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#1    ZaraKitty

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 03:34 AM

Hello UM, I would like to hear your opinions for and against legal euthanasia in extreme cases, e.g terminal illness or where the human may no longer use their body or something that makes them want to die.

Personally, I'm all for assisted suicide for the ones who need it. I would rather take a pill to die if I had terminal cancer than die slowly in agony for weeks.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 04:04 AM

I tend to agree, that if someone wants to end it, and has a actual reason, other then "I'm depressed", or "My boyfriend left", it should be allowed.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 06:04 AM

I think they should be allowed to die, especially If there suffering, sometimes DEATH is better

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 06:24 AM

As long as it is not forced on somebody else but out of one's own personal choice then feel free(But be sure to keep the mess to a minimum please). The whole a fate worse then death comes to mind.


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Posted 03 December 2012 - 07:25 AM

I also agree.

Especially in the case of a terminal illness associated with a LOT of pain(I've known several who truly suffered an agonizing death from various terminal cancers that totally put them in horrible pain.) Even prescribed morphine provided little relief.

I also know of one personal friend( a women) who had terminal throat cancer, and even with very high doses of morphine, her brother said that she screamed(as best she could) from unbearable pain just before she died.

Edited by pallidin, 03 December 2012 - 07:27 AM.


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Posted 03 December 2012 - 08:01 AM

It's a very difficult topic.
Ppl discussing it usually also forget the other side of the problem: Who is going to execute the euthanasia and how will this person cope with this event? It can be extremely traumatic for a physician to have offered this "service". Psychological guidance has to be available for her/him also.
Doctors take the oath to do anything but kill ppl, euthanasia goes against what they stand for. Except for putting a stop to suffering of course. But how do you constitute suffering and how can you draw the line. Can a physician or patient ever be absolutely sure that if they allow the person to die that a medicine won't be discovered that same week? How do you deal with that uncertainty?
It's opening a floodgate, if someone is allowed to die because the suffering is simply inhumane...then what about a teenager who is being bullied to a severe degree and doesn't see the light at the end of the tunnel.
I know most ppl can see this is not the same degree, but for the law and for the ppl experiencing it is a very real question that then needs to be addressed.


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Posted 03 December 2012 - 08:13 AM

View PostRender, on 03 December 2012 - 08:01 AM, said:

It's a very difficult topic.
... Except for putting a stop to suffering of course...

Truly, it is a difficult topic. I do agree.
All I know is what I have seen or been made aware of through friends.

You mentioned the possibilty of holding-on for a few weeks(or months) in the hope of a new cure.
This simply does not happen with stage 4 terminal patients. They don't usually have that much time.

EDIT: I'm not talking about stage1-2, which can "sometimes" be very successfully treated.
Early diagnosis is key.

Edited by pallidin, 03 December 2012 - 08:21 AM.


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Posted 03 December 2012 - 08:27 AM

I would like to add:

As far as "morality goes, if I had both my legs blown-off, my lungs punctured by bullets, and half my brain blown apart, and I was screaming in pain, I would hope my "friends" would be compassionate enough to put a bullet in what's left of my head so that I would not suffer anymore.

Edited by pallidin, 03 December 2012 - 08:28 AM.


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Posted 03 December 2012 - 08:39 AM

The idea of letting somebody die a slow lingering death when they want to end it quickly and people not giving in to that wish sickens me. I could do it easily. I'd do it for you Pallidin. I honestly think it takes a weak and selfish person not to.

Doesn't the modern Hippocratic Oath even mention that they might have to take a life?


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Posted 03 December 2012 - 08:45 AM

View PostJinxdom, on 03 December 2012 - 08:39 AM, said:

The idea of letting somebody die a slow lingering death when they want to end it quickly and people not giving in to that wish sickens me. I could do it easily. I'd do it for you Pallidin. I honestly think it takes a weak and selfish person not to.

Doesn't the modern Hippocratic Oath even mention that they might have to take a life?

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 11:23 AM

We put animals out of their misery. If it's your wish that you die with some dignity and a doctor agrees to help you, what's the problem?


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Posted 03 December 2012 - 05:39 PM

I'm all for euthanasia, suicide or whatever someone wants to do with their life. I have an illness which causes me great pain and misery some days and I feel in my heart that when it gets too much to cope with and I feel like a burden, I will do something about it, assisted or not. I'm really ok with that. Life is about quality not quantity surely?


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Posted 03 December 2012 - 07:01 PM

I would do it in a heartbeat...
Providing I get consent from the person suffering.
Dogs,cats and other domestic pets get put to sleep at the vets.
Horses get shot after breaking their legs after a bad tumble.
^^^ This is considered humane to put the animal out of it's misery.
You can easily transfer this logic to humans.
However it's considered taboo to even think about it.
Btw if I was the one in agony I will tell somebody to pass the pills and the absinthe.
If they carry out my order that's entirely up to them if they can live with the consequences.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 07:37 PM

I agree for the right cases.

I just do not trust government and doctors enough to discern a reasonable case from a stupid one.

Edited by Kazoo, 03 December 2012 - 08:31 PM.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 09:28 PM

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