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Posted 24 December 2012 - 08:52 PM

View PostStellar, on 24 December 2012 - 08:45 PM, said:

How easy it must be to put words in the mouth of a dead man...

Correct. And we have to know that Jefferson was more talking about the right to use an arm on your property and to use it when called by your country. Very little did he say that would  justify a gun-slinging society.  But, as I said before, if 50% +1 decide they want a gun slinging society that is how it is.

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 09:01 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 24 December 2012 - 08:52 PM, said:

Correct. And we have to know that Jefferson was more talking about the right to use an arm on your property and to use it when called by your country. Very little did he say that would  justify a gun-slinging society.  But, as I said before, if 50% +1 decide they want a gun slinging society that is how it is.
The FF continuously warned of the creeping corruption of government and the need to be able to defend against it.. Tyrannical governments ALWAYS take the guns from the citizens first.  They understand the power of numbers and how it would put stop to their plans.

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 09:04 PM

I'm continually amazed at gun nuts who advocate insurrection.

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 09:04 PM

View Postand then, on 24 December 2012 - 09:01 PM, said:

The FF continuously warned of the creeping corruption of government and the need to be able to defend against it.. Tyrannical governments ALWAYS take the guns from the citizens first.  They understand the power of numbers and how it would put stop to their plans.

Still does not justify putting words never intended by Jefferson into his mouth.

And again: for all I care you can keep your gun, as long as you are held liable for every penny of damage it causes by your intent or by your neglect.

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 09:07 PM

The sole purpose of a gun is to kill!!!!  It doesn't have any other use!!!!
Children are being slaughtered across the Nation with guns, not a baseball bat,
not with knives, not with garden tools or bows and arrows!!
hear is a link by AP about young little kids that are killed by guns:

http://xfinity.comca...eaths.Firearms/

first-grader Luke Schuster, 6, was shot to death in New Town, N.D. Six-year-olds John Devine Jr. and Jayden Thompson were similarly killed in Kentucky and Texas.
Veronica Moser-Sullivan, 6, died in a mass shooting at a movie theater in Aurora, Colo., while 6-year-old Kammia Perry was slain by her father outside her Cleveland home
Julio Segura-McIntosh died in Tacoma, Wash. The 3-year-old accidentally shot himself in the head while playing with a gun he found inside a car.

Alyssa Celaya, 8, bled to death after being shot by her father with a .38-caliber gun at the Tule River Indian Reservation in California. Her grandmother and two brothers also were killed, a younger sister and brother were shot and wounded. The father shot and killed himself amid a hail of gunfire from officers.

Delric Miller's life ended at 9 months and Angel Mauro Cortez Nava's at 14 months.

Faith Ehlen, 22 months, Autumn Cochran, 10, and Alyssa Cochran, 11, all died Sept. 6. Their mother killed them with the shotgun before turning it on herself.

In Dundee, Ore., Randall Engels used a gun to kill his estranged wife Amy Engels and their children, Jackson, 11, and Bailey, 13, while they were at the table eating pizza on the Fourth of July. The children were each shot twice. Engels also shot and killed himself.

Many of the children who died in 2012 were shot with guns that belonged to their parents, relatives or baby sitters, or were simply in the home.
But even people trained in gun use slip up — and the mistakes are costly.

A Springville, Utah, police officer had a non-service gun in his home that officials said did not have external safeties. His 2-year-old son found the gun and shot himself on Sept. 11.
Amari Markel-Purrel Perkins, of Clinton, Md. He shot himself in the chest on April 9 with a gun that an adult had stashed inside a Spiderman backpack.
These and many more children's lives are cut short by being shot with a gun!!!  It's obvious that guns are the weapon of choice (most of the time), when
some looneytune decides to commit murder!!!!
Children's lives are more important than the "right to own a gun"!!!!!!
The second Amendment is outdated by over 200 years!!!!


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Posted 24 December 2012 - 09:24 PM

View PostStellar, on 24 December 2012 - 08:45 PM, said:

How easy it must be to put words in the mouth of a dead man...

Yeah and how sad at how people twist his words to advocate for killing machines


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Posted 24 December 2012 - 09:25 PM

View Postninjadude, on 24 December 2012 - 09:04 PM, said:

I'm continually amazed at gun nuts who advocate insurrection.

Yeah, I understand completely when they say they need one for home protection. But to advocate government going rogue conspiracy theories? Yeah good one.


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Posted 24 December 2012 - 09:27 PM

View Postarcher95446, on 24 December 2012 - 09:07 PM, said:

The sole purpose of a gun is to kill!!!!  It doesn't have any other use!!!!
Children are being slaughtered across the Nation with guns, not a baseball bat,
not with knives, not with garden tools or bows and arrows!!
hear is a link by AP about young little kids that are killed by guns:

http://xfinity.comca...eaths.Firearms/

first-grader Luke Schuster, 6, was shot to death in New Town, N.D. Six-year-olds John Devine Jr. and Jayden Thompson were similarly killed in Kentucky and Texas.
Veronica Moser-Sullivan, 6, died in a mass shooting at a movie theater in Aurora, Colo., while 6-year-old Kammia Perry was slain by her father outside her Cleveland home
Julio Segura-McIntosh died in Tacoma, Wash. The 3-year-old accidentally shot himself in the head while playing with a gun he found inside a car.

Alyssa Celaya, 8, bled to death after being shot by her father with a .38-caliber gun at the Tule River Indian Reservation in California. Her grandmother and two brothers also were killed, a younger sister and brother were shot and wounded. The father shot and killed himself amid a hail of gunfire from officers.

Delric Miller's life ended at 9 months and Angel Mauro Cortez Nava's at 14 months.

Faith Ehlen, 22 months, Autumn Cochran, 10, and Alyssa Cochran, 11, all died Sept. 6. Their mother killed them with the shotgun before turning it on herself.

In Dundee, Ore., Randall Engels used a gun to kill his estranged wife Amy Engels and their children, Jackson, 11, and Bailey, 13, while they were at the table eating pizza on the Fourth of July. The children were each shot twice. Engels also shot and killed himself.

Many of the children who died in 2012 were shot with guns that belonged to their parents, relatives or baby sitters, or were simply in the home.
But even people trained in gun use slip up — and the mistakes are costly.

A Springville, Utah, police officer had a non-service gun in his home that officials said did not have external safeties. His 2-year-old son found the gun and shot himself on Sept. 11.
Amari Markel-Purrel Perkins, of Clinton, Md. He shot himself in the chest on April 9 with a gun that an adult had stashed inside a Spiderman backpack.
These and many more children's lives are cut short by being shot with a gun!!!  It's obvious that guns are the weapon of choice (most of the time), when
some looneytune decides to commit murder!!!!
Children's lives are more important than the "right to own a gun"!!!!!!
The second Amendment is outdated by over 200 years!!!!

Sad to think how many lives were saved if there was only a knife or bat available. A lot of murderers would be too coward to stab someone or get bashed in the face after harming a fraction of people than if they had a gun.


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Posted 24 December 2012 - 10:34 PM

View PostMaizer, on 24 December 2012 - 09:27 PM, said:

Sad to think how many lives were saved if there was only a knife or bat available. A lot of murderers would be too coward to stab someone or get bashed in the face after harming a fraction of people than if they had a gun.
If reality is contained by the selective attention to none but the most outlandish of gun crimes as focused on by our media, then yeah.   But I'll need evidence to believe your opinion that murderers in the US are more cowardly than their European counterparts and need guns to kill with.

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 10:45 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 24 December 2012 - 08:52 PM, said:

Correct. And we have to know that Jefferson was more talking about the right to use an arm on your property and to use it when called by your country. Very little did he say that would  justify a gun-slinging society.  But, as I said before, if 50% +1 decide they want a gun slinging society that is how it is.
Please, spare us the Jefferson propaganda.

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"What country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time that its people preserve the spirit of resistance?   Let them take arms."  -- Thomas Jefferson

"As to the species of exercise, I advise the gun. While this gives [only] moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise, and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun, therefore, be the constant companion to your walks." -- Thomas Jefferson

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 10:48 PM

View PostYamato, on 24 December 2012 - 10:45 PM, said:

Please, spare us the Jefferson propaganda.

"The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it always to be kept alive. It will often be exercised when wrong, but better so than not to be exercised at all. I like a little rebellion now and then. It is like a storm in the Atmosphere."  -- Thomas Jefferson

"What country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time that its people preserve the spirit of resistance?   Let them take arms."  -- Thomas Jefferson

"As to the species of exercise, I advise the gun. While this gives [only] moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise, and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun, therefore, be the constant companion to your walks." -- Thomas Jefferson

And besides that, as long as you have a voice you have no right to rebel. We know. I believe you have a voice, even if you are pretty alone with your opinion. And imposing the will of the minority on the majority is something that none of the founding fathers would have approved of.

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 10:50 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 24 December 2012 - 10:48 PM, said:

And besides that, as long as you have a voice you have no right to rebel. We know. I believe you have a voice, even if you are pretty alone with your opinion. And imposing the will of the minority on the majority is something that none of the founding fathers would have approved of.
What am I imposing on the majority?  The 2nd Amendment?   The founders approved of that, obviously.   Derp!

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 10:52 PM

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What am I imposing on the majority?  The 2nd Amendment?   The founders approved of that, obviously.   Derp!

If the majority seez goodbye second amendment it is goodbye second amendment. The reason why those things are called amendments is so they could be changed or abolished as time required and as society evolved.

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 10:55 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 24 December 2012 - 10:52 PM, said:

If the majority seez goodbye second amendment it is goodbye second amendment. The reason why those things are called amendments is so they could be changed or abolished as time required and as society evolved.
BS, liberal.   You want to kill the 2nd Amendment?   Super majority and 3/4ths of the states to ratify it.  Good luck.

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 11:08 PM

View PostMaizer, on 24 December 2012 - 09:25 PM, said:

Yeah, I understand completely when they say they need one for home protection. But to advocate government going rogue conspiracy theories? Yeah good one.

Either you are a troll, or very stupid

If you're calling me a conspiracy theorist because I know that governments have no conscience, and have the ability to kill their citizens - as many governments in the past have done - then you are deliberately ignoring the facts regarding the millions of *disarmed* citizens killed by their governments, and violating common sense in a very reckless and unintelligent manner.

@ questionmark - The ability of the people to bare arms shall not be infringed. What do you not get about that?

I don't care if half the country is drinking the koolaid and think it's a good idea to take away their own rights.

They can hand in their guns, they can hand over their rights - because they're putting themselves on a serving tray for the government.

In other words, democracy at its finest - the wolves outvoting the sheep - but first the government has to spin the public against our ability to defend ourselves through the liberal media and use it as a banner to recruit more wolves. They can get more wolves, but I know how to put wolves down.


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