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[DieChecker]

The Silver Thong, on 14 December 2012 - 05:56 AM, said:

so military spending means nothing as the fiscal cliff looms and you want trillions of dollars of clones to watch american citicizans. Ummm

No. I'm saying it will never come that that, due to financial reasons. The financial budget will not allow spying on anyone without some sort of reason.

I'm not saying this Could Not be abused, because it surely could, just as police dash cams, phone taps and traces, and other forms of surveilance could be misused. But fear of someone misusing a ATM camera should not require the removal of all these cameras. Millions of times more crimes are prevented by such cameras as apposed with crimes commited by them.

[DieChecker]

The Silver Thong, on 14 December 2012 - 05:58 AM, said:

Like the african bee just a few could do no harm


Grow a set before the world has to pay for the great US blunder.

What the heck. Are drones going to get loose and breed in the Wild? How is an invasive species comparable to a mechaical device?

[DieChecker]

The Silver Thong, on 14 December 2012 - 06:02 AM, said:

man your constitution has been raped front and back.  Might as well say you don`t have one.


you can do better than that

If that is the worry, it was killed like 100 years ago. There are dozens of other issues that are ten... twenty times more damaging to constitutional rights.

It only takes computers to monitor emails, texts, and cell calls of everyone all the time. While the drones are person, location and time specific.

[The Silver Thong]

DieChecker, on 14 December 2012 - 06:05 AM, said:

No. I'm saying it will never come that that, due to financial reasons. The financial budget will not allow spying on anyone without some sort of reason.

I'm not saying this Could Not be abused, because it surely could, just as police dash cams, phone taps and traces, and other forms of surveilance could be misused. But fear of someone misusing a ATM camera should not require the removal of all these cameras. Millions of times more crimes are prevented by such cameras as apposed with crimes commited by them.

so you mean cameas catching crimes not potential crimes from drones that have a what set pattern and what are they looking for, car acccidients.  Hey if you like like drones looking over your shoulder and your not a crook so be it. However this is what I would call a gateway drug.

[The Silver Thong]

DieChecker, on 14 December 2012 - 06:09 AM, said:

If that is the worry, it was killed like 100 years ago. There are dozens of other issues that are ten... twenty times more damaging to constitutional rights.

It only takes computers to monitor emails, texts, and cell calls of everyone all the time. While the drones are person, location and time specific.

so you agree the US constitution is now tp.

[The Silver Thong]

DieChecker, on 14 December 2012 - 06:06 AM, said:

What the heck. Are drones going to get loose and breed in the Wild? How is an invasive species comparable to a mechaical device?

no they will be let loose by a government that scares the people into thinking they are needed. So yes they will breed as you put it.

[DieChecker]

The Silver Thong, on 14 December 2012 - 06:17 AM, said:

so you mean cameas catching crimes not potential crimes from drones that have a what set pattern and what are they looking for, car acccidients.  Hey if you like like drones looking over your shoulder and your not a crook so be it. However this is what I would call a gateway drug.

That is possible.

But lots of "gateway" drugs are actually useful prescriptions.

[DieChecker]

The Silver Thong, on 14 December 2012 - 06:18 AM, said:

so you agree the US constitution is now tp.

I agree that the government the US has today is not operating solely off the Constitution. They've taken a lot of powers for themselves and the population has let them. Mostly for the better in my opinion.

[The Silver Thong]

DieChecker, on 14 December 2012 - 06:47 AM, said:

That is possible.

But lots of "gateway" drugs are actually useful prescriptions.

Name one.  Homeland security, the war against drugs, the cia the fbi atf not one hase done a thing but allow what they are ment to prevent.


Jumped the gun DieChecker sorry I do see us having some common ground.

Edited by The Silver Thong, 14 December 2012 - 06:53 AM.

[DieChecker]

The Silver Thong, on 14 December 2012 - 06:20 AM, said:

no they will be let loose by a government that scares the people into thinking they are needed. So yes they will breed as you put it.

Well that is possible. I just don't think it likely unless you subscribe to the whole Military Industrial Complex and Secret Government conspiricies. For drones to equal INSTITUTIONAL abuse, there would have to be a bunch of secret oligarchs who run the country by select manipulation of the Fed, the Military, the Education system, the Stock Markets, the President, the Congress, the Media, the Supreme Court, the Internet, and almost all the leaders of all other nations.

Edited by DieChecker, 14 December 2012 - 06:59 AM.

[DieChecker]

The Silver Thong, on 14 December 2012 - 06:51 AM, said:

Name one.  Homeland security, the war against drugs, the cia the fbi atf not one hase done a thing but allow what they are ment to prevent.

Jumped the gun DieChecker sorry I do see us having some common ground.

I think for every Media sideshow that shows the CIA, FBI, ATF in a bad light, there are hundreds or thousands of activities that they complete and show real positive results. These things don't make the national news, but they sometimes are in local news (if they were local), if you listen.

[The Silver Thong]

DieChecker, on 14 December 2012 - 06:53 AM, said:

Well that is possible. I just don't think it likely unless you subscribe to the whole Military Industrial Complex and Secret Government conspiricies. For drones to equal abuse, there would have to be a bunch of secret oligarchs who run the country by select manipulation of the Fed, the Military, the Educaion system, the Stock Markets, the President, the Congress, the Media, the Supreme Court, the Internet, and almost all the leaders of all other nations.

the whole Military Industrial Complex


that is exactly what is bringing down the US my friend.

[DieChecker]

The Silver Thong, on 14 December 2012 - 07:00 AM, said:

the whole Military Industrial Complex


that is exactly what is bringing down the US my friend.

There you go. I personnally don't believe in the Military Industrial Complex Boogieman. I do believe that the military and their contractors hold a lot of power and that they influence the President, but I don't beleive in some Illuminati council, with a hundred year plan, controlling all of it.

[Michelle]

DieChecker, on 14 December 2012 - 06:05 AM, said:

No. I'm saying it will never come that that, due to financial reasons. The financial budget will not allow spying on anyone without some sort of reason.

I'm not saying this Could Not be abused, because it surely could, just as police dash cams, phone taps and traces, and other forms of surveilance could be misused. But fear of someone misusing a ATM camera should not require the removal of all these cameras. Millions of times more crimes are prevented by such cameras as apposed with crimes commited by them.

I can't believe you don't get this. I can tolerate camara's in public, but an ATM camara isn't going to follow you home. It isn't going to be looking into your back yard. Phone taps and traces shouldn't be tolerated unless they have a warrent. What happened to innocent until proven guilty?

We've been cleared, by the military, for my Pakistani, Lebanese, Greek and Arab friends etc, but who is to say they wouldn't keep an eye on me, just in case?

Edited by Michelle, 14 December 2012 - 07:11 AM.

[DieChecker]

Michelle, on 14 December 2012 - 07:08 AM, said:

I can't believe you don't get this. I can tolerate camara's in public, but an ATM camara isn't going to follow you home. It isn't going to be looking into your back yard. Phone taps and traces shouldn't be tolerated unless they have a warrent. What happened to innocent until proven guilty?

We've been cleared, by the military, for my Pakistani, Lebanese, Greek and Arab friends etc, but who is to say they wouldn't keep an eye on me, just in case?

Maybe they would and maybe that would be justified and maybe it is a waste of time. But, in reality how many people could they follow? How long would they follow you?

If they decided to follow you, it would not be at random.