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#31    F3SS

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 11:47 PM

So what do you think the odds are that there will be millions and millions of people who take this fine and shove it up obamas ass? I mean don't pay it. They can't arrest that many people. That would accomplish two things: 1. Just make it the IRS' job completely non efficient and chaotic    2. Ruin the whole 'noble' idea behind this crap
I really don't want to pay this if for nothing else than principle.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 12:18 AM

View Post-Mr_Fess-, on 13 December 2012 - 11:47 PM, said:

So what do you think the odds are that there will be millions and millions of people who take this fine and shove it up obamas ass? I mean don't pay it. They can't arrest that many people. That would accomplish two things: 1. Just make it the IRS' job completely non efficient and chaotic 2. Ruin the whole 'noble' idea behind this crap
I really don't want to pay this if for nothing else than principle.

I don't know what the outcome will be. I know everyone thinks anyone that owns their own little business is doing great, but they've never done it. In good times, we have people wanting specialty items built at whatever cost. In bad times we have people that just want things fixed to pass whatever inspection has to be passed....for as little cost as possible. We won't do anything substandard, but people are letting things go to the point that it's unsafe...even on apartment complexes and condoes.

I know you probably understand what I'm saying without going into much more detail. :tu:  Our saving grace, is the fact that we have an "in" with the artist community, because of my husband's welding talent. Oddly enough, our city is big into sculpture and has money allocated to it, especially through private funds... so a lot of artists are asking for his help in building them. Most people aren't that fortunate.

Rant over...

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 01:32 AM

View Post-Mr_Fess-, on 13 December 2012 - 11:10 PM, said:

Yep, nothing gets me motivated like getting several thousand dollar fines punishable by imprisonment

1) it would be several thousand only if you made between 250,000 or more. Are you seriously telling me that you make that kind of money and are whining about healthcare premiums?

2) it is not punishable by imprisonment. this was discussed ad naseum on UM during the year it was a bill. It's law now.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 01:33 AM

View Post-Mr_Fess-, on 13 December 2012 - 11:47 PM, said:

So what do you think the odds are that there will be millions and millions of people who take this fine and shove it up obamas ass?

in fact, it's been investigated that few will be this stupid.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 01:37 AM

View Postninjadude, on 13 December 2012 - 10:38 PM, said:

Sorry. It doesn't work like that. So if you think that, you're going to be disappointed. And probably bankrupt. Buy insurance.
You are so notoriously clueless.  Yes, I did sign up for Obamacare.  I donít want to give my company an excuse to fire me because they have to pay a penalty tax.  Not yet anyway.  Not until I find out more of what my rights are.  This first time around is to give it the benefit of the doubt.  But as Iíve stated before, my deductible is going up by 400%, itís at $4000 now.  I only spend about half that for healthcare in a regular year and much of that is because we can acquire the drugs my wife needs for a lot less.  Now, we wonít be able to.  My yearly out of pocket limit is now $12,000.  So in other words, where before I got a benefit having insurance, I no longer do and I have to pay for that privilege.  I can no longer afford lab work.  It has gone up from $50 a pop to almost $1000.  So, Iíll stop going to the doctor to check my cholesterol and such.  I would go for lab work about twice a year and my wife would go several times.  I donít know what weíre going to do if she has to go, dig into savings?  If I get ill, I will go bankrupted.  I donít think Iím alone.  This Obamacare is the biggest flop to ever be perpetrated on the American people.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 01:54 AM

View PostRavenHawk, on 14 December 2012 - 01:37 AM, said:

You are so notoriously clueless.  Yes, I did sign up for Obamacare.

are you like 10? There is no such thing as Obamacare that you can "sign up" for. Talk about clueless. First of all, the exchanges are not set up. The rules are not defined. You would sign up in 2014 for an insurance plan by an INSURANCE company. There is no government option. Obama care is not healthcare. It's a framework for healthinsurance. Sign up for Obamacare. What a joke. whatever you signed up for as "obamacare" is fraudulent by some insurance company.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 01:57 AM

View Postninjadude, on 14 December 2012 - 01:32 AM, said:



1) it would be several thousand only if you made between 250,000 or more. Are you seriously telling me that you make that kind of money and are whining about healthcare premiums?

2) it is not punishable by imprisonment. this was discussed ad naseum on UM during the year it was a bill. It's law now.
I'll probably be in the $1500 range for fines on top of the many thousands I pay in personal taxes already.
Then what's the downside to not paying? Bad credit? Because I thought after enough time, if you didn't pay your taxes you can end up in jail.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 02:21 AM

I'd imagine the IRS would just garnish your taxes.  That's just a guess though.


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Posted 14 December 2012 - 02:34 AM

View PostGromdor, on 14 December 2012 - 02:21 AM, said:

I'd imagine the IRS would just garnish your taxes.  That's just a guess though.
Then I'll do what I did when i was younger and wouldn't balance my check book. I'll close my bank accounts and just cash my checks at the grocery store service desk and buy money orders for my bills. I'll miss online bill pay but that cash will be stashed somewhere ungarnishable if I were to take to shove it up your ass Obama path.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 03:16 AM

View Post-Mr_Fess-, on 14 December 2012 - 02:34 AM, said:

Then I'll do what I did when i was younger and wouldn't balance my check book. I'll close my bank accounts and just cash my checks at the grocery store service desk and buy money orders for my bills. I'll miss online bill pay but that cash will be stashed somewhere ungarnishable if I were to take to shove it up your ass Obama path.

Just out of curiosity, why did you do something like all that when you were younger?


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Posted 14 December 2012 - 03:39 AM

What bounce a bank account or two when I was 18 or so? Yea so what.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 04:33 AM

View Postninjadude, on 14 December 2012 - 01:54 AM, said:

are you like 10?
Are you ignorant or just stupid?

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There is no such thing as Obamacare that you can "sign up" for. Talk about clueless.
Oh, ok, bothÖ  Donít be a maroon.

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First of all, the exchanges are not set up. The rules are not defined.
Not everything is.  Doh!  But do you think that on 31 Dec 2013 that all insurance will be the way it has been and then magically on 1 Jan 2014, itís Obamacare?  You are as dumb as you look.  Companies are transitioning now.  Our HR dept has pointed out that we are only half way to full compliance.  I canít wait for the next open enrollment.  I might as well turn in the keys to the house.

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You would sign up in 2014 for an insurance plan by an INSURANCE company.
Actually signing up for insurance usually takes place during what is called open enrollment at the end of the year.  This year is no different.  You should come up out of the basement and ask your parents what that is and how much they pay for you.

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There is no government option. Obama care is not healthcare.
I thought you said that there is no Obamacare?!  It controls healthcare.  It forces us to get insurance and it dictates what coverage it provides.  For all practical purposes, thatís the government option.  Itís designed to eventually become a single payer system.

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It's a framework for healthinsurance.
Yes, it is a framework.  The framework of a Socialist society.  The dream of a Socialistís agenda.

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Sign up for Obamacare. What a joke. whatever you signed up for as "obamacare" is fraudulent by some insurance company.
Nope.  Itís legit.  You just refuse to accept the truth.  What will be interesting is that sometime by 2014, your attitude will change.  Iím curious as to whether you will double down or begin to see the light?  I suspect you will just double down.  Youíre just too dependent on the koolaid you take intravenously.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 05:55 AM

View Postninjadude, on 13 December 2012 - 10:44 PM, said:

It must be different for different companies. In places I've worked almost no one used an HSA. Maybe Startravelor will jump in. I suspect the "plans" offered that are "legal" are still being ironed out. Will we still have HSAs?

The 10% thing will hurt those that use it. A small number of people.
Aren't you retired Ninja? How long since you've been in the Trenches? Every company offers HSA now. The employee gets to pay medical bills with before tax money and the the company has little extra costs. WIn, win.

I do not mean to say that these Obamacare taxes (And even Obama called it Obamacare) are horrendous, but that they WILL affect eveyone who uses regular types of insurance. People on the public forms of insurance are going to be hit a lot less.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 10:19 AM

Medical companies brace for 'devastating' ObamaCare tax, prepare for layoffs

Read more: http://www.foxnews.c.../#ixzz2F1HWYdSm



I really feel sorry for a lot of people who will lose their jobs because of the all these tax hikes, and are reguire to pay more taxs for their Obama health care every year , penalties if they don`t pay.All I see is more of the people turning to  free medicade and more wellfare states and not paying any taxs.

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 12:34 AM

View PostOverSword, on 12 December 2012 - 05:58 PM, said:

Full List of Obamacare Tax Hikes
Obamacare law contains 20 new or higher taxes on American families and small businesses

Lumping these all together is misleading, as most of them aren't intended to be revenue-raisers, they're policy changes. That's the case with some of the items about changing the conditions under which tax exempt status is awarded or, in some cases, rolling it back.

The "excise tax on charitable hospitals" is really just a provision that requires non-profit hospitals to meet certain criteria if they want to keep non-profit status. The same is true of Blue Cross needing to spend a certain percentage of premium revenue on actual care if it wants to continue to enjoy favored tax status.

The individual and employer mandates aren't designed to bring in money, they're intended to maintain stability in the marketplace.

Some aren't even tax changes at all: listing the value of health benefits on the W-2 doesn't change their tax status (nor is it a "preamble" to doing so), it lets the employee know the value of their health benefits, which is a fact currently shielded from most employees.

Now there are revenue-raisers, of course. That's your Medicare and your investment income taxes on high-earners, the taxes on device manufacturers and insurers, and the excise tax on cadillac insurance plans (which also has a policy role to play). That's why the spending the is paid for.



View Postninjadude, on 13 December 2012 - 10:44 PM, said:

It must be different for different companies. In places I've worked almost no one used an HSA. Maybe Startravelor will jump in. I suspect the "plans" offered that are "legal" are still being ironed out. Will we still have HSAs?

Yes, we'll still have HSAs. Probably more of them, actually.





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