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#1    OverSword

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 09:43 PM

So what's next?  Cattle prods if you're walking too slow?

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Cops and attorneys have argued in an ongoing lawsuit that the use of a taser at point blank range on a handcuffed woman does not constitute assault with dangerous weapon, and ” that the use of a Taser is not unconstitutional when used to compel obedience by inmates.”
The arguments were made as part of a motion to dismiss charges against an Oklahoma police officer in a civil suit brought by Nakina Williams following an incident in June.
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Officer Sterling Taylor-Santino was filmed tasering Williams in the chest at point blank range while she was already under custody with her hands cuffed behind her back at the Pittsburg County Jail.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 09:50 PM

Cops are far too Taser ready.  I'm not sure how inflicting that much pain on someone is justifiable for some of the stuff we see them use it on.


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Posted 12 December 2012 - 10:14 PM

View Postsupervike, on 12 December 2012 - 09:50 PM, said:

Cops are far too Taser ready.  I'm not sure how inflicting that much pain on someone is justifiable for some of the stuff we see them use it on.
I'd rather them be taser happy then gun happy.
Mind you, a taser would probably be as lethal to me as a gun shot (naturally arrhythmic heart + taser = heart attack)


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Posted 12 December 2012 - 10:18 PM

I would not expect cops and prosecutors to take any other position than the one they have taken. :no:

In a country with legalized torture, the Taser rules supreme.


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Posted 12 December 2012 - 10:41 PM

View Postsupervike, on 12 December 2012 - 09:50 PM, said:

Cops are far too Taser ready.  I'm not sure how inflicting that much pain on someone is justifiable for some of the stuff we see them use it on.
I know.  Look at the size of that woman.  As if they could not easily have just dragged her into the drunk tank to sleep it off.  Disgraceful.


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Posted 13 December 2012 - 01:22 AM

View PostWearer of Hats, on 12 December 2012 - 10:14 PM, said:

I'd rather them be taser happy then gun happy.
Mind you, a taser would probably be as lethal to me as a gun shot (naturally arrhythmic heart + taser = heart attack)

Fair point.

However, replace the 'Taser use' with a punch in the nose and imagine the same situations we've seen.  Imagine the backlash and calls for reform we'd see.


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Posted 13 December 2012 - 04:03 AM

OverSword, how many cops COULD have been injured by dragging her off to sleep in the drunk tank? Is this a fair number of cops to potentially lose to communicable diseases like Hep C, AIDS, HPV, or even simple things like the flu or cold?

LEO's are trained to minimize their risk of injury when dealing with subjects. If we lose one cop for every one bad guy - even for a day or two - what do we do next week when there ARE no cops on the beat due to illness or injury?

Perhaps you would prefer the expandable baton?

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 04:10 AM

View PostOverSword, on 12 December 2012 - 10:41 PM, said:

I know.  Look at the size of that woman.  As if they could not easily have just dragged her into the drunk tank to sleep it off.  Disgraceful.


Take her to the ground, she fights back, hurts her leg, gets some bruises, breaks her nose....officer gets hurt in the take down.......All on tape.


Tazer wins.




People sure easily b**** about police, but when they need one, they sure do call.

In my entire life I have never had a bad run in with Police.......Do not put yourself in situations like this, and you will not have to worry about it.

Put yourself in situations like this, you take the chance.

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 04:12 AM

Well, I like being hit by a Taser.
Makes me feel tingly all over.  :passifier:


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Posted 13 December 2012 - 09:46 AM

Lol me and my friends taze each other as a practical joke( First time was an accident when we found it it wasn't so bad well :P ). Yeah they were pricks for using it at that point in time but still it's better then some of the other alternatives. Pepper spray would suck more then being tazed....

I've seen cops who are pricks and cops who are awesome, they are human after all.


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Posted 13 December 2012 - 02:35 PM

View PostTravelling Man, on 13 December 2012 - 04:03 AM, said:

OverSword, how many cops COULD have been injured by dragging her off to sleep in the drunk tank? Is this a fair number of cops to potentially lose to communicable diseases like Hep C, AIDS, HPV, or even simple things like the flu or cold?

LEO's are trained to minimize their risk of injury when dealing with subjects. If we lose one cop for every one bad guy - even for a day or two - what do we do next week when there ARE no cops on the beat due to illness or injury?

Perhaps you would prefer the expandable baton?

I would prefer a bit of common sense on the part of the cops.  Not just in this case, but in the zillions of others that are on You Tube.  Big strong cops tasing frail old people and youngsters?


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Posted 13 December 2012 - 03:31 PM

View PostTravelling Man, on 13 December 2012 - 04:03 AM, said:

OverSword, how many cops COULD have been injured by dragging her off to sleep in the drunk tank? Is this a fair number of cops to potentially lose to communicable diseases like Hep C, AIDS, HPV, or even simple things like the flu or cold?

LEO's are trained to minimize their risk of injury when dealing with subjects. If we lose one cop for every one bad guy - even for a day or two - what do we do next week when there ARE no cops on the beat due to illness or injury?

Perhaps you would prefer the expandable baton?
Get real! She is like 4 foot 9 and 120 pounds.  Two cops could each grab one arm and take her, heels dragging to the drunk tank and put her in.  What if she had died for this?  Though not too common people do die from being tazed.  But no big deal right?  We wouldn't want the delicated little cop to break a nail.


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Posted 13 December 2012 - 03:36 PM

View Postpallidin, on 13 December 2012 - 04:12 AM, said:

Well, I like being hit by a Taser.
Makes me feel tingly all over.  :passifier:
Actually when they first issued stun guns, not the tazers they have now, my uncle (he's a cop) told me they all had to get stunned, I asked him if it hurt and he asked me if I wanted to find out, so I said if you can take one I can take two, so he used it to lay me out on my grandmothers kitchen floor (LOL, good times!) then I got up and got another one and he says you asked for two. :w00t:


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Posted 13 December 2012 - 03:41 PM

When you are at work, most have " procedures ". Procedures must be followed, especially by Police. Police have procedures they MUST follow.

I have not looked up that districts policies, but I am sure they are all similar.

Don't b**** out at the officers, they were most likely doing there job as instructed.

Here is a policy from one Department :



II. POLICY
Situations occur in which employees find it necessary to use force in the performance of
their duties. Inherent in these situations is the risk of injury to both employees and
citizens.
In an effort to reduce these risks, and as an alternative to what would otherwise
require a greater level of force, the use of an Electronic Control Device is authorized as
outlined in this directive.







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Posted 13 December 2012 - 04:12 PM


View PostWearer of Hats, on 12 December 2012 - 10:14 PM, said:

I'd rather them be taser happy then gun happy.
Mind you, a taser would probably be as lethal to me as a gun shot (naturally arrhythmic heart + taser = heart attack)
but it is not how it works in real world.cops use tasers so much cuz there is no consiquences after they use it, no pile of paperwork\shrink visits\ probable suspention, as they would after they use firearm. and in thoery it is nonelethal, so the have no problem shooting you with one if they feel like it. i'm very glad nypd doesn't carry those.

Edited by aztek, 13 December 2012 - 04:13 PM.

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