'm well aware that you feel Israel is the whole problem here and I wonder what would you like to see as the resolution to the problem?

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 10:27 PM

Well if Israel is using someone elses land then I think they should pay Palestine for using that land. Or give Golan Heights to Palestine. Or stop sending loads of money


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Posted 04 December 2012 - 12:06 AM

Jewish Voice for Peace video on the decades old Israeli/Palestinian Conflict:




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Posted 04 December 2012 - 12:10 AM

Israel will continue to build in Jerusalem and anywhere considered to be in its strategic interest, Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu said in Jerusalem Sunday.


Read more: http://www.upi.com/T.../#ixzz2E2NhM4GT




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Posted 04 December 2012 - 12:34 AM

View PostWHO U KIDDIN, on 04 December 2012 - 12:06 AM, said:

Jewish Voice for Peace video on the decades old Israeli/Palestinian Conflict:


The best lies are always those with a healthy dose of truth blended in.  The first 60% or so of this video is spot on.  Then it slips into full propaganda mode of blaming Israel and overlooking Palestinian wrongs entirely.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 12:41 AM

View PostWHO U KIDDIN, on 04 December 2012 - 12:10 AM, said:

Israel will continue to build in Jerusalem and anywhere considered to be in its strategic interest, Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu said in Jerusalem Sunday.

Read more: http://www.upi.com/T.../#ixzz2E2NhM4GT

The Palestinian decision to take a unilateral route means to dismantle Oslo.  They can't have it both ways - yet they always try to - and expect Israel to sit idly while their propaganda campaign slowly undermines Israel's position in the world.  The supporters of the Palestinians truly do not grasp the end game or they are complicit with it.   Either way, it's not a game the Israelis have to play.  And this decision shows they have decided not to.
Who U Kiddin I'll try the question on you.  What land was Arafat trying to "liberate" in 1964?  At that time there were no settlements and Egypt controlled Gaza while Jordan controlled the WB.  So what land was he fighting to liberate?

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 12:45 AM

Why is there even a discussion? Everyone knows Bibi is doing this to spite the Palestinians, despite the nationwide and worldwide condemnation. Honestly, those elections can't come soon enough.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 02:17 AM

View Postand then, on 04 December 2012 - 12:41 AM, said:

The Palestinian decision to take a unilateral route means to dismantle Oslo.  They can't have it both ways - yet they always try to - and expect Israel to sit idly while their propaganda campaign slowly undermines Israel's position in the world.  The supporters of the Palestinians truly do not grasp the end game or they are complicit with it.   Either way, it's not a game the Israelis have to play.  And this decision shows they have decided not to.
Who U Kiddin I'll try the question on you.  What land was Arafat trying to "liberate" in 1964?  At that time there were no settlements and Egypt controlled Gaza while Jordan controlled the WB.  So what land was he fighting to liberate?

That’s an easy one Then in 1964 Arafat was fighting to liberate all of Palestine from the Zionists, including the areas called Israel. At that time Arafat did not see peace with the Israelis as a possibility, he did not even recognize Israel’s right as a state. Arafat wanted all of Palestine for the Arabs, just like the Zionists today want to create their vision of a Greater Israel from all the former British mandate territories.

They say with age comes wisdom and contrary to the old saying that ‘you can’t teach an old dog new tricks’ Arafat by 1988 in a speech at a special United Nations session held in Geneva, Switzerland, declared that the PLO renounced terrorism and supported "the right of all parties concerned in the Middle East conflict to live in peace and security, including the states of Palestine, Israel and other neighbors".

Contrary to your Faux News sources the PLO and Arafat didn’t drop the ball on Oslo. It was the continued expansion of settlements into the West Bank encouraged by the extremist ultra-national settlers movement and backed by Netanyahu’s Likud that broke ‘the spirit’ of the Oslo agreements. It drove both the PLO and Hamas to once again renew their “terrorist” attacks against the Israelis and by 2000 lead to the Second Intifada and the trashing of Oslo with mutual blessings for its demise from Netanyahu and his crowd.  





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Posted 04 December 2012 - 02:34 AM

So finally an answer.  Thank you.  Arafat never uttered those words to the Palestinians in Arabic.  He never stopped the teaching of hatred in the schools against Jews and he never missed an opportunity to play to his base talking about incrementally destroying Israel.  No maps of Palestine ever showed the boundaries of a State called Israel.  These are facts just as the things you stated are factual.  This is why this problem will, IMO, only be settled by a war of annihilation between these two entities.  The tide has turned against Israel, I think, and now the world seems to be getting on board with the idea of punishing them for their conduct.  While supporters of the Palestinians will no doubt feel vindicated and cheerful they are only continuing to delude themselves.  NO ONE is going to ever physically remove the Jews from their land again.  The only ways to accomplish it will be to have them move from some of it willingly for real peace. Or to annihilate them in battle.  For religious reasons I find the last to be impossible but a secular mind might see the futility of trying to over run a nuclear armed nation.  The people of Israel have not known a moment of peace since before they became a nation in '48.  They are a somewhat prosperous, well educated democracy and want the same things the rest of humanity in that category aspire to.  The Palestinians rejected any idea of a Jewish state in Palestine 65 years ago.  They continue to reject it today and they sense that with the help of the gullible in the West, they will achieve the destruction or at least terminal weakening of the Jewish state.  When the showdown finally occurs it's going to change the world for the worse - and it might have been avoided.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 03:00 AM

A war of annihilation allowing one side of the conflict to destroy the other will solve nothing for the following reasons..
  • The rest of the world would view the "Victor" as a dangerous antagonist which will perpetuate future conflicts and excommunications in world bodies, nations who supported the defeated side would not allow such a victory of one side over the other to "Go unpunished".
  • In the global society the "Victor's" would be attacked by supporters & survivors of the annihilation in other countries, which would lead to expulsions, deportations or even criminal imprisonment.

IMO, annihilation is not the answer as it will only serve to take a middle-east sandpit squabble and make it a global war..





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