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[samspade]

cladking, on 19 February 2013 - 05:19 PM, said:

I hope everyone caught Temple's discovery of the most important find at Giza in 120 years.

i can honestly said thats incorrect.  clad.

[cladking]

samspade, on 19 February 2013 - 05:55 PM, said:

i can honestly said thats incorrect.  clad.

Can you say what you believe was more important?

[samspade]

cladking, on 19 February 2013 - 06:40 PM, said:

Can you say what you believe was more important?

hi clad, i could but wont. seems i been dragged into this mystery for a reason, alot more i could add, but wont.

Based on the sphinx temple and  3 other temples, Robert T is basically  is speculating on
the  burial sites of 3 pharohs of giza and a 4th  based on what he views has cable conduits at temples.

R temple insists that its certainly a tomb there of the pharohs of the pyramids of giza without doubt.

geez - flawed logic on his part, especially when one knows alot about ancient egypt and their temples.
Can someone ask him to do more research before reaching such rash absolute conclusions.

so its quite incorrect at this point to claim  Temple's discovery the most important find at Giza in 120 years

but heres more pics for those wishing to see them at this link. http://www.egyptiand....html#supplates

Edited by samspade, 19 February 2013 - 07:47 PM.

[cladking]

samspade, on 19 February 2013 - 07:32 PM, said:

hi clad, i could but wont. seems i been dragged into this mystery for a reason, alot more i could add, but wont.

Based on the sphinx temple and  3 other temples, Robert T is basically  is speculating on
the  burial sites of 3 pharohs of giza and a 4th  based on what he views has cable conduits at temples.

R temple insists that its certainly a tomb there of the pharohs of the pyramids of giza without doubt.

geez - flawed logic on his part, especially when one knows alot about ancient egypt and their temples.
Can someone ask him to do more research before reaching such rash absolute conclusions.

so its quite incorrect at this point to claim  Temple's discovery the most important find at Giza in 120 years

but heres more pics for those wishing to see them at this link. http://www.egyptiand....html#supplates

samspade, on 19 February 2013 - 07:32 PM, said:

hi clad, i could but wont. seems i been dragged into this mystery for a reason, alot more i could add, but wont.

Based on the sphinx temple and  3 other temples, Robert T is basically  is speculating on
the  burial sites of 3 pharohs of giza and a 4th  based on what he views has cable conduits at temples.

R temple insists that its certainly a tomb there of the pharohs of the pyramids of giza without doubt.

geez - flawed logic on his part, especially when one knows alot about ancient egypt and their temples.
Can someone ask him to do more research before reaching such rash absolute conclusions.

so its quite incorrect at this point to claim  Temple's discovery the most important find at Giza in 120 years

but heres more pics for those wishing to see them at this link. http://www.egyptiand....html#supplates

It's not at all my contention that his claim that the kings were buried in the so called
valley temples to be the most important discovery in 120 years.  Indeed, I seriously
doubt that they were buried anywhere because the PT specifically says they were
cremated.  It's possible I'm wrong but that they werwe buried in the valley is largely
supposition and not even as well supported as the supposition they were buried in
the pyramid.

What I believe is the most important discovery at Giza in 120 years is the evidence
represented by this photograph;



I believe this is Atum's ka and the beginning of a new primeval mound.  This is a smo-
king gun that says there is water movement everywhere under the plateau and that
higher CO2 levels in the past is what built the pyramids.

This picture is evidence.  It is extremely important evidence.

[Quaentum]

cladking, on 16 February 2013 - 10:03 PM, said:

This is utter hogwash.  There is evince they had string and birds but that doesn't mean
they tied birds to the stones and trained them to fly them up either.  This isn't the way
reality works.



I've posted the pictures of how all the great pyramids were built on water collection devices more times
than I can count and don't have a picture readily at hand.  The ground was sculpted around the pyramids
to be as flat as a mirror even though the widths varied somewhat and a dam was built around it before
the pyramid was ever even begun.  You can tell this because the water collection device is UNDER the
6 1/2 million ton pyramid.

Check this thread;

http://www.unexplain...e

They didn't just lift one little stone at a time.  They lifted ~18 ton loads at the bottom
and 12 ton loads near the top.  They always had two or three lifters working at a time.

I've lost count of the times I've listed the titles of the builders as well.  You can check
almost any thread but it's probably listed several times in this thread alone;

http://www.unexplain...howtopic=198130

(this thread is still averaging nearly 50 hits per day)

http://www.gizapyram...wpage=aeragrams

The titles are not consistent with the usage of ramps but are consistent with the usage of
water, boats, canals, and lifting things up the side.  The physical evidence also coincides
with this because it is a step pyramid;

http://hdbui.blogspot.com/

The only reason to build a step pyramid is that they could lift the stones no higher than a
step.  It is also far easier to lift them this way and it evidenced in many ways.

I'm not sure we should even refer to "secret caves" any longer since even Hawass now ad-
mits there are caves under here.  This makes sense since the ancient name was "Mouth of
Caves" and there had to be some way to get all the water up here.

The way reality works is we find evidence from literary artistic and physical physical sources to use in making our theories how things were done.  Do the literary works from the time of the pyramid building indicates either ramps or geysers?  No.  Does the artwork from the time of the pyramid building indicate either ramps or geysers?  No.  Is there physical evidence from the time of the pyramid building of ramps or geysers?  I do not know about geysers but the physical evidence of ramps exists.

The only thing you have is the pyramid texts that even you indicate were written long after the pyramids were built.  Do you have evidence that what is written in the PT directly related to the pyramids other than your own interpretation?

Since the Great Pyramid has a hill inside, how do you have a water collection device underneath the pyramid?

Geysers lift straight up, yet as construction continues, taking into account the angle of a pyramid side, and that the taller the geyser is spouting, the shorter the time it lasts, how do they move an 18 ton load of stone from the geyser to the current level of the pyramid that is say 50 feet from the geyser?

[samspade]

cladking, on 19 February 2013 - 09:13 PM, said:

I believe this is Atum's ka and the beginning of a new primeval mound.  This is a smo-
king gun that says there is water movement everywhere under the plateau and that
higher CO2 levels in the past is what built the pyramids.

This picture is evidence.  It is extremely important evidence.

well clearly water under the plateau is not new, and has been mention by others including myself, so that evidence is not new.

before your statement lead me to believe it was robert temple discovery,
now your mentioning c02 and the GP,  so its something your speculating on from temples picture.

something else came to mind about some old comments,
did that  other person release that book about the  Aquifer lifting all the blocks in the gp ever get printed ?
found this link at difference site, but i recall it was mention elsewhere too, “the space / time continuum and relativity and Unified Field Theory”  - being used as “Herodotus Machine”  able to lift 4000 blocks a day with the  average height of the pyramid 240 feet in just 9 hour s.”
http://www.grahamhan...i=37830&t=37830

Edited by samspade, 19 February 2013 - 11:10 PM.

[cladking]

Quaentum, on 19 February 2013 - 09:59 PM, said:

The way reality works is we find evidence from literary artistic and physical physical sources to use in making our theories how things were done.  Do the literary works from the time of the pyramid building indicates either ramps or geysers?  No.  Does the artwork from the time of the pyramid building indicate either ramps or geysers?  No.  Is there physical evidence from the time of the pyramid building of ramps or geysers?

Not only are all those things you simply dismiss out of hand still facts despite your
dismissal but I can add a great many more.  Such as they depicted boats perched
on columns of water and said that Osiris towed the earth by means of balance.  All
the facts support geysers and none support ramps.  It makes people so unhappy
but there were no stone draggers anywhere.  The evidence is what it is and it doesn't
support ramps any more than a five step pyramid could ever support any kind of ramp-
ing system.  Does anyone really think that thje ramps just got steeper wiuth each step
until they achieved nearly 45 degrees to the top step and 90 degrees to the apex???

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The only thing you have is the pyramid texts that even you indicate were written long after the pyramids were built.  Do you have evidence that what is written in the PT directly related to the pyramids other than your own interpretation?

No.  You are mistaken and misinterpreting something I said.

I and almost all the experts and translators of the PT are in general agreemment that
this work PREDATED the great pyramids at least in part.  The PT evolved over time and
our copy is a little different than the ceremony that was used at Atum/ Khufu's ascension.
Atum became Osiris and the ceremonies changed but the rituals were little affected.

1551a. To say: This thy cavern there is the broad-hall of Osiris N..., would have simply
read;

1551a. To say: This thy cavern there is the broad-hall of Atum/ Khufu. in the Great Pyr-
amid building days when Khufu ascended to the iskn.

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Since the Great Pyramid has a hill inside, how do you have a water collection device underneath the pyramid?

It's there.  It's under the pyramid and had to have been made first.  Not even a mountain
would interfere with it and it's just a little 22' high hill so far as we know.

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Geysers lift straight up, yet as construction continues, taking into account the angle of a pyramid side, and that the taller the geyser is spouting, the shorter the time it lasts, how do they move an 18 ton load of stone from the geyser to the current level of the pyramid that is say 50 feet from the geyser?

Mebbe I really do need those drawings.  

Geysers lift water straight up.  The water flowed at 81' 3" to the "queens chamber" from
whence it was channeled to counterweights hanging over the edge.  The counterweights
were attached to a load of stone on the opposite side of the pyramid.  As the counterweight
was filled with water it became heavier than the stones and fell lifting the stones on the other
side.

This is all in evidence and it all appears in the PT.  It's true that the evidence isn't extremely
strong but the fact is ALL the evidence agrees with this.  It's also true that no one else "inter-
prets" (understands) the PT as I do but it's still true that with this "interpretation" it is internally
consistent and it is consistent with all the evidence.  It explains why there are caves here and
it shows why there would be a ben ben growing in the valley temple even today.

[Hawkin]

I don't know about having help from ET but I often wonder if humankind was more advanced then we give them credit for.
Say if they had technology like we do today (or more so) but some catastrophy happened like maybe an asteroid impact
or super volcano erupted and it wiped out a good number of the earth's population. Then people would be in survival mode
until we started to progress and build ourselves up what we are today. Just a theory.

[cladking]

samspade, on 19 February 2013 - 10:21 PM, said:

well clearly water under the plateau is not new, and has been mention by others including myself, so that evidence is not new.

That there is water is not new.  It's that the water on which the powers that be refuse
to do even the most basic testing is heavily laden with minerals is new.  We didn't have
data that this water was calcium carbonate rich until now.

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before your statement lead me to believe it was robert temple discovery,
now your mentioning c02 and the GP,  so its something your speculating on from temples picture.

My theory for quite some time has been that they used CO2 geysers to build.  This
picture is more evidence.  It is not consistent with ramps but it is consistent with geysers
just like all the evidence.

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something else came to mind about some old comments,
did that  other person release that book about the  Aquifer lifting all the blocks in the gp ever get printed ?

Yes.  The book my Chris Jordan that proposes geysers has been printed by Smashwords;

https://www.smashwor...oks/view/276831

It's too early to tell if it's a success but I have to love it.  In time this will be considered a very
important book because it is the first to suggest geysers and the first to be essentially correct.
There's also some great insight in it and is interesting in its own right.

Edited by cladking, 19 February 2013 - 11:45 PM.

[kmt_sesh]

Cladking, what passage(s) in the Pyramid Texts suggests to you that the kings were cremated? This idea was anathema to the Egyptians, especially where the royals were concerned.

[cladking]

kmt_sesh, on 20 February 2013 - 12:12 AM, said:

Cladking, what passage(s) in the Pyramid Texts suggests to you that the kings were cremated? This idea was anathema to the Egyptians, especially where the royals were concerned.

There are actually quite a few that appear to support this idea. Most are difficult to extract because
of the nature of the language which expressed meaning in context rather than by direct statement,
I believe.  Essentially these lines all say that the dead king was transformed into Atum/ Osiris (the gey-
ser) when he was cremated on top of the incomplete pyramid at the east side 'iskn.

The most dramatic and easiest to see is;

376a. To say: The fire is laid, the fire shines;
376b. the incense is laid on the fire, the incense shines.
376c. Thy fragrance comes to N., O Incense; the fragrance of N. comes to thee, O Incense.
377a. Your fragrance comes to N., O ye gods; the fragrance of N. comes to you, O ye gods.
377b. May N. be with you, O ye gods; may you be with N., O ye gods.
377c. May N. live with you, O ye gods; may you live with N., O ye gods.

2053b. They take N. to heaven, to heaven-on the smoke of incense.

Of course there are other interpretations but these other interpretations require that
we accept that the PT contradicts itself over and over and has numerous grammatical
errors. I just don't believe there are contradictions and errors and it's interpretation that
makes these appear.

I know we believe now days that the body of the king was all-important to the eternal life
of the king and truth to tell I don't think an ancient Egyptian would necessarily object to
this belief.  However, I believe that they considered the pyramid itself to be the king's body
once he was transmogrified and he could still commune with his ba in heaven.  Indeed, one
of the chief reasons they probably adopted the custom of burning the body was to protect
it from rotting.

He wasn't destroyed by the flame but merely changed;

323d. N. will not be delivered up to your flame, O gods.

He was released from his mummy wrappings by the flames.

1555a. "Deliver N. from his bandages, which restrain (?) the living, O gods,"

[DieChecker]

cladking, on 19 February 2013 - 09:13 PM, said:

What I believe is the most important discovery at Giza in 120 years is the evidence
represented by this photograph;



I believe this is Atum's ka and the beginning of a new primeval mound.  This is a smo-
king gun that says there is water movement everywhere under the plateau and that
higher CO2 levels in the past is what built the pyramids.

This picture is evidence.  It is extremely important evidence.

That is a most interesting picture Clad.

I'm not sure of the orientation of this picture. Are we looking into some kind of horizontal tunnel with the colored "mound" on the floor. Because to me it almost appears like the picture is upside down, with rocks and dirt on the floor and the colored mound on the ceiling.

 upside down.jpg   54.88K   9 downloads

[cladking]

DieChecker, on 20 February 2013 - 12:56 AM, said:

That is a most interesting picture Clad.

I'm not sure of the orientation of this picture. Are we looking into some kind of horizontal tunnel with the colored "mound" on the floor. Because to me it almost appears like the picture is upside down, with rocks and dirt on the floor and the colored mound on the ceiling.

upside down.jpg

Great point. Your interpretation is more in keeping with the picture.  I hadn't noticed it.

I'm sticking with the photographer's explanation for now and just assuming voids where
there is black and that the thing is at an angle.  If he's being truthful that he is seeing some-
thing "percolating up then the  this accumulation has to be perfectly flat.  It is puzzling.

"A closeup of the very strange hole opening into the southern so-called ‘water drainage channel’ in the Sphinx Temple. The massive limestone block lying on top makes access and proper inspection of this channel difficult for anyone larger than a rodent, and although I know some people who might qualify for that description, I would not trust their judgement. The bizarre red, white, and yellow mineral encrustations here are puzzling, and I cannot explain them. I looked at them as closely as I could, and the more closely I looked the more puzzled I became. They seem to be bubbling up from something, with layers of encrustation being successively deposited on top of earlier layers. Perhaps the ‘efflux of Osiris’ is leaking upwards! "

[samspade]

cladking, on 19 February 2013 - 11:42 PM, said:

That there is water is not new.  It's that the water on which the powers that be refuse
to do even the most basic testing is heavily laden with minerals is new.  We didn't have
data that this water was calcium carbonate rich until now.

My theory for quite some time has been that they used CO2 geysers to build.  This
picture is more evidence.  It is not consistent with ramps but it is consistent with geysers
just like all the evidence.

Yes.  The book my Chris Jordan that proposes geysers has been printed by Smashwords;

I Dont think you read the link i gave at the graham handcock site, or look at the figures i gave that were mentioned, otherwise you would of known it was Anthony book about water mechansism lifting blocks in the GP and geyser..

my comments was based not of Chris Jordon but actually it was mentioned by someone else named Chris  T and mention Anthony forthcoming book in 2010,  which it appears he mentioned a patent and a forthcoming book and that was also forthcoming  in 2001,

Anthony discussed  geyser and the figures He gave to Chris T not this chris jordon fellow.
then chris T mentioned in a thread of 2010.

seems like no book was published based on the 2 threads i see which they mention .
“the space / time continuum and relativity and Unified Field Theory”
heres that link again since you didnt seem to read it
http://www.grahamhan...i=37830&t=37830

the book you list here mentions the GP and rainmaker, does not mention geyser in the review there,

you mention your chris jordan so  is he a friend of yours you personally know  other than from online?

Edited by samspade, 20 February 2013 - 02:10 AM.

[cladking]

samspade, on 20 February 2013 - 01:38 AM, said:

I Dont think you read the link i gave at the graham handcock site, or look at the figures i gave that were mentioned, otherwise you would of known it was Anthony book about water mechansism lifting blocks in the GP and geyser..

my comments was based not of Chris Jordon but actually it was mentioned by someone else named Chris  T and mention Anthony forthcoming book in 2010,  which it appears he mentioned a patent and a forthcoming book and that was also forthcoming  in 2001,

Anthony discussed  geyser and the figures He gave to Chris T not this chris jordon fellow.
then chris T mentioned in a thread of 2010.

seems like no book was published based on the 2 threads i see which they mention .
“the space / time continuum and relativity and Unified Field Theory”
heres that link again since you didnt seem to read it
http://www.grahamhan...i=37830&t=37830

the book you list here mentions the GP and rainmaker, does not mention geyser in the review there,

I couldn't even read the whole thread.  I believe there is a high probability when I see this
sort of thing that it is intentional misdirection.  If you have a "paradigm shift" concerning something
so basic as gravity you won't get my attention until things start floating in the air.  This ain't never
gonna happen and mother nature has made this pretty clear.  It's hardly impossible that we might
someday be able to manipulate gravity but it's not going to happen before we understand its nature
and we still don't.  I doubt this is our mutual friend Anthony since his writing style is so dissimilar.  It's
not the sort of thing he'd say either except as an April fools joke or something.

I don't see any Chris T in the thread and don't remember anyone posting about CO2 geysers other
than Chris Jordan.  I could have missed it and would go look if you had any clues.  A search doesn't
turn up anything.

I guess I'll poke around a little more in that thread afterall.





edited to add that on further perusal there is some similarity in knowledge base of the 'two Anthonys".

reedited to say it is he;  http://www.grahamhan...i=37924&t=37830

Edited by cladking, 20 February 2013 - 04:02 AM.