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[Abramelin]

docyabut2, on 14 December 2012 - 11:55 AM, said:

Ya right Abe ,thanks for the link

Lol.

[Harte]

lightdefeatsdark, on 12 December 2012 - 09:23 PM, said:

This is assuming the day cycle was the same it is now. which its not, you would get 12 full hours of sunlight a day and no seasons worldwide

That is hardly supportable.

Analysis of tidal rhythmites indicates that even as long as 620 million years ago, the Earth was still near it's present duration for the day - apprx 22 hours back then:

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Paleotidal records obtained from sedimentary tidal rhythmites may be systematically abbreviated and so may give incorrect paleotidal and paleorotational values. The validity of determined values, including past length of day (l.o.d.), can be assessed by testing for internal self‐consistency through application of the laws of celestial mechanics. Three independent values obtained from the ∼620‐Ma Elatina‐Reynella rhythmites in South Australia (14.1 sidereal months/year, 401 sidereal days/year, and 19.5 years for the lunar nodal period), when employed in different equations that make allowance for lunar and solar tidal effects, each give a lunar semimajor axis in the range of 96.5–96.9% of the present figure. Such self‐consistency strongly supports the validity of the derived l.o.d. of 21.9 hours at ∼620 Ma.

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The Earth has since been slowed by tidal drag from the Moon.

The same data shows that the moon was about 25% closer then, IIRC.

Harte

[the L]

1.What about all those similar, indentical myths around the world?

2.Does anyone knows more about shadow river/dry river in Saudi Arabia , which delta was in Persian gulf? I wonder do we know where it flows, is there settlements around it?
Did that river cause flood in Sumer? In Ur where we found clay deposits.

3.Bible, Sumerian,Babylonian myths (among others) tells story about huge rain. That we have big, long rains we must have droughts before, right? If so can we somehow trace big drought in history of humanity?

Edited by the L, 18 December 2012 - 04:27 AM.

[Arbenol68]

the L, on 18 December 2012 - 04:12 AM, said:

What about all those similar, indentical myths around the world?

Read through the thread. This question is answered.

[the L]

Arbenol68, on 18 December 2012 - 04:24 AM, said:

Read through the thread. This question is answered.

Suppression. Thats what is best to say when dont know better.

Please, explain me then, or give me a post number, how come that we have Noah story in ancient Mexico? I could mention examples all day long.

[cormac mac airt]

the L, on 18 December 2012 - 04:31 AM, said:

Suppression. Thats what is best to say when dont know better.

Please, explain me then, or give me a post number, how come that we have Noah story in ancient Mexico? I could mention examples all day long.

Care to provide a citation for the mention of a Hebrew person, living in Sumer, that's actually relevant to any tale told in Mexico.

cormac

[Arbenol68]

the L, on 18 December 2012 - 04:31 AM, said:

Suppression. Thats what is best to say when dont know better.

Please, explain me then, or give me a post number, how come that we have Noah story in ancient Mexico? I could mention examples all day long.

Post no 2 for start. If you want to discuss other cultures' flood myths it could be the same root cause - melting of massive ice caps. As for ancient Mexico I'm sure you didn't mean to suggest that they had the story of Noah. Could you be more specific?

[the L]

Purepecha people from Mexico aka as Tarascans with their oval pyramids at Tzintzuntzan have myth about Tespi. Tespi made ark before flood and with his wife, children, herbs and animals survive flood. Tespi story is identical with Noah. If Tespi isnt Noah so we could tell same for Atra Hasis and Utnapishtim.

Edited by the L, 18 December 2012 - 08:36 AM.

[the L]

Also interestingly Anasazi/Hopi indians, Mayans and Hindu scripts (Yugas) tell that this is fourth stage of earth. Fourth cycles. Mayans said that previous spicies such as dwarves were deleted in flood however from all of previous three periods there were survivors who melted with humans.

[Quaentum]

When you look at the various flood stories, and there are over 270, you not only have to take into account how far apart in time some of them are but also how they describe their particular floods.  Some are regional such as a single island, some are local like those that describe a single valley or even a single tribe as the only ones affected by the flood and some aren't even floods as we refer to them.

If you do look at how they describe the flood you find only about 10%-15% of all the stories could be said to describe a world wide flood and they are scattered around the Middle East, Asia, Africa and Europe.  They could well be just stories told and retold by travelers but not actual historical accounts for most of the areas.

The biblical account is the only one where it rains for 40 days/nights and the Earth is covered by water for a year and so is a major embellishment from Gilgamesh where it was obtained and added to the bible.

The reason some of the flood stories, outside Eurasia, have elements of the biblical account, including possible references to Noah, can possibly attributed to missionary contamination.

[the L]

Quaentum, on 18 December 2012 - 02:56 PM, said:

The reason some of the flood stories, outside Eurasia, have elements of the biblical account, including possible references to Noah, can possibly attributed to missionary contamination.

How did I know that explanation for Tespi story would be Spainyards?

Btw it is possible that Bible describe too floods not just one.

Edited by the L, 18 December 2012 - 05:51 PM.

[shaddow134]

Quaentum, on 18 December 2012 - 02:56 PM, said:

The reason some of the flood stories, outside Eurasia, have elements of the biblical account, including possible references to Noah, can possibly attributed to missionary contamination.

There is also the possibility that most Flood stories also originate from one original account,the Biblical version not being the original but borrowed,but this is just speculation on my part.

[AsteroidX]

It happened. It is an ancient story like the Mayan calendar. Its just been washed down over the years as 10,000 or so is a long time. Accurate details would be hard to prove specific to the story but the geological location is a possibility.

[Abramelin]

shaddow134, on 18 December 2012 - 06:32 PM, said:

There is also the possibility that most Flood stories also originate from one original account,the Biblical version not being the original but borrowed,but this is just speculation on my part.

I have posted this like a dozen times already.

At the end of the last ice age there were many giant ice lakes, in North America and Siberia/Altai, barricaded by an ice dam.

The dams melted, breached and giant flash flows occurred.

All that could explain the myths around the world, and even the solid frozen mammoths with daffodils still in their mouths.

[Abramelin]

AsteroidX, on 18 December 2012 - 06:43 PM, said:

It happened. It is an ancient story like the Mayan calendar. Its just been washed down over the years as 10,000 or so is a long time. Accurate details would be hard to prove specific to the story but the geological location is a possibility.

The Mayan Calendar is supposed to have started at 3113 BCE.