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#1    markdohle

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 12:34 AM

Natural for us

Giving from the heart is healing.  While sharing from compulsion only adds to deeper hurt and inner turmoil.  Two sides of a coin, the tension is what leads to greater growth in love, or the seeking after control.  Control in the end is impossible, while growth in love is as natural for us as the rain that comes in the spring.



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Posted 15 December 2012 - 12:55 AM

You can't control someone all you can do is hope they love you enough to control themselves.


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Posted 15 December 2012 - 02:11 AM

View PostHilander, on 15 December 2012 - 12:55 AM, said:

You can't control someone all you can do is hope they love you enough to control themselves.
You're much more positive than me. All I hope for is that I can control myself, which experience has taught me isn't always the case.


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Posted 15 December 2012 - 03:33 AM

Call me synical, but after what I've seen within the vast history of the human race, I don't believe that "growth in love is as easy for us as the rain that comes in the spring."

Jesus Christ - Matthew 28:18-20 said:

"All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 06:31 AM

Maybe if history were written by women we'd be exposed to a lot more tender moments. Minute by minute, in millions of families all over the world, I'd bet there's more love & compassion & tenderness than anything else. But those would all be small stories, women's stories, mostly, that few are interested in. I believe Mark is right, growth in love is natural, but it's so quiet, private & intimate that we often don't see it, or when we do see it we fail to see its importance. Yeah, the world can be an awful place, today proves that. However, as we speak, people are comforting one another, sitting quietly with each other, millions are send out prayers, these are our unsung heroes.


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Posted 15 December 2012 - 07:52 AM

View PostHilander, on 15 December 2012 - 12:55 AM, said:

You can't control someone all you can do is hope they love you enough to control themselves.
Being romantically in love has that effect on me, but of course, it goes both ways. Not to be able to control another's actions or decisions is quite humbling, definitely. It's a good thing because I tend to be more understanding, patient, vulnerable, "human," and cuddly.


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Posted 15 December 2012 - 08:14 AM

View PostBeany, on 15 December 2012 - 06:31 AM, said:

I believe Mark is right, growth in love is natural, but it's so quiet, private & intimate that we often don't see it, or when we do see it we fail to see its importance.
I can only speak for myself on this, but I certainly don't take anything for granted when I'm in love. How could I not see its importance! Sometimes one has to lose something to really appreciate its importance -- that's also true, and don't I know it. I'm in the middle of regaining my heaven on earth, so to speak, and becoming a raconteur as a result. In the end, it's beyond my control. I have set the wheel in motion and asking the Power-That-Be to make things deeper and united.


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Posted 15 December 2012 - 11:59 AM

I always gain weight when in love. Does than count as growth.

I think friendship is the key to long lasting love.

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 12:50 PM

View PostBeany, on 15 December 2012 - 02:11 AM, said:

You're much more positive than me. All I hope for is that I can control myself, which experience has taught me isn't always the case.

Yes, knowing that allows compassion for others ;-).

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 12:55 PM

View PostAquilaChrysaetos, on 15 December 2012 - 03:33 AM, said:

Call me synical, but after what I've seen within the vast history of the human race, I don't believe that "growth in love is as easy for us as the rain that comes in the spring."

It is.  Natural things are always diffiuclt.  Like growing a garden, lots of work ;-).  We get into trouble more often than not because we are still stuck with 'us' and 'them'.  It is rampant in politics, racial matters and yes in religion.

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View PostDarkwind, on 15 December 2012 - 11:59 AM, said:

I always gain weight when in love. Does than count as growth.

I think friendship is the key to long lasting love.

LOL thanks for the smile, stay off the chocolates

Peace
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View Postbraveone2u, on 15 December 2012 - 08:14 AM, said:

I can only speak for myself on this, but I certainly don't take anything for granted when I'm in love. How could I not see its importance! Sometimes one has to lose something to really appreciate its importance -- that's also true, and don't I know it. I'm in the middle of regaining my heaven on earth, so to speak, and becoming a raconteur as a result. In the end, it's beyond my control. I have set the wheel in motion and asking the Power-That-Be to make things deeper and united.

Hmmmm very nice and touching as well.

Peace
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View PostBeany, on 15 December 2012 - 06:31 AM, said:

Maybe if history were written by women we'd be exposed to a lot more tender moments. Minute by minute, in millions of families all over the world, I'd bet there's more love & compassion & tenderness than anything else. But those would all be small stories, women's stories, mostly, that few are interested in. I believe Mark is right, growth in love is natural, but it's so quiet, private & intimate that we often don't see it, or when we do see it we fail to see its importance. Yeah, the world can be an awful place, today proves that. However, as we speak, people are comforting one another, sitting quietly with each other, millions are send out prayers, these are our unsung heroes.

Your wisdom again inspires me my friend.

peace
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View PostHilander, on 15 December 2012 - 12:55 AM, said:

You can't control someone all you can do is hope they love you enough to control themselves.

True, love does make demands.

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 02:23 PM

Yes true love makes demands, women want romance and men want, well you know, and if one is made to do without the other will most likely have to also.


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Posted 16 December 2012 - 12:54 AM

View Postmarkdohle, on 15 December 2012 - 12:55 PM, said:

It is.  Natural things are always diffiuclt.  Like growing a garden, lots of work ;-).  We get into trouble more often than not because we are still stuck with 'us' and 'them'.  It is rampant in politics, racial matters and yes in religion.

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LOL thanks for the smile, stay off the chocolates

Peace
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Hmmmm very nice and touching as well.

Peace
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Your wisdom again inspires me my friend.

peace
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True, love does make demands.

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Hey, we're never going to see a headline like "Mother Sacrifices Own Well-being for That of Her Children" or "Father Cuddles With Children." Or "Neighbor Watches Over Neighborhood Elders or "UM Poster Advocates for Love."." but it happens every day thousands of times. It's just not newsworthy material. But you know, our lives consist of strings of small moments, and there, in that string, are the opportunities for wonderful & momentous acts that can reverberate for years.


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Posted 16 December 2012 - 05:12 AM

View PostDarkwind, on 15 December 2012 - 11:59 AM, said:

I think friendship is the key to long lasting love.
I think you're right, my friend; however, many people, including myself at times, blindly traverse into a situation. I agree with Mark on this score: "...the tension is what leads to greater growth in love," or it forces me to go deeper in myself and really follow the teachings of my spiritual practice. It's never easy, but I also find that my belief system helps me keep a clear conscience and trustworthy correspondence (at least on my side of it). So, why did my "friendship(s)" go awry...in general?? People are complex. Some are secretive, or into mind games. There's so much to say.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 05:33 AM

View Postmarkdohle, on 15 December 2012 - 12:55 PM, said:

Like growing a garden, lots of work ;-).
Ain't that the truth! You must be an avid gardener, Mark. I stopped gardening when a love died -- long story. I may or may not take up gardening again, only time will tell, unless a new inspiration hits me over the head.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 07:21 AM

Control of oneself does not necessarily imply one is content with oneself.

The path to peace and growth stems from accepting one's prejudices towards oneself and the world, but not seeking to correct them outright.

By seeking to understand why we do the things we do, we can learn from our mistakes, instead of rushing to change parts of ourselves.

Peace can be found in the decisions we make in the moment, or through how we react to situations in our lives..

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