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#16    ainomieli

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 06:34 PM

Hi Beany,

It is always great that people share their personal experiences about the path they are on. It was interesting to read. Thank you!

I grew up in a non-religious family. My parents were not atheists, but rather a sort of agnostics. My father actually was a strong believer of reincarnation and my mother, I think did not have an opinion about the matter. She often visited local churchyard, though she seldomly went to church. I think she was sort of an ancestry worshiper if you will.

I remember when I was spending time with my cousins and when it was time for us kids go to bed I heard my aunt say a prayer with them. I was bewildered by this. Of course I had heard about Jesus, But had not pay much thought about it.

Now when I went to my home I asked about my mother about this. I wanted to know why she had never prayed with me.
My mother kindly explained to me that her intend was always to let me find my own answers. She did not want to fill my head of religion stuff because I had wild imagination and she was afraid that it might not do good to me, because I was easily scared and had nightmares quite often.

To me the idea of God was acceptable, even natural. It was like I had always knew God. The thing different was know that this time I had a name for Him and now I new His son too.
I think it is like this for all children. Close to God in the holy spirit.

When I started to give names these perfectly natural things I started to feel some conflict in me. World was not a peaceful place anymore. It seemed chaotic and even violent. It was nothing like a Gods kingdom on earth shut be.
Later in my life I abandoned most of my childhood beliefs, trying only to keep my heart open and my mind set.
I thought that I needed to forget everything I was thought. I felt I needed to reprogram myself in order to get to the core of things.

I searched and read lot of different types of spiritual literature, but even though I find it very useful for my spiritual bath, it sort of did not lead me anywhere.
Actually I think, I had even more questions than answers. This is of course normal for most of us. In life only certainty there is, is that we know so little of inothing.

But I had these mystical experiences that made me think that there was something special in me.
I crew a bit arrogant. Self-righteously I thought that I was on the bath. And others, well they where a little mediocre. I felt utterly alone.

This lead me eventually hurt myself and others in a way I could not have possibly predict.
I got sick  but this was not sickness of body but rather sickness of soul if you will.

Because of this I had to re-evaluate my previous ways of thinking. I felt horrible anguish and thought that if I am not in Hell already, then I don't want get to know the real deal.

This made me turn back to Jesus as I once did. This time though, I was utterly lost and confused. There was no trace of that mystical knowledge that I once had. Only humiliation.

But eventually, with a loving forgiveness of others once miss treated, and maybe little bit of my own will too, I was able to accept that maybe there still was worth in me.
I regain some of my old self back. Only some of it though.

Observer in me is still the same, but perception has been changed forever. I have lost something that I can not even give a name. World is still confusing, but now I try to keep it simple.
I am able to see other people now not as a manifestation of my own anger and frustrations, but actual beings with real emotions and hardships like myself.

It will never be the same for me, but it is not an end either. I have gained also some insight as well.
And now I think I know what is important. It is not me being '' there'' first. It is us going there together. I am not in Hell anymore and that is enough right now.

Thank you all who had the patience to read this trough. It was bit long I know and I hope it was not that frustrating read. English is not my mother language and I am sorry if there are too many typos.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 06:48 PM

View PostBeany, on 11 December 2012 - 04:58 AM, said:

At the beginning of each year I choose a practice for the year. One year it was gratitude, another year, forgiveness. I figured a year is enough time for the practice to deepen, for me to internalize it if it had value, and to really grok it. You Heinlen fans know all about grokking. Anyway, a couple of years ago, I decided to practice identifying and letting go of beliefs that had little or no basis in fact, and to limit my beliefs to what I knew to be true for myself. At the end of the 3rd month my list of beliefs was whittled down to maybe 3 or 4 things, and it felt good to lighten the load. I gained some insight and began to see things perhaps a little more clearly for what they actually are instead of how I perceived them to be based on my own prejudices & false conclusions.

So now here I am, a couple of years later, and I'm not sure I hold any important beliefs, other than the importance of integrity & compassion to my well being. This isn't always a comfortable place for me; it feels like the older I get and the more I practice this detachment, the less I know and the less I'm sure of. I look at the people around me, many of whom are very certain and sure of themselves & their beliefs, and I'm both envious of their self-assurance, and distrustful of it, at the same time. I'm also wondering where this journey is taking me. The only thing I'm sure of is that I'm moving into new terrain, but I have not a clue as to where I'm going.

So through all this confusion, anxiety, and uncertainty, the thought came to me just this afternoon, that maybe instead of shaping the world/reality to fit me, maybe the reverse will happen. Maybe I need to be stripped of all my beliefs in order to let reality shape me, or in order to see more of a reality that exists independent of me. Sort of like letting it, whatever it is, finally shape me. Hey, maybe I'll even catch a glimpse of that mysterious "it." If anyone has anything to offer, I'm happy to entertain it, because right now I'm feeling what I usually feel when I'm in the midst of change: confused, anxious, and wanting to go hide in a cave, none of which is helpful. I'm hoping to hear from those who have had a similar experience, or who maybe in the middle of it themselves, like I am. Anyhoo, thanks for hearing my little voice crying out in the wilderness!

I am sort of in this place too. Well for me it started like two years ago and it has been a very growthful and also confusing time. I am still in the mix of wet cement churning for understanding, sometimes I think I will be in this state indefinitely because I know there will always be more that I do not know, but my eyes have been opened to a variety ways of seeing and I am definitely closer to god than ever before.. It is a good place for me personally

but I'd do feel a lot of rejection from people who cannot see the way that I do. I try to let them know that I do see like them, but I also see in different ways, god has given me the view of a larger picture that is still hard for me to articulate, but I love this stage, although it can be lonely, confusing and spiritually grueling... At least it is not spiritually grueling in the way of forcing myself to eat other peoples garbage, it is spiritually grueling in allowing myself to expand and allowing my own thoughts and attitudes have authority and not conforming

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 07:00 PM

View PostBeany, on 11 December 2012 - 02:59 PM, said:


The universe will continue to beeble along with or without me and I suspect my presence is far more important to me than it is to the universe.

I don't agree, you know about the ripple effect. You are a force my dear....

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 07:20 PM

View PostBeany, on 11 December 2012 - 04:58 AM, said:

At the beginning of each year I choose a practice for the year. One year it was gratitude, another year, forgiveness. I figured a year is enough time for the practice to deepen, for me to internalize it if it had value, and to really grok it. You Heinlen fans know all about grokking. Anyway, a couple of years ago, I decided to practice identifying and letting go of beliefs that had little or no basis in fact, and to limit my beliefs to what I knew to be true for myself. At the end of the 3rd month my list of beliefs was whittled down to maybe 3 or 4 things, and it felt good to lighten the load. I gained some insight and began to see things perhaps a little more clearly for what they actually are instead of how I perceived them to be based on my own prejudices & false conclusions.

So now here I am, a couple of years later, and I'm not sure I hold any important beliefs, other than the importance of integrity & compassion to my well being. This isn't always a comfortable place for me; it feels like the older I get and the more I practice this detachment, the less I know and the less I'm sure of. I look at the people around me, many of whom are very certain and sure of themselves & their beliefs, and I'm both envious of their self-assurance, and distrustful of it, at the same time. I'm also wondering where this journey is taking me. The only thing I'm sure of is that I'm moving into new terrain, but I have not a clue as to where I'm going.

So through all this confusion, anxiety, and uncertainty, the thought came to me just this afternoon, that maybe instead of shaping the world/reality to fit me, maybe the reverse will happen. Maybe I need to be stripped of all my beliefs in order to let reality shape me, or in order to see more of a reality that exists independent of me. Sort of like letting it, whatever it is, finally shape me. Hey, maybe I'll even catch a glimpse of that mysterious "it." If anyone has anything to offer, I'm happy to entertain it, because right now I'm feeling what I usually feel when I'm in the midst of change: confused, anxious, and wanting to go hide in a cave, none of which is helpful. I'm hoping to hear from those who have had a similar experience, or who maybe in the middle of it themselves, like I am. Anyhoo, thanks for hearing my little voice crying out in the wilderness!
I think you are doing a wonderful job. Only an empty cup can be filled. Real Surrender is a wonderful beginning.... And end. I think you will find your "it".

"I wish neither to possess, Nor to be possessed. I no longer covet paradise, more important, I no longer fear hell. The medicine for my suffering I had within me from the very beginning, but I did not take it. My ailment came from within myself, But I did not observe it until this moment. Now I see that I will never find the light.  Unless, like the candle, I am my own fuel, Consuming myself. "
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Posted 11 December 2012 - 09:04 PM

Hey, Seeker, I like that empty cup reference. And I'm also reminder of that phrase "the constantly becoming woman." Everyone, your wisdom & support is helping me over the bumpy road 've been on. I guess we don't always need to visit a guru or spend money on a retreat, sometimes we can just ask our friends & neighbors. I'm a big believer in common wisdom, for sure, and I've found a lot of it here. The great thing about most of the responses was the language & imagery used, it was mostly open-ended, which helps me stay the temptation to define this experience in terms of past experience, which I think would inhibit the full development of whatever comes next. Does that make any sense? In my mind I'm holding images of emptiness, i.e. an empty bowl, an empty night sky, an empty ocean, an empty field of snow in hopes this experience will definite itself, and I'm waiting to see what fills it. Well, I'll see where this takes me. This isn't the first time I've been turned upside down like this, but this IS the first time I've brought it on myself.


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Posted 12 December 2012 - 07:21 AM

View PostBeany, on 11 December 2012 - 04:58 AM, said:

At the beginning of each year I choose a practice for the year. One year it was gratitude, another year, forgiveness. I figured a year is enough time for the practice to deepen, for me to internalize it if it had value, and to really grok it. You Heinlen fans know all about grokking. Anyway, a couple of years ago, I decided to practice identifying and letting go of beliefs that had little or no basis in fact, and to limit my beliefs to what I knew to be true for myself. At the end of the 3rd month my list of beliefs was whittled down to maybe 3 or 4 things, and it felt good to lighten the load. I gained some insight and began to see things perhaps a little more clearly for what they actually are instead of how I perceived them to be based on my own prejudices & false conclusions.

So now here I am, a couple of years later, and I'm not sure I hold any important beliefs, other than the importance of integrity & compassion to my well being. This isn't always a comfortable place for me; it feels like the older I get and the more I practice this detachment, the less I know and the less I'm sure of. I look at the people around me, many of whom are very certain and sure of themselves & their beliefs, and I'm both envious of their self-assurance, and distrustful of it, at the same time. I'm also wondering where this journey is taking me. The only thing I'm sure of is that I'm moving into new terrain, but I have not a clue as to where I'm going.

So through all this confusion, anxiety, and uncertainty, the thought came to me just this afternoon, that maybe instead of shaping the world/reality to fit me, maybe the reverse will happen. Maybe I need to be stripped of all my beliefs in order to let reality shape me, or in order to see more of a reality that exists independent of me. Sort of like letting it, whatever it is, finally shape me. Hey, maybe I'll even catch a glimpse of that mysterious "it." If anyone has anything to offer, I'm happy to entertain it, because right now I'm feeling what I usually feel when I'm in the midst of change: confused, anxious, and wanting to go hide in a cave, none of which is helpful. I'm hoping to hear from those who have had a similar experience, or who maybe in the middle of it themselves, like I am. Anyhoo, thanks for hearing my little voice crying out in the wilderness!

Hi Beany,

I used to be completely self-assured and certain my religious belief was the absolute truth.  Then one day I noticed tiny cracks had appeared in the seemingly flawless foundation of my belief.  I could hardly believe it as I watched it crumble and fall in rubble around my feet.  I was devastated and thought, "What now?  What else can there possibly be?"  It really felt like the end of everything.  But something would not let me give up looking and searching.  The amazing thing was, the more I looked - the more I found and the more came into focus.

As you said, you are moving into new terrain!   Each one of us is here at this particular time for a reason.   Keep looking, I don't think you will be disappointed!


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Posted 12 December 2012 - 12:17 PM

View Postainomieli, on 11 December 2012 - 06:34 PM, said:

Hi Beany,

It is always great that people share their personal experiences about the path they are on. It was interesting to read. Thank you!

I grew up in a non-religious family. My parents were not atheists, but rather a sort of agnostics. My father actually was a strong believer of reincarnation and my mother, I think did not have an opinion about the matter. She often visited local churchyard, though she seldomly went to church. I think she was sort of an ancestry worshiper if you will.

I remember when I was spending time with my cousins and when it was time for us kids go to bed I heard my aunt say a prayer with them. I was bewildered by this. Of course I had heard about Jesus, But had not pay much thought about it.

Now when I went to my home I asked about my mother about this. I wanted to know why she had never prayed with me.
My mother kindly explained to me that her intend was always to let me find my own answers. She did not want to fill my head of religion stuff because I had wild imagination and she was afraid that it might not do good to me, because I was easily scared and had nightmares quite often.

To me the idea of God was acceptable, even natural. It was like I had always knew God. The thing different was know that this time I had a name for Him and now I new His son too.
I think it is like this for all children. Close to God in the holy spirit.

When I started to give names these perfectly natural things I started to feel some conflict in me. World was not a peaceful place anymore. It seemed chaotic and even violent. It was nothing like a Gods kingdom on earth shut be.
Later in my life I abandoned most of my childhood beliefs, trying only to keep my heart open and my mind set.
I thought that I needed to forget everything I was thought. I felt I needed to reprogram myself in order to get to the core of things.

I searched and read lot of different types of spiritual literature, but even though I find it very useful for my spiritual bath, it sort of did not lead me anywhere.
Actually I think, I had even more questions than answers. This is of course normal for most of us. In life only certainty there is, is that we know so little of inothing.

But I had these mystical experiences that made me think that there was something special in me.
I crew a bit arrogant. Self-righteously I thought that I was on the bath. And others, well they where a little mediocre. I felt utterly alone.

This lead me eventually hurt myself and others in a way I could not have possibly predict.
I got sick  but this was not sickness of body but rather sickness of soul if you will.

Because of this I had to re-evaluate my previous ways of thinking. I felt horrible anguish and thought that if I am not in Hell already, then I don't want get to know the real deal.

This made me turn back to Jesus as I once did. This time though, I was utterly lost and confused. There was no trace of that mystical knowledge that I once had. Only humiliation.

But eventually, with a loving forgiveness of others once miss treated, and maybe little bit of my own will too, I was able to accept that maybe there still was worth in me.
I regain some of my old self back. Only some of it though.

Observer in me is still the same, but perception has been changed forever. I have lost something that I can not even give a name. World is still confusing, but now I try to keep it simple.
I am able to see other people now not as a manifestation of my own anger and frustrations, but actual beings with real emotions and hardships like myself.

It will never be the same for me, but it is not an end either. I have gained also some insight as well.
And now I think I know what is important. It is not me being '' there'' first. It is us going there together. I am not in Hell anymore and that is enough right now.

Thank you all who had the patience to read this trough. It was bit long I know and I hope it was not that frustrating read. English is not my mother language and I am sorry if there are too many typos.
I think your English is just fine. :)  Your story is very interesting...and very common for searchers of truth.  That is really the key isn't it?  The 'beliefs' we acquired as children are not meeting the 'truth' test as they once did.  So, we leave our 'comfy belief box' and walk out into the world all alone;  only to find that the World doesn't care anymore about us than it did before.  And when we get confused, we go crawl back into our comfy belief box.

But we always leave that box in search of the Truth.   For me, it has to make sense...and I think that is true for most of us.  For years I tried to make everything make sense within the confines of the 'belief box'.  It was only when I left the box that things made sense.  For instance:  I have a real problem with 'miracles' because they don't make sense.   In my perspective, the truth is that virgins cannot, will not and have never had babies  and that dead people do not, cannot, and will not ever suddenly come back to life.   All of these things are easy to believe within a particular context.  But it is the context of Truth which now guides my thought process.

What I have found to be true is that Energy exists.  It cannot be destroyed, only manifested into some other form.  I understand people have all kinds of names for this Energy...God, Jesus, Allah, etc.  I just call it Energy.  Everything that is, is this mysterious  force.  I cannot explain how it all works...I just seem to understand though that there is a Universal Flow to the Energy.   I think the concepts of  God in all languages, in all religions, from the Ancients to the Present seek to explain this Universal Flow.  And that is where beliefs come into play I suppose.  I don't want to believe that I know.  I just want it to make sense.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 02:49 PM

View PostTime Traveler, on 12 December 2012 - 07:21 AM, said:

Hi Beany,

I used to be completely self-assured and certain my religious belief was the absolute truth.  Then one day I noticed tiny cracks had appeared in the seemingly flawless foundation of my belief.  I could hardly believe it as I watched it crumble and fall in rubble around my feet.  I was devastated and thought, "What now?  What else can there possibly be?"  It really felt like the end of everything.  But something would not let me give up looking and searching.  The amazing thing was, the more I looked - the more I found and the more came into focus.

As you said, you are moving into new terrain!   Each one of us is here at this particular time for a reason.   Keep looking, I don't think you will be disappointed!

Would you care to share what you found? I find people's personal stories far more compelling than anything found in a book or a lecture or a seminar, because it comes from personal experiences of people living ordinary lives who are seeking a balance between the divine/sacred and the ordinary. I've always thought how easy it must be to find enlightenment if one has no family, few obligations and responsibilities, as opposed to one who has to deal with a crying baby, getting the kids to school, getting to work on time, making enough money to pay the bills, mow the lawn, get the car fixed, etc. Now THERE'S a challenge!


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Posted 12 December 2012 - 03:56 PM

View Postjoc, on 12 December 2012 - 12:17 PM, said:

I think your English is just fine. :)  Your story is very interesting...and very common for searchers of truth.  That is really the key isn't it?  The 'beliefs' we acquired as children are not meeting the 'truth' test as they once did.  So, we leave our 'comfy belief box' and walk out into the world all alone;  only to find that the World doesn't care anymore about us than it did before.  And when we get confused, we go crawl back into our comfy belief box.

But we always leave that box in search of the Truth.   For me, it has to make sense...and I think that is true for most of us.  For years I tried to make everything make sense within the confines of the 'belief box'.  It was only when I left the box that things made sense.  For instance:  I have a real problem with 'miracles' because they don't make sense.   In my perspective, the truth is that virgins cannot, will not and have never had babies  and that dead people do not, cannot, and will not ever suddenly come back to life.   All of these things are easy to believe within a particular context.  But it is the context of Truth which now guides my thought process.

What I have found to be true is that Energy exists.  It cannot be destroyed, only manifested into some other form.  I understand people have all kinds of names for this Energy...God, Jesus, Allah, etc.  I just call it Energy.  Everything that is, is this mysterious  force.  I cannot explain how it all works...I just seem to understand though that there is a Universal Flow to the Energy.   I think the concepts of  God in all languages, in all religions, from the Ancients to the Present seek to explain this Universal Flow.  And that is where beliefs come into play I suppose.  I don't want to believe that I know.  I just want it to make sense.


Thank you for your kind words. :yes:

I too think it is a common story. I have seen people like myself fall into that pitfall. Many will loose their faith. I almost did.
I used to think too, that Jesus can not be what has been said about Him. It is just little bit too marvelous to be true.
But in the end He was only one that remained when my so called mystical experiences ceased.
I chose to believe. It is my choice.

I have grown weary of religious debate. I don't care whether people call the energy Allah or God or a Goddes. It is all the same to me.
I once felt that energy and I felt that I was blessed.
I have lost that feeling of being part of that greatness, I think because I was selfish and did not care to share with others.

I returned my childhood believes solely, because that way I can keep my spiritual life simple. And maybe this time I don't loose my track so easily.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 04:49 PM

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 04:52 PM

Hi Beany, I like your simple heart felt posts and you’re trusting in your HEART.  I shared a video with of Dr Jill Bolte Taylor on another thread and for me it is relevant to this thread as well. You have been trying to search for what we all want although we often have different perspectives of this goal. For some people its peace, for some its truth or an answer or happiness or satisfaction or contentment etc.  And all these goals can be achieved by knowing the self. Dr Jill found this when her noisy mind/thought maker was silenced by the tumour in her brain, as she said it was like some pressed the mute button and she then experienced what she REALLY was – an energy being, at One with the Universe . From the understanding acquired through this experience she now KNOW what she IS, not intellectually but through what used to be called Gnosis. Everyone IS this same energy, call it what you like (a rose by any other name would smell as sweet) and it can be accessed by everyone, but how many care to really look? Meditation is the mirror in which we can see the real us and so gain what was called wisdom (to gain access to the kingDOM of the WISe) in every era a teacher has stood up and said this, they have called it Heaven/Nirvana etc and said ‘heaven is within’.

‘Knowing yourself is true wisdom’ Lao Tzu

‘Knowing yourself is the beginning of all wisdom’. Aristotle

‘Your vision will become clear only when you look into your heart who looks inside awakens’. Carl Jung

We have been trained to use our intellect for almost everything in life and it is an amazing tool to have, we couldn’t function without it but when it comes to the quest for true understanding it can’t help us. We need to use focused attention, not thought, as Dr jill explained.

Peace is your natural state. It is the mind that obstructs the natural state. R. Maharshi

‘Your intuition knows what to do. The trick is getting your head to SHUT UP so you can hear’ Louise Smith

‘To a mind that is still the whole universe surrenders’ Loa Tzu

‘The river must be calm in order to reflect the full moon’. Thich nhat hanh

‘Stillness is the alter of spirit’ Parahansa Yogananda

You posted, ’this confusion, anxiety, and uncertainty,’ for me this was just your intellect robbed of all its concepts. For those who practice a good meditation these feelings are over come by the experience of Peace that focusing the mind brings and seeing and experiencing the Inner Light, you are ready for the next step, I would recommend meditation, then comes another challenge, which one? Find one that suits you.

‘The fish are thirsty in the water, when I hear this it makes me laugh’ Kabir

‘I have lived on the lip of insanity, wanting to know REASONS, knocking on a door. It opens I’ve been knocking from the inside!’ Rumi

‘You wander from room to room hunting for the diamond necklace, that is already round your neck!’ Rumi

‘To see what few have seen, you must go where few have gone’. Buddha

I have found the art and science of looking within to the greatest thing a human being can do and I am grateful for being able to tap into the Peace which we all have at the core of our being. All the best

‘This universe is amazing, but the fascinating thing is not understanding the universe but understanding that what powers the universe happens to be within us right now and we can experience it. And when you do you are filled with Peace, Clarity, with joy. This is when you experience the truest, truest happiness’. P.Rawat


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Posted 12 December 2012 - 05:26 PM

View Postainomieli, on 12 December 2012 - 03:56 PM, said:

Thank you for your kind words. :yes:

I too think it is a common story. I have seen people like myself fall into that pitfall. Many will loose their faith. I almost did.
I used to think too, that Jesus can not be what has been said about Him. It is just little bit too marvelous to be true.
But in the end He was only one that remained when my so called mystical experiences ceased.
I chose to believe. It is my choice.

I have grown weary of religious debate. I don't care whether people call the energy Allah or God or a Goddes. It is all the same to me.
I once felt that energy and I felt that I was blessed.
I have lost that feeling of being part of that greatness, I think because I was selfish and did not care to share with others.

I returned my childhood believes solely, because that way I can keep my spiritual life simple. And maybe this time I don't loose my track so easily.

You expressed that wonderfully! A return to childhood beliefs :yes: the simplicity ...
Like you after my foundation of beliefs and personal dogma shattered...this Jesus remain when all the dust settled

I think he is one of the greatest language(s) teachers of all time! He could gather all languages and put them into one understanding that all of us can grasp...

maybe that's why they titled him the "word"

He taught a unversial language from it's foundational concept,

Take my yoke upon you, come learn of "Me"   < today children, we will be learning what the word "Me" means when we say it...it's a pronoun that we all use to describe self...

My father and "I" are one....

My father gave them "me"

Before Abraham could know he was Abraham, he knew only to call him self by I AM....I am Abraham

Me, Myself, and I....I am in you and you are in "ME"

We all know who the "me" (personal pronoun) is in each of us...

What did Adam do wrong...well he didn't listen to what the "I" in him said to do, did you eat the fruit that "I" commanded you not to eat? Oops! sure did...nothing wrong with that! shizz happens..
What did the woman do wrong? nothing...Did "He" say that you shouldn't eat that fruit?  who is "he" ? follow what "I' says to do...her "I" said something different...

Ever wondered what this scripture verse means...

Behold, I [am] against the prophets, saith the LORD, that use their tongues, and say, He saith. (That's found in Jeremiah 23)

And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

Who do you say that "I" am?  I am "Me"

:innocent: Well it works for me, I am not going to complain with this one! :tu:

Be blessed today peeps! Learn of the "me" that is in "you", that is in "us" < grammar school all over again! Be a pro at being a noun, but either way just be.. :P


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Posted 12 December 2012 - 07:39 PM

View PostCiss, on 12 December 2012 - 05:26 PM, said:

You expressed that wonderfully! A return to childhood beliefs :yes: the simplicity ...
Like you after my foundation of beliefs and personal dogma shattered...this Jesus remain when all the dust settled

I think he is one of the greatest language(s) teachers of all time! He could gather all languages and put them into one understanding that all of us can grasp...

maybe that's why they titled him the "word"

He taught a unversial language from it's foundational concept,

Take my yoke upon you, come learn of "Me"   < today children, we will be learning what the word "Me" means when we say it...it's a pronoun that we all use to describe self...

My father and "I" are one....

My father gave them "me"

Before Abraham could know he was Abraham, he knew only to call him self by I AM....I am Abraham

Me, Myself, and I....I am in you and you are in "ME"

We all know who the "me" (personal pronoun) is in each of us...

What did Adam do wrong...well he didn't listen to what the "I" in him said to do, did you eat the fruit that "I" commanded you not to eat? Oops! sure did...nothing wrong with that! shizz happens..
What did the woman do wrong? nothing...Did "He" say that you shouldn't eat that fruit?  who is "he" ? follow what "I' says to do...her "I" said something different...

Ever wondered what this scripture verse means...

Behold, I [am] against the prophets, saith the LORD, that use their tongues, and say, He saith. (That's found in Jeremiah 23)

And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

Who do you say that "I" am?  I am "Me"

:innocent: Well it works for me, I am not going to complain with this one! :tu:

Be blessed today peeps! Learn of the "me" that is in "you", that is in "us" < grammar school all over again! Be a pro at being a noun, but either way just be.. :P


Hi Ciss,

For me bible, in most parts is too cryptic these days. I have many times wondered all those passages that contradicts each other. These scriptures interest me, but I tend to think that they should only be interpret in a historical context.
Who can really say that they are not just a bed time stories for kids. Kind of scary stories though..
Jesus can be a bit cryptic too, but I think it is because His words were written many years after Him. Most parts however, make sense to me in a very profound way. And I hope that there are still scrolls like Qumran and Dead see to be found, that can set a little bit more light to His life.

Only truth exists.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 11:42 PM

We are all on the path of unknowing, you are brave enough to be conscious of it my friend.

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 12:12 AM

One of the best topics I have read in quite a while.

Believe in oneself.
The rest will fall into place..

Set Me On Fire...




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