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Posted 05 December 2012 - 02:18 AM

http://www.latimes.c...0,1223392.story

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 02:09 AM

I am a Turk, live in Turkey. For one hundred years Turkey has been backing the wrong horse. After Ottoman fell we were deceived by compradors of imperialist landlords and we had to slave to U.S. and Nato allies. Our real friendly nations are Greece, Iran and Russia. But because of profits of global dominant powers and fake political reasons, we crossed swords with these countries.In fact, we are belong to middle east and around there, not Europe or Nato. Thanks to wishy washy governors and their collaborators the fate of my country was ****ed up.
The history never will forgive those curs!


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Posted 07 December 2012 - 03:35 AM

I agree. The US curs have given Turkey Billions of dollars in foriegn aid in just the last few years alone. We should not have. In fact, I am going to write my Reps and demand we stop. I'm sure that Greece, Iran and Russia can pick up the slack.

When you get back with the "middle east" with "whom you belong to" you will continue to enjoy your standard of living with your beer & music. Then the fate of your country won't be so ****ed up.

You're welcome.


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Posted 07 December 2012 - 09:02 AM

View PostMuzzybluezzy, on 07 December 2012 - 02:09 AM, said:

I am a Turk, live in Turkey. For one hundred years Turkey has been backing the wrong horse. After Ottoman fell we were deceived by compradors of imperialist landlords and we had to slave to U.S. and Nato allies. Our real friendly nations are Greece, Iran and Russia. But because of profits of global dominant powers and fake political reasons, we crossed swords with these countries.In fact, we are belong to middle east and around there, not Europe or Nato. Thanks to wishy washy governors and their collaborators the fate of my country was ****ed up.
The history never will forgive those curs!
I was under the impression the Turks belonged only to themselves.  And if you think that Turkey would have been better off without the reforms of Attaturk I think you are not giving history it's due consideration, but it's your opinion to hold as you like.

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 01:16 PM

View Postand then, on 07 December 2012 - 09:02 AM, said:

I was under the impression the Turks belonged only to themselves.  And if you think that Turkey would have been better off without the reforms of Attaturk I think you are not giving history it's due consideration, but it's your opinion to hold as you like.

as personal I am someone that is gnostic and communalist (I wanted to say that because some ignorant turks presume me as bigoted religionist, no such thing bull****!) and I never can take that my country serves imperialists and their dirty goals.

After turkish war of independence against greeks (in fact the English provoked greeks to attack anatolia) Attaturk guaranteed to conserve benefits of imperialists, deported all members of Ottoman, built up his domination, and created the country named Turkey. Attaturk was one of supporters of imperialism and after he won turkish war of independence, he applied the rules of imperialists, in line with benefits of imperialist western civilization, under cover of revolution, he changed his country's alphabet, clothes..and so on and under name of modern turkey he created a freak of nature.

Turkey exactly like Israel, is one of middle east countries that are tools of imperialism. Throughout years these countries (also plus others, especially greece, egypt (israel-egypt war occured because of philistine, whenas israel and egypt never were rival countries) and until 80s Iran) just aimed at something: It is blocking that Soviets reach mediterranean sea and oil sources of arabs. After split of Soviet Union Turkey and Israel lost their important roles. Today, Kissinger said about Israel: "In 10 years, there will be no more Israel" and a whole lot of western sources mention that Turkey borders will be changed anymore.

In fact by imperialist landlords Turkey was founded as a country against The Soviet Union. Today, global dominant powers exploit Syrian civil war to change Turkey’s borders and they encourage Turkey to enter the war in Syria. If Turkey fights with Syria, they plan that borders of Turkey bound again at end of regional war, but if Turkey does not fight with Syria, this time President Erdogan will lose his power, I think this condition makes it all the more weird. Because nineties of Turkey were planned as a transition period to the big middle east project and in 2000s Erdogan and his party were put into power for imperialists’ the big middle east project (libya, syria, iran operations..and so on).

Back in the day, if Turkey had been a socialist state, Turkey would have joined The Soviet Union.
If only we joined Soviet Union , everything would be very different.  But unfortunately because of imperialists and their fascist collaborators we lost this opportunity and today sadly we became a  country of ignorant religionists and nationalists,  came out as a poor quality country that is lackey of USA and NATO.


In short; the fate of my country was really ****ed up!
that's about it!

View PostDan, on 07 December 2012 - 03:35 AM, said:

I agree. The US curs have given Turkey Billions of dollars in foriegn aid in just the last few years alone. We should not have. In fact, I am going to write my Reps and demand we stop. I'm sure that Greece, Iran and Russia can pick up the slack. When you get back with the "middle east" with "whom you belong to" you will continue to enjoy your standard of living with your beer & music. Then the fate of your country won't be so ****ed up.
You're welcome.

you're racist!
Beer does not have any country and music is the universal language of mankind. You cannot judge me with those. As to your thoughts, I think you don't like to talk facts.


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Posted 07 December 2012 - 02:09 PM

Merhaba Arkadash. Please do not call Dan a racist. I read his posts since a long time now and I can assure you his usualy spot on regardles of background. You guys have to thank a lot to Attaturk. It is a shame what you are writing about him.


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Posted 07 December 2012 - 03:48 PM

View PostMuzzybluezzy, on 07 December 2012 - 01:16 PM, said:

you're racist!
Beer does not have any country and music is the universal language of mankind. You cannot judge me with those. As to your thoughts, I think you don't like to talk facts.


Thanks. I'm aware of alcohol and music's global influence. Obviously the comments hit some sort of nerve with you hypocritically playing the race card. You are the one that started with distancing yourself from one group for another.


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Posted 07 December 2012 - 03:49 PM

Thanks Odas, I love all people. I actually have a prayer rug from Turkey too. I hope it works out for everyone.


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Posted 07 December 2012 - 04:00 PM

View Postodas, on 07 December 2012 - 02:09 PM, said:

Merhaba Arkadash.
You guys have to thank a lot to Attaturk. It is a shame what you are writing about him.

merhaba :)

I disagree, I don't have any shame (because I like to tell the truth) and I don't obey the popular history that is written by liar imperialists. People that should be ashamed are the people that created Turkey of today (all of them!). This is the last message from me for this thread.
regards.
muzzybluezzy

Edited by Muzzybluezzy, 07 December 2012 - 04:05 PM.


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Posted 07 December 2012 - 04:03 PM

Muzzy sounds like he's against foreign intervention into the internal affairs of Turkey, and I agree with that sentiment wholeheartedly, for him and me both.    How hard it would be to overlook such a thing if it were happening to us!  

I wish more Turks would open their eyes and free themselves from foreign bondage.  But no, most Turks want Turkish membership in the EU,  i.e. more bondage, with benefits.  Like socialized BDSM, and not apologizing for the Armenian genocide.

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 05:43 PM

Greeks and Turks are true friends? ...since when?

War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things: the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth a war, is much worse...A man who has nothing which he is willing to fight for, nothing which he cares more about than he does about his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 08:34 PM

View PostYamato, on 07 December 2012 - 04:03 PM, said:

Muzzy sounds like he's against foreign intervention into the internal affairs of Turkey, and I agree with that sentiment wholeheartedly, for him and me both. How hard it would be to overlook such a thing if it were happening to us!  

I wish more Turks would open their eyes and free themselves from foreign bondage.  But no, most Turks want Turkish membership in the EU,  i.e. more bondage, with benefits.  Like socialized BDSM, and not apologizing for the Armenian genocide.
I was under the impression that the Turks had mostly given up the EU bid and were swinging east toward Iran and the Islamic States instead.

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 09:22 PM

I wonder what benefits that bondage would give.

War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things: the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth a war, is much worse...A man who has nothing which he is willing to fight for, nothing which he cares more about than he does about his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 11:36 PM

View PostMuzzybluezzy, on 07 December 2012 - 01:16 PM, said:

Attaturk guaranteed to conserve benefits of imperialists, deported all members of Ottoman, built up his domination, and created the country named Turkey. Attaturk was one of supporters of imperialism and after he won turkish war of independence, he applied the rules of imperialists, in line with benefits of imperialist western civilization, under cover of revolution, he changed his country's alphabet, clothes..and so on and under name of modern turkey he created a freak of nature.

What would have been your alternative Turkey?  After all, most Turks want to be part of the "imperialist" EU.

View PostMuzzybluezzy, on 07 December 2012 - 01:16 PM, said:

Whenas israel and egypt never were rival countries) and until 80s Iran) just aimed at something: It is blocking that Soviets reach mediterranean sea and oil sources of arabs. After split of Soviet Union Turkey and Israel lost their important roles. Today, Kissinger said about Israel: "In 10 years, there will be no more Israel" and a whole lot of western sources mention that Turkey borders will be changed anymore.

Well Israel didn't even exist until the end of WWII and Egypt were against the creation of Israel from the start.  They only accepted it's existence after Camp David.  Turkey and Israel lost their important roles?  I don't think so.  Have you got a source where it's says Turkey's borders will change?

View PostMuzzybluezzy, on 07 December 2012 - 01:16 PM, said:

In fact by imperialist landlords Turkey was founded as a country against The Soviet Union.

It was the Ottoman's Empire "imperialistic" ambitions that caused them to side with the Germans and the Asburghs during WWI. They lost and Turkey was created.  Turks can only blame themselves.

View PostMuzzybluezzy, on 07 December 2012 - 01:16 PM, said:

Today, global dominant powers exploit Syrian civil war to change Turkey’s borders and they encourage Turkey to enter the war in Syria.
If Turkey fights with Syria, they plan that borders of Turkey bound again at end of regional war, but if Turkey does not fight with Syria, this time President Erdogan will lose his power, I think this condition makes it all the more weird.

I was under the impression western powers wanted to stay out of the civil war in Syria?  My gut feeling but probably because there's no oil there.  So I'm not sure anyone's trying to exploit anything there.
I was also under the impression that Turks may have been pleased to receive the "extra protection" from NATO?


View PostMuzzybluezzy, on 07 December 2012 - 01:16 PM, said:

Because nineties of Turkey were planned as a transition period to the big middle east project and in 2000s Erdogan and his party were put into power for imperialists’ the big middle east project (libya, syria, iran operations..and so on).


Really, Turks want to be part of the ME, instead of Europe??!  It's going to be hard to convince anyone of this.

View PostMuzzybluezzy, on 07 December 2012 - 01:16 PM, said:

Back in the day, if Turkey had been a socialist state, Turkey would have joined The Soviet Union.
If only we joined Soviet Union , everything would be very different.  But unfortunately because of imperialists and their fascist collaborators we lost this opportunity and today sadly we became a  country of ignorant religionists and nationalists,  came out as a poor quality country that is lackey of USA and NATO.

I suppose having commie ideals is ones choice but you've got to be realistic as well.  Look at what happened to the Soviet Union.  Look at how China has ended up and what the hypocrates at the head of the Communist Party are doing?  Look at how malnourished the North Korean population is?

View PostMuzzybluezzy, on 07 December 2012 - 01:16 PM, said:

In short; the fate of my country was really ****ed up!
that's about it!


It will be ****ed up if it doesn't join the EU.  The ME or becoming a Communist regime isn't the answer IMO.

Edited by BlackRedLittleDevil, 07 December 2012 - 11:39 PM.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 01:09 AM

View PostCorp, on 07 December 2012 - 09:22 PM, said:

I wonder what benefits that bondage would give.

Depends. But it must be sanctioned by God apparently.

I wonder if Yam actually thinks not apologising for a blatant genocide is a good thing.

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