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[aztek]

Beckys_Mom, on 14 December 2012 - 08:14 PM, said:

Guys  I wish you would take your worry over politics elsewhere .  This thread is a tragic story.. Using it to yap over   * Oh our gun laws may suffer now * .. Right now, people are more concerned  with the   actual story at hand..  not your worry over gun laws.. Give it a rest..

i agree with you, and also just like millions others want it not to happen anymore. but to make that happen, we need to find the couse of the problem, not go after means (guns), but all we do is that , going after guns, and that gets us no where. pretty much a fact. we fail everytime we do it, yet there are planty of ppl that want to do it again, doing something useless takes you away from doing something usefull.

[CommunitarianKevin]

Drayno, on 14 December 2012 - 08:10 PM, said:

Gary Johnson.

The second amendment is meant to be the safeguard of our Republic. My family fought in the American Revolution. I have a picture of the Minute Battalion of Culpeper County, Virginia on the wall directly above me... I'm a member of the Sons of the American Revolution... My family has fought in every major war. Do not insult me.

We have arms in order to defend our freedoms - which either come from our humanity, or come from our government - which side of the argument indicates your political views... We have arms in order to redress our government if we deem it fit - to abolish the power of those who do not do their job..

When people are going to talk about gun changes - which they will after this horrendous incident, legislation will be on the minds of some. The UN already has been on America's ass about restricting the sales of assault rifles.

Again, you don't need to be a genius to figure this out.

I rather not make this topic about politics, so I will relent here. Let's save this topic for the mourning of those poor souls departed from this earth on this terrible, terrible morning.

Once again I will stop this discussion here...but stop acting as if I keep pulling the thread in this direction...

Drayno, on 14 December 2012 - 07:50 PM, said:

This is a horrible tragedy...

Watch Obama spin this an enact anti-gun laws.

Goodbye second amendment, hello tyranny.

Public opinion is about to manipulated.. in the likes you have never seen before.

You brought in anti-gun laws and politics...

[Kafkaesque]

CommunitarianKevin, on 14 December 2012 - 08:20 PM, said:

Once again I will stop this discussion here...but stop acting as if I keep pulling the thread in this direction...


You brought in anti-gun laws and politics...

And you chose to respond. End of story.

If the shooter was speaking of end of the world rhetoric, we can expect more chaos like this to come about..

Many more people will act questionably in the face of what they perceive to be the end of the world..

[The New Richard Nixon]

Apparently the gunmans younger brother has been arrested and the gunmans GF and a friend of relative of the GF, are missing

[Kafkaesque]

The New Richard Nixon, on 14 December 2012 - 08:25 PM, said:

Apparently the gunmans younger brother has been arrested and the gunmans GF and a friend of relative of the GF, are missing

Maybe they're afraid he's involved to some degree? I wouldn't go so far as to say they're arresting him for his own safety.

If he's been arrested, they probably believe they're is some conspiracy.

[Order66]

aztek, on 14 December 2012 - 08:20 PM, said:

i agree with you, and also just like millions others want it not to happen anymore. but to make that happen, we need to find the couse of the problem, not go after means (guns), but all we do is that , going after guns, and that gets us no where. pretty much a fact. we fail everytime we do it, yet there are planty of ppl that want to do it again, doing something useless takes you away from doing something usefull.

I agree, people didn't go on these sorts of shooting sprees 50 years ago. They had guns too, what's the difference? The difference is lack of accountability in people who claim to be victims of society or use mental issues to explain away their actions and the apologists who create permissive environments by explaining away the actions of others.

[bmk1245]

Drayno, on 14 December 2012 - 08:10 PM, said:

[...]We have arms in order to defend our freedoms - which either come from our humanity, or come from our government - which side of the argument indicates your political views... We have arms in order to redress our government if we deem it fit - to abolish the power of those who do not do their job..
[...]

So, did you used arms to redress government? Guess not. All words....

Drayno, on 14 December 2012 - 08:10 PM, said:

[...] to abolish the power of those who do not do their job..
[...]

Hmmm, if someone will come up with an idea you are not doing your job, is he permitted to gun you? Those folks (some of them outright morons) in government are just like you, me, and the other guy/gal.

[Dredimus]

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[Jeremiah65]

Dredimus, on 14 December 2012 - 07:05 PM, said:

Actually that is determined by mods and the forum rules.... They are posted on the site if you would care to read them.

Whatever....I have only observed a couple of people thinking this was "their" thread.

I digressed anyway so keep your outrageous-ness to yourself from this point forward.

If I feel like commenting...I will and as long as it has relevance to the tragedy and the thread and is not vulgar or attacking another poster...it is within T & C...find a empty chair to talk to...

[RockabyeBillie]

Drayno, on 14 December 2012 - 08:28 PM, said:

Maybe they're afraid he's involved to some degree? I wouldn't go so far as to say they're arresting him for his own safety.

If he's been arrested, they probably believe they're is some conspiracy.

I was told the brother was the one hiding in the woods nearby.

[F3SS]

odas, on 14 December 2012 - 05:22 PM, said:

If your child was one of the innocent victims would you give then such an answer?
Enouhg already with the gun desire. Yes, guns do kill, faster then the cigarret.

I would definitely desire to get a gun and settle this with personal justice. One in each foot, one in each knee cap, one in each hand, one in each bicep, one right next to each ear to make him def, one near each eye to sear them and blind him the one in then nuts and let the bleeding take its course. Truth is, I'm not violent and probably couldn't but that's what I would like to do if it was my kid.
The guy they caught should be strung up in the streets to be stoned. Sometimes old fashioned justice just seems reasonable.

Edited by -Mr_Fess-, 14 December 2012 - 08:34 PM.

[Maizer]

What a horrible tragedy. Pisses me off. wtf wtfwtf This is one of the few things I envy about Japan and China. They have a very, very strict gun ban. Just yesterday some guy in China went crazy with a knife at a elementary school. 20 something kids injured but zero killed.

[RockabyeBillie]

Quote from a teacher:
Hero teacher Kaitlin Roig tells ABC News that she barricaded her first grade students in classroom bathroom and locked the door when she first heard gun shots. “The kids were being so good. They asked: ‘Can we go see if anyone is out there? … I just want Christmas… I don’t want to die, I just want to have Christmas.’ I said, you’re going to have Christmas and Hanukkah.. I tried to be positive.”

[Star of the Sea]

Just want to say to my fellow Americans that I'm so sorry to hear this appalling news. It can't get any worse than shooting little kiddies... my heart goes out to all the families concerned.

[Kafkaesque]

bmk1245, on 14 December 2012 - 08:28 PM, said:

So, did you used arms to redress government? Guess not. All words....


Hmmm, if someone will come up with an idea you are not doing your job, is he permitted to gun you? Those folks (some of them outright morons) in government are just like you, me, and the other guy/gal.

I did not want to respond, but it seems I have no choice..

I have not used arms to redress government, personally, no. I don't seek out violence.

There have been many institutions changed through revolution or redress, however. And the founders of this country believed in the right to redress government.

As for the statement I made about abolishing the power of those in charge, either you're accidentally taking it out of context, or you deliberately are seeking some form of debate. The redress of government is reserved for those in tyrannical positions of power. Sic Semper Tyrannis is the proper slogan to this philosophy; "When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. When the government fears the people, there is liberty." - Thomas Jefferson

Anyways, let's not have this discussion. It was perhaps my mistake for bringing it up on this topic in the first place. I am mature enough to say that to you all. If you want to discuss it elsewhere, I'll create a separate topic for discussion on the second amendment and its relevance in the 21st century..

Any further discussion of the second amendment needs to be off this topic.