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#61    Drayno

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 04:37 AM

View PostMaizer, on 15 December 2012 - 04:35 AM, said:

An outright ban on guns except in some very small circumstances is the way to go. Make it highly illegal, offer buybacks, offer not to ID guns handed in, etc etc. If we can invade 2 countries, tear them down and build them up again with a few trillion dollars, irradicating guns from society is a matter of willpower.

The other alternative is arming children. And I'm sure the founding fathers weren't expecting how powerful and cheap firearms would get.

If you seriously believe an outright ban on guns is the way to go you must really want to live in a totalitarian government.

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 04:40 AM

View PostDrayno, on 15 December 2012 - 04:37 AM, said:

If you seriously believe an outright ban on guns is the way to go you must really want to live in a totalitarian government.

It's far more realistic to worry about another man going insane with a cheap gun at his fingertips than some fantasy government oppression.

View PostDredimus, on 14 December 2012 - 07:21 PM, said:

Ive come to the conclusion that you cant stop a criminal from getting their hands on a weapon if they want one. By setting up tighter regulations it will only make it harder for those that are resposible citizens to obtain firearms for legal purposes.

The idea is that with a gun ban would come with an attempt with cleansing guns from society. We should at least try it before giving up and arming our children.


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Posted 15 December 2012 - 04:49 AM

View PostMaizer, on 15 December 2012 - 04:40 AM, said:

It's far more realistic to worry about another man going insane with a cheap gun at his fingertips than some fantasy government oppression.



The idea is that with a gun ban would come with an attempt with cleansing guns from society. We should at least try it before giving up and arming our children.

It's not fantasy... Go ahead and ask the Germans and the Russians what happened when they had their guns taken away.

Oh, I forgot, they couldn't say anything because their governments transformed into Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia.

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 04:51 AM

View PostDrayno, on 15 December 2012 - 04:49 AM, said:

It's not fantasy... Go ahead and ask the Germans and the Russians what happened when they had their guns taken away.

Oh, I forgot, they couldn't say anything because their governments transformed into Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia.

OK let me rephrase. I'm far more worried about the next introvert snapping, finding a gun somewhere and driving to a school or workplace, than the U.S. turning into a fascist dictatorship, which is right there with worrying about alien invasions. With today's social media and communication tools, it seems dictators are on the way out.

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 04:57 AM

View PostMaizer, on 15 December 2012 - 04:51 AM, said:

OK let me rephrase. I'm far more worried about the next introvert snapping, finding a gun somewhere and driving to a school or workplace, than the U.S. turning into a fascist dictatorship, which is right there with worrying about alien invasions.

The minute you start blurring the lines between what has been historically proven to happen - in textbook political science based off of the selfish interests of men, and fiction, you are the victim of idiocy and blindness. Your worries about some introvert are justified. However, you should be worried about the legitimacy of fascist regimes.

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 05:01 AM

View PostDrayno, on 15 December 2012 - 04:49 AM, said:

It's not fantasy... Go ahead and ask the Germans and the Russians what happened when they had their guns taken away.
Oh, I forgot, they couldn't say anything because their governments transformed into Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia.

Or you could ask the Australians what happened when their government took away all their guns in the 90s.

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 05:06 AM

View PostDrayno, on 15 December 2012 - 04:57 AM, said:

The minute you start blurring the lines between what has been historically proven to happen - in textbook political science based off of the selfish interests of men, and fiction, you are the victim of idiocy and blindness. Your worries about some introvert are justified. However, you should be worried about the legitimacy of fascist regimes.

Speaking of history, lets also worry about Japan bombing Pearl Harbor again and bomb them first. Or maybe the Chinese should worry about the Mongolians rising up again and eradicate them.

Lessons from history are to be taken, but when you take something that is virtually not going to happen again and use it as an excuse to carry around deadly weapons, thats called illogical idiocy.


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Posted 15 December 2012 - 05:07 AM

View PostMaizer, on 15 December 2012 - 04:35 AM, said:

An outright ban on guns except in some very small circumstances is the way to go. Make it highly illegal, offer buybacks, offer not to ID guns handed in, etc etc. If we can invade 2 countries, tear them down and build them up again with a few trillion dollars, irradicating guns from society is a matter of willpower.

The other alternative is arming children. And I'm sure the founding fathers weren't expecting how powerful and cheap firearms would get.

your posts are so right on this topic..

i dont know anyone in Australia that owns a gun.. we have had gun massacres, but its not nearly as bad as the US..






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Posted 15 December 2012 - 05:09 AM

View Postwith bells on, on 15 December 2012 - 05:07 AM, said:

your posts are so right on this topic..

i dont know anyone in Australia that owns a gun.. we have had gun massacres, but its not nearly as bad as the US..

Thanks. Too bad it took a tragedy for the laws to change. I only fear it's too late, the political backlash too strong, and there are just too many guns for the U.S. to follow course.


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Posted 15 December 2012 - 05:11 AM

View Postwith bells on, on 15 December 2012 - 05:07 AM, said:

your posts are so right on this topic..

i dont know anyone in Australia that owns a gun.. we have had gun massacres, but its not nearly as bad as the US..
We used to have a gun in the house, it was dad's pistol for work (he was a copper).
Now we don't. Mind you, we've a pair of compound bows, some large and sharp kitchen knives and a fairly intimidating Ghurkha knife.

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 05:16 AM

View PostMaizer, on 15 December 2012 - 05:06 AM, said:

Speaking of history, lets also worry about Japan bombing Pearl Harbor again and bomb them first. Or maybe the Chinese should worry about the Mongolians rising up again and eradicate them.

Lessons from history are to be taken, but when you take something that is virtually not going to happen again and use it as an excuse to carry around deadly weapons, thats called illogical idiocy.

In the cases of gun control in the 20th century, such with Germany and Russia, they were cases of Liberal Totalitarianism. Or Liberal censorship.

Governments and gun disarmament never end well for the populace. Australia and the US have different histories.

The US government already has authoritarian mechanisms integrated into its government through various bureaucratic means.

Without public opposition, who is to say it will not further utilize even more means of constraining the people?

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 05:20 AM

View PostDrayno, on 15 December 2012 - 05:16 AM, said:

In the cases of gun control in the 20th century, such with Germany and Russia, they were cases of Liberal Totalitarianism. Or Liberal censorship.

Governments and gun disarmament never end well for the populace. Australia and the US have different histories.

The US government already has authoritarian mechanisms integrated into its government through various bureaucratic means.

Without public opposition, who is to say it will not further utilize even more means of constraining the people?

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree then. I honestly think we've come far enough that we'll never turn into Nazi USA. Not to mention dictators are being toppled everywhere over the world.


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Posted 15 December 2012 - 05:23 AM

We need more guns damn it. To stop this crap. Sarcasim :no:  how does a 20 yrs old get a gun a bullet proof vest when he cant even legally drink a beer...........

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 05:24 AM

View PostMaizer, on 15 December 2012 - 05:09 AM, said:



Thanks. Too bad it took a tragedy for the laws to change. I only fear it's too late, the political backlash too strong, and there are just too many guns for the U.S. to follow course.

fixing the gun problem in the US is about as impossible as fixing your healthcare system.. (im assuming you are American?) there is far too much resistance on both issues.. its like pissing in the wind..


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Posted 15 December 2012 - 05:29 AM

View PostMaizer, on 15 December 2012 - 05:20 AM, said:

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree then. I honestly think we've come far enough that we'll never turn into Nazi USA. Not to mention dictators are being toppled everywhere over the world.

Dictators are been toppled by the US to place corporate sponsored dictators; Morsi, a US sponsored ruler dissolving the Egyptian Constitution and the Judiciary, for example. Dictators are being traded for dictators; the faces change, but the intentions have never been far from the same.

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