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#301    Cassea

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 09:25 PM

You don't have the power to force it to change.  That's a semantic game.  You are trying to act like it's a huge deal.  Basically you don't have the right to be aggressive and nasty. With Christians because you don't agree with their beliefs.  You don't believe in God either.  So it is very easy for you to dismiss the words.  As unimportant. Trying to get us to change our views.  Is shoving your views down our throats.  I have never been disrespectful to a homosexual.   I have simply shared the statements in the Bible.  I don't involve myself with other people's issues.  If i know someone committed adultery.  I don't attack.   It is not my place. You on the other hand. Want the Church to ignore the words of God.  And agree with you.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 09:28 PM

View PostCassea, on 14 December 2012 - 09:25 PM, said:

You don't have the power to force it to change.  That's a semantic game.  You are trying to act like it's a huge deal.  Basically you don't have the right to be aggressive and nasty. With Christians because you don't agree with their beliefs.  You don't believe in God either.  So it is very easy for you to dismiss the words.  As unimportant. Trying to get us to change our views.  Is shoving your views down our throats.  I have never been disrespectful to a homosexual.   I have simply shared the statements in the Bible.  I don't involve myself with other people's issues.  If i know someone committed adultery.  I don't attack.   It is not my place. You on the other hand. Want the Church to ignore the words of God.  And agree with you.
you hide behind your interpretation of the word of god so that you don't have to field the blame for your own personal viewpoint.


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Posted 14 December 2012 - 09:32 PM

View PostCassea, on 14 December 2012 - 09:25 PM, said:

You don't have the power to force it to change

Point to where I said I wanted to force it to chang.. You are purposely misrepresenting me, ignoring what I say and twisting my words.

The discussion ends here, because, quite frankly, I've had enough of you doing it and you don't seem to stop.

All what you care about is the word of god. That''s all that matters. I hope selling your humanity out is worth it.

I pity that you can't see further than what the bible says, that you can't think for yourself for five minutes.

Edited by shadowhive, 14 December 2012 - 09:33 PM.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 09:35 PM

View PostJGirl, on 14 December 2012 - 09:28 PM, said:

you hide behind your interpretation of the word of god so that you don't have to field the blame for your own personal viewpoint.

I have not.  That's completely a lie.  I have stated my opinion on this several times.  I have no issue with homosexuality.  If someone is gay it is between them and God.  Not me.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 09:37 PM

View Postshadowhive, on 14 December 2012 - 09:15 PM, said:

They fought against marriage changing, even when it was civil marriage own. Civil marriage and definition is decided solely by the government, not by the church. The church was, thusly, butting in where it didn't belong from the start.

'Haven't had as much issue' isn't the same as no issue, They always had issues with civil partnerships too. They didn't want them because they were 'too close to marriage' again, even though they were done by the government.

Gay people have always wanted same sex marriages, not civil unions, not civil partnerships, but marriage. Those other things are lesser and still considered as being inferior. they're always the result of compromises to appease religions and you know what I'm sick of religions I'm not part of trying to dicate if I can and cannot get married. Why should i have to settle for something seperate to appease the church's whims? Why should anyone?

We have equality laws in this country and, before this all started, the church already had entitlements not to follow it to the letter. Look at the claims they'd be forced. They claim that the equality law that they don't have to follow anyway, would be used against them, even though it can't be now.

I'm not making things up, nor am I attacking you personally. But hey, you always seem to have problems with what I say.

You do not -
1. Dictate to religion its values, its traditions and who it accepts as followers.
2. Own church marriage.
3. Have the right to demand religion is rewritten to accomodate you.
4. Have the right to force churches to perform their ceremonies on you and your gay partner.

Furthermore you do not own the equalities act. Although it covers gay rights it also covers ethnic minority rights and religious rights. The reason why is religious groups need their rights protecting from groups who would force their own values onto them, namely you. You are behaving as an anti-religious bigot and the sad thing is you dont even believe in God so whats it got to do with you?


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Posted 14 December 2012 - 09:37 PM

View Postshadowhive, on 14 December 2012 - 09:32 PM, said:

Point to where I said I wanted to force it to chang.. You are purposely misrepresenting me, ignoring what I say and twisting my words.

The discussion ends here, because, quite frankly, I've had enough of you doing it and you don't seem to stop.

All what you care about is the word of god. That''s all that matters. I hope selling your humanity out is worth it.

I pity that you can't see further than what the bible says, that you can't think for yourself for five minutes.

I didn't say that.  You misread it.    I said.  You don't have the power to force it to change. It's a silly statement to keep insisting. That you are not trying to force it.  You can't force it. You are just a person.  How could you actually force it.  You can't.  So to keep insisting that you aren't trying to force it.  Is very very silly.    No one is saying you are trying to force the church to change.  What you are doing is forcing your views.  Down our throats.  Instead of just conceding.  That we have different opinions.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 09:38 PM

View Postshadowhive, on 14 December 2012 - 09:20 PM, said:

No. I have no right to FORCE it to change.

I have every right to try and change it, to encourage change especially since that change is for the greater good for all.

Big difference. You and Casea should really learn that.

Then you're in violation of the equalities act.

Religions, religous groups and their followers have the right to practice their faith unhindered by others.

Edited by Mr Right Wing, 14 December 2012 - 09:40 PM.


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Posted 14 December 2012 - 09:39 PM

View PostCassea, on 14 December 2012 - 09:35 PM, said:

I have not.  That's completely a lie.  I have stated my opinion on this several times.  I have no issue with homosexuality.  If someone is gay it is between them and God.  Not me.
exactly...
oh it's not me saying these things, it's the bible!!
bull crap
it's your rendtition of the bible.
to be a christian is to follow the teachings of jesus. quite simply that. the rest of it is pure interpretation and has no real bearing on being worthy of calling oneself a christian. therefore it stands that a homosexual person who believes in jesus and his teachings is indeed a christian in very good standing.
jesus said nothing about gay people in any way- and most definitely didn't say anything that would promote or justify the disgust and fear that many christians seem to have for homosexuality.


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Posted 14 December 2012 - 09:40 PM

View PostMr Right Wing, on 14 December 2012 - 09:37 PM, said:

You do not -
1. Dictate to religion its values, its traditions and who it accepts as followers.
2. Own church marriage.
3. Have the right to demand religion is rewritten to accomodate you.
4. Have the right to force churches to perform their ceremonies on you and your gay partner.

Furthermore you do not own the equalities act. Although it covers gay rights it also covers ethnic minority rights and religious rights. The reason why is religious groups need their rights protecting from groups who would force their own values onto them, namely you. You are behaving as an anti-religious bigot and the sad thing is you dont even believe in God so whats it got to do with you?

1-4 have been covered. Try and keep up. I want religion to change. I don't want to FORCE them to change. What do I have to do to get that across to you?

Personally (and this is just my personal opinion) religous rights should have a seperate act. Ethnic, women's rights and gay rights are based on one thing: defending characteristics that are inborn. Religion is a choice. It should not be lumped in with things that are not.

What's it got to do with me? Again, explained. Look back a few pages.

So just take off that disguise, everyone knows that you're only, pretty on the outside
We'll just keep on trying till we run out of cake
No one can tell you who you are
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Posted 14 December 2012 - 09:42 PM

View PostMr Right Wing, on 14 December 2012 - 09:38 PM, said:

Then you're in violation of the equalities act.

Religions, religous groups and their followers have the right to practice their faith unhindered by others.

As always, to an extent.

As I've mentioned, the bible says thaat gay people should be executed. Try and do that and guess what? The act does not protect you.

So just take off that disguise, everyone knows that you're only, pretty on the outside
We'll just keep on trying till we run out of cake
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"The circumstances of one's birth are irrelevent, it's what you do with the gift of life that determines who you are."

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 09:42 PM

View PostJGirl, on 14 December 2012 - 09:39 PM, said:

exactly...
oh it's not me saying these things, it's the bible!!
bull crap
it's your rendtition of the bible.
to be a christian is to follow the teachings of jesus. quite simply that. the rest of it is pure interpretation and has no real bearing on being worthy of calling oneself a christian. therefore it stands that a homosexual person who believes in jesus and his teachings is indeed a christian in very good standing.
jesus said nothing about gay people in any way- and most definitely didn't say anything that would promote or justify the disgust and fear that many christians seem to have for homosexuality.

View PostJGirl, on 14 December 2012 - 09:39 PM, said:

exactly...
oh it's not me saying these things, it's the bible!!
bull crap
it's your rendtition of the bible.
to be a christian is to follow the teachings of jesus. quite simply that. the rest of it is pure interpretation and has no real bearing on being worthy of calling oneself a christian. therefore it stands that a homosexual person who believes in jesus and his teachings is indeed a christian in very good standing.
jesus said nothing about gay people in any way- and most definitely didn't say anything that would promote or justify the disgust and fear that many christians seem to have for homosexuality.

That is a more liberal interpretation of Christianity.  You don't get to dictate what it means to be Christian.  It's not just what Jesus said. It is also what God said.   I am probably more liberal.  But I don't deny the right of those who are more conservative.  To believe what they do.  And to do otherwise is bigoted and disrespectful.  No matter how much you try to hide behind.  Self righteousness.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 09:43 PM

View Postshadowhive, on 14 December 2012 - 09:40 PM, said:

1-4 have been covered. Try and keep up. I want religion to change. I don't want to FORCE them to change. What do I have to do to get that across to you?

Personally (and this is just my personal opinion) religous rights should have a seperate act. Ethnic, women's rights and gay rights are based on one thing: defending characteristics that are inborn. Religion is a choice. It should not be lumped in with things that are not.

What's it got to do with me? Again, explained. Look back a few pages.

I like the way you say you dont want to force change onto the church then say lets rewrite the law to give them less rights.

Bit of a contradiction.


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Posted 14 December 2012 - 09:43 PM

View Postshadowhive, on 14 December 2012 - 09:40 PM, said:

1-4 have been covered. Try and keep up. I want religion to change. I don't want to FORCE them to change. What do I have to do to get that across to you?

Personally (and this is just my personal opinion) religous rights should have a seperate act. Ethnic, women's rights and gay rights are based on one thing: defending characteristics that are inborn. Religion is a choice. It should not be lumped in with things that are not.

What's it got to do with me? Again, explained. Look back a few pages.

You can't force them to change.  We know this.  So it is silly to keep saying it.  It is as if you are writing  "I'm not going to force Obama to resign"   Who are you?  You have no power at all.  You can't force them. So why do you keep saying this as if you are. Giving up some huge power and not forcing them.  You instead are nasty to Christians and try to . Hide behind self righteousness.  Insisting that people are doing things to you. That are not being done.

You reject God and don't believe in Him.  You are hoping that others will stop believing in God. And then they can just agree with you.  So this is what you are doing.   You are hiding behind the ignorance of God.  Expecting others to eventually agree.  When we say we won't.  You attack us.

Edited by Cassea, 14 December 2012 - 09:45 PM.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 09:45 PM

View PostMr Right Wing, on 14 December 2012 - 09:43 PM, said:

I like the way you say you dont want to force change onto the church then say lets rewrite the law to give them less rights.

Bit of a contradiction.

That's not what I mean at all.

By all means religion's should have rights, but those rights should not be under ann act which protects things that aren't a choice. I don''t want them to have less rights and that's just my opinion.

So just take off that disguise, everyone knows that you're only, pretty on the outside
We'll just keep on trying till we run out of cake
No one can tell you who you are
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Posted 14 December 2012 - 09:47 PM

View PostCassea, on 14 December 2012 - 09:43 PM, said:

You can't force them to change.  We know this.  So it is silly to keep saying it.  It is as if you are writing  "I'm not going to force Obama to resign"   Who are you?  You have no power at all.  You can't force them. So why do you keep saying this as if you are. Giving up some huge power and not forcing them.  You instead are nasty to Christians and try to . Hide behind self righteousness.  Insisting that people are doing things to you. That are not being done.

I have to keep saying it. Why? Because YOU keep making out like I want to force them to do things.

Things have been done to me by religious people.Try being kicked and punched, Try being name called. Try being spat on. Try being beaten. ...oh wait that doesn't count!

What about other countries, where people can be murdered for being gay? Or people that commit suicide due to religious pressure. Oh wait, those don't count either!

I don''t repect bullies. The church acts like a bully and tries to hide behind god, but it's still a bully. It just has protection to be one.

Edited by shadowhive, 14 December 2012 - 09:48 PM.

So just take off that disguise, everyone knows that you're only, pretty on the outside
We'll just keep on trying till we run out of cake
No one can tell you who you are
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"The circumstances of one's birth are irrelevent, it's what you do with the gift of life that determines who you are."




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