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#16    aztek

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 05:24 PM

View Postodas, on 14 December 2012 - 05:22 PM, said:

If your child was one of the innocent victims would you give then such an answer?
Enouhg already with the gun desire. Yes, guns do kill, faster then the cigarret.
the question was simple, what would you do to fix it, if you got nothing to say, than don't,

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 05:25 PM

View Postaztek, on 14 December 2012 - 05:24 PM, said:

the question was simple, what would you do to fix it, if you got nothing to say, than don't,

We should ban schools.  If no one's there, it won't happen.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 05:26 PM

View Postaztek, on 14 December 2012 - 05:15 PM, said:

you mean you trying to fix the problem?? lol, how??? tell us what would you do to make sure it wont happen again.

Well I would try to make it harder for people, especially crazy people to get guns. Would that fix the problem? I don't know...apparently if we take their guns aways, they will use knives. If you take their knives away they will strap bombs to themselves and blow themselves up...I guess we will become the Middle East...oddly enough Westerners have no problem stereotyping all Middle Easterners as crazy suicide bombers, when in reality we do the exact same thing...

Will getting rid of guns get rid of crazy people? No...but making guns harder for crazy people to get will cut down on the number of shootings. At least I would like to see something done, whether it works or not, rather than just sit there and say "oh well." You may say it is a pointless battle, but isn't everything in politics? Isn't oppressing gays giving rich people more money a worthless battle? The difference is how much you care about the topic. If you do not care about the gun topic it is probably because you like shooting your gun...

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 05:27 PM

Don't let this descend into an gun control argument.  It's a tragedy...period.  Getting on a soapboxPosted Image for or against guns will never stop violence against other human beings...ever.

When crazy people want to kill, they will find a way...You can bash someone's head in with a hammer or a rock...banning them will not stop it from happening.

Inb4...no, I don't own a firearm of any kind...Considering the world we live in, I'd prob use it on myself.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 05:33 PM

View PostCommunitarianKevin, on 14 December 2012 - 05:26 PM, said:

Well I would try to make it harder for people, especially crazy people to get guns. Would that fix the problem? I don't know...apparently if we take their guns aways, they will use knives. If you take their knives away they will strap bombs to themselves and blow themselves up...I guess we will become the Middle East...oddly enough Westerners have no problem stereotyping all Middle Easterners as crazy suicide bombers, when in reality we do the exact same thing...

Will getting rid of guns get rid of crazy people? No...but making guns harder for crazy people to get will cut down on the number of shootings. At least I would like to see something done, whether it works or not, rather than just sit there and say "oh well." You may say it is a pointless battle, but isn't everything in politics? Isn't oppressing gays giving rich people more money a worthless battle? The difference is how much you care about the topic. If you do not care about the gun topic it is probably because you like shooting your gun...
so, you got nothing in mind, that will have any effect, but you willing to fight battles that are proven to be useless. cool. btw, no need to bring gays, or rich, into it, and also try not to be behavior specialist here, you have no idea what i like, you only making yourself look ........,

btw, it is illegal for crazy ppl to have guns already, same for felons. there is enough laws on books already.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 05:34 PM

Now they're reporting the number of children murdered is in the double digits.  Maybe they should just wait until they know for sure.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 05:35 PM

View PostSweetpumper, on 14 December 2012 - 05:34 PM, said:

Now they're reporting the number of children murdered is in the double digits.  Maybe they should just wait until they know for sure.

Also heard the principal and school psychologist are confirmed dead, and one of the shooters was a student's father.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 05:37 PM

View Postaztek, on 14 December 2012 - 05:33 PM, said:

so, you got nothing in mind, that will have any effect, but you willing to fight battles that are proven to be useless. cool. btw, no need to bring gays, or rich, into it, and also try not to be behavior specialist here, you have no idea what i like, you only making yourself look ........,

Proven to be useless? How many non-gun related tragedies have happened lately? Tell ya what...lets get rid of all the guns so I can be "proven" wrong. And I can bring other issues into this. It is called an analogy. Do you know what an analogy is or what they are used for?

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 05:38 PM

I'm staying out of this battle.

Very sad this keeps happening. :(

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 05:40 PM

Can we not fight about gun laws and get back to the topic at hand! Kids are dead or wounded here. Now is not the time.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 05:43 PM

View PostCommunitarianKevin, on 14 December 2012 - 05:37 PM, said:

Proven to be useless? lets get rid of all the guns so I can be "proven" wrong.
lol, yes useless. there are planty of non gun related crimes\assults\death. good luck getting rid of guns, we can't get rid of drugs, despite billions wasted on war on drugs. so like i said, you have no solution in mind, you can't even imagine what it would look like.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 05:43 PM

Ya'll just ain't gonna let it go are ya?  Never let a terrible tragedy go to waste.

How about...we focus on something else...like...why is the lame stream media still allowed to issue doom and fear mongering crap under hashtag "unconfirmed reports"?

How come the live feeds show a fairly calm scene but the overhead shots show all kinda activity down the street?  What is happening down the street?  Is it just the parents picking up their kids at the fire station or is it something else?

I was very saddened when I heard this today.  My wife asked me if I thought people were going crazy and snapping cause they thinkk the "end of the world" is next week?  She then asked "Do you think this will keep happening and get worse?  All I could say was "maybe"..."Maybe some folks are so weak minded that the stress of this bull**** date is more than they can bear and they snap.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 05:45 PM

Just came across the news...

At least 27 dead...still not "confirmed".

Calling it the worst shooting ever.

See?  This is why the news should not be able to release anything until all the facts are known...causes fear, panic, rage, depression.

Totally irresponsible reporting in my opinion.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 05:49 PM

Update .
100 rounds heard go off .At least 20,shot .Bodies in the hallways . Total dead count Unk .
One of the shooters ,appears to be father of a student .
Room to room search going on now.
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Posted 14 December 2012 - 05:50 PM

View PostJeremiah65, on 14 December 2012 - 05:27 PM, said:

Don't let this descend into an gun control argument.  It's a tragedy...period.  Getting on a soapboxPosted Image for or against guns will never stop violence against other human beings...ever.

When crazy people want to kill, they will find a way...You can bash someone's head in with a hammer or a rock...banning them will not stop it from happening.

Inb4...no, I don't own a firearm of any kind...Considering the world we live in, I'd prob use it on myself.

But it is a gun control argument.

Why do these incidents happen more in America than elsewhere?

Obviously it's much more complex than that. People can still access guns where their possession is illegal, and it won't stop people being mad. But a madman with a gun can do more damage more quickly than one without.

And there are many countries where people have access to guns but these things don't occur with such alarming regularity. It's not just mass shootings. Last week a bloke shot his young son to death.......accidentally.

It is a tragedy. But shrugging your shoulders and saying "What's to do about it?" will ensure that there will be a series of tragedies.





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