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#31    HawkLord

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 07:06 PM

It is entirely possible in my opinion that he has repressed his homosexuality for so long that after being told all his life that it is a sin that he simply created the 'demon' in his own subconscious. This so called 'demon' could then be blamed for his acting out of his homosexual proclivities. Its just sad that such twisted thinking still goes on in this day and age.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 07:06 PM

View PostRlyeh, on 04 December 2012 - 06:58 PM, said:

Perhaps you'd like you explain who is accusing exorcists of fraud?

I am. There are plenty of exorcist that are, it seems almost like show business to me.

But that doesn't explain every case away, no way of judging if this is authentic (a mental break in the possessed following a cultural script) or a fraud just by watching a video.


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Posted 04 December 2012 - 07:08 PM

View PostHawkLord, on 04 December 2012 - 07:06 PM, said:

It is entirely possible in my opinion that he has repressed his homosexuality for so long that after being told all his life that it is a sin that he simply created the 'demon' in his own subconscious. This so called 'demon' could then be blamed for his acting out of his homosexual proclivities. Its just sad that such twisted thinking still goes on in this day and age.

Exactly.

Very sad indeed.


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Posted 04 December 2012 - 07:37 PM

'Authentic' or not (and by 'authentic' I'm following IBY's definition for this) I see no usefulness behind such pageantry if only to exacerbate this persons suffering instead of actually coming to terms with his actual problem. Any 'religious' way of treating or curing anything should have to go through the same processes as any others.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 08:44 PM

It's obvious the guy was never gay, just look how he is dressed and those eyebrows could use a trim. Any gay man making a tv appearance would buy some new clothes.

Made me laugh. Thanks bling.

He needs to take some acting lessons too.

Only in America.

Edited by with bells on, 04 December 2012 - 08:44 PM.


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Posted 04 December 2012 - 08:55 PM

Am afraid to watch the video.  Do they give each other the willies?  (I'm at my dinner)


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Posted 04 December 2012 - 09:50 PM

I'm sorry to all my redneck friends for saying this. But those are the two words that came to mind as I watched this. "redneck theater". :)

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 10:20 PM

i got through about fifteen seconds of that video before i shut it off in eye rolling disgust
who hired that guy for the part? red green??

Edited by JGirl, 04 December 2012 - 10:21 PM.


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Posted 04 December 2012 - 10:41 PM

View PostI believe you, on 04 December 2012 - 06:55 PM, said:

I don't find some opinions enlightening themselves.

No one truly has a right to say what cultural practices belong in this world or not except those within those very cultures. Only from the inside can culture legitimately be changed. Not through a colonialist mindset of dictating that other societies and segments of our society should do things exactly as we do when we had our our chance to grow, have internal debates, change, and so forth. Others must be allowed this.

Boiling things down to fanatics, brainwashing, and other stereotypical antireligious accusation is a very simplistic approach.

Opinions that shade these people as wrong, are opinions which are wrong themselves. I agree they do need to change and there is plenty of suffering. Encouraging that change and understanding them is better than just ridiculing them, that doesn't help. And it doesn't matter if someone spent a few years in such a place and ran away, they are no longer part of the culture and cannot effectively change it from the outside.

Slow down.

Doesnt this guy believe himself that he's possessed? If thats the case then surely its his right to request an exocism. Trying to force a gay lifestyle on him is as bad as people trying to force correction on him.

Its his choice and we must respect his decision.


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Posted 04 December 2012 - 11:17 PM

View PostMr Right Wing, on 04 December 2012 - 10:41 PM, said:

Slow down.

Doesnt this guy believe himself that he's possessed? If thats the case then surely its his right to request an exocism. Trying to force a gay lifestyle on him is as bad as people trying to force correction on him.

Its his choice and we must respect his decision.

To quote you: slow down.

Why does this man think he's possessed? Because a preacher has told him he is, because he's been convinced he is. Preacher's that do that are lying to people and they are causing deep spiritual and psychological harm. Any sense of a 'demon' is entirely down to that preacher. He didn't come to this conclusion on his own.

There's this thing called a self fulfilling prophecy and I think stuff like this is just that. People get told over and over there's something wrong with them and they start to believe it, which leads to negative outcomes.

Personally I have a massive problem with these people. they have no problem deeply harming others and they get away with it. I don't think they should be able to. I just wonder how many people have to suffer for something to be done.

His choice was made under a completely false premise, which makes it hard to respect. I feel sorry for him and others like him, because you know what? All these things do is harm them and make them throw away their true self.

Edited by shadowhive, 04 December 2012 - 11:19 PM.

So just take off that disguise, everyone knows that you're only, pretty on the outside
We'll just keep on trying till we run out of cake
No one can tell you who you are
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Posted 04 December 2012 - 11:23 PM

View PostI believe you, on 04 December 2012 - 06:55 PM, said:

I don't find some opinions enlightening themselves.

No one truly has a right to say what cultural practices belong in this world or not except those within those very cultures. Only from the inside can culture legitimately be changed. Not through a colonialist mindset of dictating that other societies and segments of our society should do things exactly as we do when we had our our chance to grow, have internal debates, change, and so forth. Others must be allowed this.

Boiling things down to fanatics, brainwashing, and other stereotypical antireligious accusation is a very simplistic approach.

Opinions that shade these people as wrong, are opinions which are wrong themselves. I agree they do need to change and there is plenty of suffering. Encouraging that change and understanding them is better than just ridiculing them, that doesn't help. And it doesn't matter if someone spent a few years in such a place and ran away, they are no longer part of the culture and cannot effectively change it from the outside.

'Understanding' is all well and good, but sometimes we have to just say 'no'. If a parent comes from a cultural that says it's an acceptable form of punishment to break his kid's arm would you just let him? Would you try and understand, or would you report him to the authorities for child abuse? Sometimes you havve to call a snake and snake and not make any excuses for it.

So just take off that disguise, everyone knows that you're only, pretty on the outside
We'll just keep on trying till we run out of cake
No one can tell you who you are
"There's the trouble with fanatics. They're easy to manipulate, but somehow they take everything five steps too far."
"The circumstances of one's birth are irrelevent, it's what you do with the gift of life that determines who you are."

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 11:25 PM

View Postshadowhive, on 04 December 2012 - 11:17 PM, said:

To quote you: slow down.

Why does this man think he's possessed? Because a preacher has told him he is, because he's been convinced he is. Preacher's that do that are lying to people and they are causing deep spiritual and psychological harm. Any sense of a 'demon' is entirely down to that preacher. He didn't come to this conclusion on his own.

There's this thing called a self fulfilling prophecy and I think stuff like this is just that. People get told over and over there's something wrong with them and they start to believe it, which leads to negative outcomes.

Personally I have a massive problem with these people. they have no problem deeply harming others and they get away with it. I don't think they should be able to. I just wonder how many people have to suffer for something to be done.

His choice was made under a completely false premise, which makes it hard to respect. I feel sorry for him and others like him, because you know what? All these things do is harm them and make them throw away their true self.

I cannot accept that a grown man can't think for himself.

The assumption that a big, nasty, brain-washing preacher has convinced him of this is ludicrus. Its the same as someone who is anti-gay being told religion has brain-washed them. The thing thats missing from your argument is the person logically questioning and deciding what they think themselves.

Edited by Mr Right Wing, 04 December 2012 - 11:28 PM.


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Posted 04 December 2012 - 11:31 PM

View PostMr Right Wing, on 04 December 2012 - 11:25 PM, said:

I cannot accept that a grown man can't think for himself.

The assumption that a big, nasty, brain-washing preacher has convinced him of this is ludicrus.

I'm not saying he couldn't think for himself.

What I am saying is that gay people are a vulnerable group, prone to manipulation by (as you put it) 'big, nasty brain washing preachers'. But would it just be coming from the preacher? Nope. It would be compounded by the congregation, friends and family. The pressure from all those people, people that matter to him, would have a very big impact. It has happened many, many times. It's sad, it's unfortunate and it really shouldn't happen in this day and age.

Edited by shadowhive, 04 December 2012 - 11:32 PM.

So just take off that disguise, everyone knows that you're only, pretty on the outside
We'll just keep on trying till we run out of cake
No one can tell you who you are
"There's the trouble with fanatics. They're easy to manipulate, but somehow they take everything five steps too far."
"The circumstances of one's birth are irrelevent, it's what you do with the gift of life that determines who you are."

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 11:36 PM

View PostMr Right Wing, on 04 December 2012 - 11:25 PM, said:

Its the same as someone who is anti-gay being told religion has brain-washed them. The thing thats missing from your argument is the person logically questioning and deciding what they think themselves.

When it comes to religion, logically questioning and deciding what to think tends to be discoouraged.

So just take off that disguise, everyone knows that you're only, pretty on the outside
We'll just keep on trying till we run out of cake
No one can tell you who you are
"There's the trouble with fanatics. They're easy to manipulate, but somehow they take everything five steps too far."
"The circumstances of one's birth are irrelevent, it's what you do with the gift of life that determines who you are."

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 11:40 PM

View Postshadowhive, on 04 December 2012 - 11:31 PM, said:

I'm not saying he couldn't think for himself.

What I am saying is that gay people are a vulnerable group, prone to manipulation by (as you put it) 'big, nasty brain washing preachers'. But would it just be coming from the preacher? Nope. It would be compounded by the congregation, friends and family. The pressure from all those peole, people that matter to him, would have a very big impact. It has happened many, many times.

I think the guy must either be delusional (seeing demons) or maybe a demon really is possessing him.

View Postshadowhive, on 04 December 2012 - 11:36 PM, said:

When it comes to religion, logically questioning and deciding what to think tends to be discoouraged.

It depends on the religion.

Many arent faith based but are philosophically based.





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