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How Did the Oracle at Delphi Really Prophesy?

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#16    kmt_sesh

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 06:41 AM

View PostDracos Nightwolf, on 08 March 2013 - 05:16 AM, said:

I like how no one here is actually addressing the issue... You are all just looking for a rational way that the oracle went into a altered state, but are flat out ignoring the fact that she could give true answers..

I'm not saying that she wasn't stoned off her ass... But the fact that she was able to divine answers that were reliable (at least far more often than not)... Even if it wasn't 100% accurate, it was still more than chance would say that she could get right.

Lets face it, you can smoke/drink/eat/snort almost anything, get ****ed up, and start trying to tell the future... But what percent of what would come out your mouth would be right? But at Delphi, she was right enough that she was considered reliable...


The old idea of gas seepage is not well accepted by most academics and is mostly entertaining fodder for TV specials (like in the good old days when the History Channel used to have programs about history instead of redneck swamp dwellers).

But the oracular divinations preserved in ancient writings reveal prophecies so vague as to be generic. All of them could be interpreted in numerous ways. Let's review a couple of the most famous.

Croesus and the Persians
Croesus, king of Lydia, went to Delphi to see if he should take on the advancing Persians. His oracle: "If you cross the Halys River, a great empire will be destroyed." Naturally Croesus believed it meant that he would destroy Persia, but the story works great for the Greek mind because they were all about hubris. As it turned out, it was Croesus' empire that was destroyed.

Athens and the Persians
As the Persians under Xerxes were approaching Greece, an Athenian delegation went to Delphi to ask for advice. Their oracle: "Athens will be saved by her wooden walls." Some felt this meant the wooden palisade on the Acropolis, so numerous Athenians remained in the city and took up arms on the Acropolis as Persia invaded the city. Themistocles argued that it was a reference to Athens' great naval fleet, and most sided with him. The Athenians on the Acropolis were slaughtered, while the fleet under Themistocles defeated the Persian navy and sent Xerxes packing.

In both cases, the divinations could be taken more than one way. They were sure to please at least a lot of people—who only wanted to be told what they wanted to hear. It's human nature. In all probability, the priests of Delphi who "interpreted" the mumble-talk of the Pythia in "commune" with Apollo, were hedging their bets and striving to remain as generic as possible. They needed to earn a living, after all.

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 05:20 PM

View PostHarte, on 08 March 2013 - 01:22 PM, said:

Please provide us with evidence that any predictions from Delphi were actually true.

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You know, Oedipus wanted that proof the oracle at Delphi was true, too. Didn't work out so well for him.

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 01:48 PM

According to the Greek mythology there were some kind of fumes in the Oracle of Delphi – which could have been of course just incense. We do not know what kind of fumes it was, which makes the fumes theory a hypothesis at the moment.

In my opinion it wasn't just that. Greek mythology mentions secrete weapons and an entrance to the center of the Earth. Which probably explains why the Nazi’s in the Second World War made a secret underground tunnel (complete with a metallic structure, ladders and lights) under Delphi searching for something. It is known that the Nazi’s searched for relics all over the world, which means that they had found something under Delphi – and no one knows what this was. I have personally been to that tunnel in Delphi, which is now only known to a very few old people who lived during the Second World War - and soon will become a legend.

You cannot go at the end of the tunnel because you need diving equipment at some point. Maybe during a specific time of the year it is not flooded. Who knows!

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 11:16 PM

The Nazis.... noted practioners of sane policy and logical research.

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 01:04 AM

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The old idea of gas seepage is not well accepted by most academics and is mostly entertaining fodder for TV specials (like in the good old days when the History Channel used to have programs about history instead of redneck swamp dwellers).

But the oracular divinations preserved in ancient writings reveal prophecies so vague as to be generic. All of them could be interpreted in numerous ways. Let's review a couple of the most famous.

Croesus and the Persians
Croesus, king of Lydia, went to Delphi to see if he should take on the advancing Persians. His oracle: "If you cross the Halys River, a great empire will be destroyed." Naturally Croesus believed it meant that he would destroy Persia, but the story works great for the Greek mind because they were all about hubris. As it turned out, it was Croesus' empire that was destroyed.

Athens and the Persians
As the Persians under Xerxes were approaching Greece, an Athenian delegation went to Delphi to ask for advice. Their oracle: "Athens will be saved by her wooden walls." Some felt this meant the wooden palisade on the Acropolis, so numerous Athenians remained in the city and took up arms on the Acropolis as Persia invaded the city. Themistocles argued that it was a reference to Athens' great naval fleet, and most sided with him. The Athenians on the Acropolis were slaughtered, while the fleet under Themistocles defeated the Persian navy and sent Xerxes packing.

In both cases, the divinations could be taken more than one way. They were sure to please at least a lot of people—who only wanted to be told what they wanted to hear. It's human nature. In all probability, the priests of Delphi who "interpreted" the mumble-talk of the Pythia in "commune" with Apollo, were hedging their bets and striving to remain as generic as possible. They needed to earn a living, after all.
You do us a great favor with this information; especially how the prophesies were so subject to variable interpretations.Another fact is that the oracle refused to see most who came.  This is typical of fortune tellers, who choose from there audience only those they are able to "read."


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Posted 12 March 2013 - 06:11 PM

View Postjaylemurph, on 10 March 2013 - 05:20 PM, said:

You know, Oedipus wanted that proof the oracle at Delphi was true, too. Didn't work out so well for him.

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Posted 13 March 2013 - 11:38 PM

Wasn''t there a Prophesy from the Oracle that went something like... "When the Bush throws his spears at Babalyon, the King Saddam will be captured and hung". :whistle:

But seriously, I heard it was volcanic vapors too.

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 01:11 AM

View PostDieChecker, on 13 March 2013 - 11:38 PM, said:

Wasn''t there a Prophesy from the Oracle that went something like... "When the Bush throws his spears at Babalyon, the King Saddam will be captured and hung". :whistle:
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No, silly, that was Nostradamus. Get your prophecies straight!

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 04:25 AM

View Postkmt_sesh, on 14 March 2013 - 01:11 AM, said:

No, silly, that was Nostradamus. Get your prophecies straight!

I thought the Nostradamus one was...
"Shrubbery eats men.
Fire lauched into Sand.
Men surrender to the Souless.
Much cash is spent to bring down the Babalyon King."

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 04:27 AM

View Postkmt_sesh, on 09 March 2013 - 06:41 AM, said:

But the oracular divinations preserved in ancient writings reveal prophecies so vague as to be generic. All of them could be interpreted in numerous ways. Let's review a couple of the most famous.

Ahh.... The John Edwards of the day. "I feel there is someone in the audiance whos name startes with a J. And they have a relative who died within the last 20 years. And they live or have lived in New England for some time...."

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 09:51 AM

View PostAncient-Explorer, on 11 March 2013 - 01:48 PM, said:

According to the Greek mythology there were some kind of fumes in the Oracle of Delphi – which could have been of course just incense. We do not know what kind of fumes it was, which makes the fumes theory a hypothesis at the moment.

In my opinion it wasn't just that. Greek mythology mentions secrete weapons and an entrance to the center of the Earth. Which probably explains why the Nazi’s in the Second World War made a secret underground tunnel (complete with a metallic structure, ladders and lights) under Delphi searching for something. It is known that the Nazi’s searched for relics all over the world, which means that they had found something under Delphi – and no one knows what this was. I have personally been to that tunnel in Delphi, which is now only known to a very few old people who lived during the Second World War - and soon will become a legend.

You cannot go at the end of the tunnel because you need diving equipment at some point. Maybe during a specific time of the year it is not flooded. Who knows!

Erm ....... say what now? I know the Germans searched for relics all over the world yes, and they did steal quite a few of them yes, but this one I hadn't heard about yet. Any source or link for this?

Also, if the Nazi's HAD found something, they sure ignored any prophecy.

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 10:41 AM

No TheSearher, I do not have any link about that. I had been there many years ago. It is in my plans to visit the place again soon, and once I do I will send pictures of the place.
The Nazi's have searched and stolen as you say many things. And they wouldn't do something like this without reason. Now what they took and why is another question.
People underestimate the knowledge of the Ancients, while their civilization was much more advanced than ours. We use most of their principles. Our major advancement is technology and nothing more. That's the reason why I completely disagree with discussions which try to underestimate Ancient places and practices (like Delphi). The word Myth which is a Greek word used to mean true story and not fictions of imagination as it is considered today (nice explanation here). Even if 50% was true of what it is mentioned in ancient texts, would be enough to dramatically change our perception of reality.

Edited by Ancient-Explorer, 15 March 2013 - 10:43 AM.

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 11:15 AM

Well the Nazis lost the war, so if they found anything it wasn't any use to them.


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Posted 15 March 2013 - 11:55 AM

They lost the war yeah... however most of the ones that were in high positions in the NAZI's back then, they continued to be in major organizatons and some still have today... So I do not know if they were the losers at the end... The only ones who loose in wars are mainly the simple people ...

Edited by Ancient-Explorer, 15 March 2013 - 11:59 AM.

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 01:31 PM

View PostAncient-Explorer, on 15 March 2013 - 11:55 AM, said:

They lost the war yeah... however most of the ones that were in high positions in the NAZI's back then, they continued to be in major organizatons and some still have today... So I do not know if they were the losers at the end... The only ones who loose in wars are mainly the simple people ...
Oh one of those: whatever.






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