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[Winter Summer]

Freedom of Information Act in the UK filed by a doctor there has revealed 30 years of secret official documents showing that government experts have:

1. Known the vaccines don’t work
2. Known they cause the diseases they are supposed to prevent
3. Known they are a hazard to children
4. Colluded to lie to the public
5. Worked to prevent safety studies

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Those are the same vaccines that are mandated to children in the US.

Edited by Winter Summer, 19 December 2012 - 04:36 PM.

[Simbi Laveau]

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Thank you

If I had posted this,a bunch of merry haters would jump all over it,claiming I have no medical knowledge or expertise ,and I'm a conspiracy nut.

People stupidly ,and blindly ,give this poison to their kids,in,amounts that boggle the mind,but vaccine injuries aren't real,and autism is caused by sitting on a dirty toilet seat,et al .

[Winter Summer]

Normally I wouldn't have paid much attention to this news, but since it's backed up by documents, it caught my attention.

[Hasina]

VERY interesting and illuminating.

[Br Cornelius]

I have a simple question for people;
1. Did Vaccines eliminate Small Pox or was it just a coincidence that the most infectious deadly disease all but disappeared in tandem with vaccines to prevent it ?
2. Similarly, why have we seen the almost complete disapprearance of Polio, one of the most endemic and deadly viruses across the known world, again in tandem with a concerted program of vaccination ?

Coincidences ?

All of the claims made in the report maybe entirely true, but they misunderstand the purpose and function of vaccines. They eliminate a disease from a population by allowing it no viable host. The vaccines may cause similar symptoms to the disease at a much reduced rate, but ask yourself when was the last time you saw a man hobbling down the road on crutches due to contacting childhood polio ?

We live in a sophisticated densly populated culture which would be prone to epidemics of previously common disease's if our public health officials failed to make these difficult decisions.

Notice what happens when Measles and Mumps vaccinations drop below critical herd immunity levels - we have small localized epidemics springing up across the country.

Life's hard and we have to make hard value judgements to live it in a tollerable way.

Br Cornelius

Edited by Br Cornelius, 19 December 2012 - 05:00 PM.

[Winter Summer]

The vaccines for Small Pox and Polio were developed prior to this 30 year period.  i.e. long before Big Pharma.
Agreed, they worked.  They were also purer than what's available today.

[Hasina]

But many of the viruses we make vaccines for today mutate far faster then Small Pox or the Polio virus could.

[Simbi Laveau]

Br Cornelius, on 19 December 2012 - 04:59 PM, said:

I have a simple question for people;
1. Did Vaccines eliminate Small Pox or was it just a coincidence that the most infectious deadly disease all but disappeared in tandem with vaccines to prevent it ?
2. Similarly, why have we seen the almost complete disapprearance of Polio, one of the most endemic and deadly viruses across the known world, again in tandem with a concerted program of vaccination ?

Coincidences ?

All of the claims made in the report maybe entirely true, but they misunderstand the purpose and function of vaccines. They eliminate a disease from a population by allowing it no viable host. The vaccines may cause similar symptoms to the disease at a much reduced rate, but ask yourself when was the last time you saw a man hobbling down the road on crutches due to contacting childhood polio ?

We live in a sophisticated densly populated culture which would be prone to epidemics of previously common disease's if our public health officials failed to make these difficult decisions.

Notice what happens when Measles and Mumps vaccinations drop below critical herd immunity levels - we have small localized epidemics springing up across the country.

Life's hard and we have to make hard value judgements to live it in a tollerable way.

Br Cornelius

Vaccines used in the 60s,much like medications of the time,were not all synthetic,and made SOLEY for money .
There are older documented vaccine injuries ,but vaccines that were used for people born in the 60s,and 70s,were actually to help us.
Not anymore.

As kids,we got maybe 5 vaccines. Kids today get 12+,yearly .
Huge difference.
By the time i was 12, i had gotten maybe 6 vaccinations,total.
A child born in the 1990s,has gotten over 50 vaccination by the age of twelve.
That's a bit significant .
All the literature about vaccine injuries,has been covered up ,for years now .
The doctor is no longer our friend .He's the pharmaceutical companies friends ,and that's all .

NY has the strictest vaccine program in the USA.
These are the recommended vaccines for kids ,yearly,thru the age of 17.
As babies,they get more .
Ask a new yorker who's had a child in the last five years.
The human papilloma vaccine killed 24 girls in test trials,and it was covered up .
Now they want boys to get it too.
It's a joke,and the joke is on us .

.. http://www.health.ny...n/immunization/

Edited by Simbi Laveau, 19 December 2012 - 05:38 PM.

[Simbi Laveau]

http://healthypets.m...19_PetsNL_art_1

Be aware,this extends to our pets as well .

[Br Cornelius]

Vaccines work - full stop. They do what they say they do and an arbitrary line cannot be drawn between the 60/70's vaccines and the modern ones.
The original Polio vaccine was said by the developer to have lead to cross infection of humans by various monkey viruses which caused cancers in humans. Tough, that was the price we paid for almost eliminating polio.

I am not an advocate of the current rash of flu/ cervical cancer vaccines - purely on the basis that they are not that necessary - they are a product of an industry selling product. the simple answer is refuse them.

However I am eternally grateful for the polio vaccine, small pox vaccine, yellow fever vaccine, hepatitis vaccines and the MMR vaccine.

Apply a bit of intelligence and don't throw the baby out with the bath water because there is a vocal anti-vaccine campaign who would have us stop all vaccination programs. Dangerous idiots.

Br Cornelius

[Winter Summer]

Thanks for the reminder about pets.

[AsteroidX]

They do work but at what cost. When HPV vaccinations became the going rage for teenagers I think a line was crossed. Chicken Pox...When I was kid wed get thrown together when someone came down with it so we could have and get the damn thing over with. Yes you may get shingles in later life. But is that worth the side effects we may be seeing by adding yet another vaccine.

And what is known about harboring all these vaccines in oor bodies togehter. When we may have been exposed to one disease in realtime. Know we have 20 diseases floating in our bodies. Its out of control.

No we dont want to see a return of these epidemics. But science can surely advamnce this to a safer protocol.

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

Yes, after all humanity on the whole was healthier and longer lived when we didn't immunise.

[Simbi Laveau]

https://www.rxisk.org/Default.aspx

Set up by concerned physicians ,because they feel the public deserves to know all the risks associated with prescription meds .

[Simbi Laveau]

Br Cornelius, on 19 December 2012 - 06:04 PM, said:

Vaccines work - full stop. They do what they say they do and an arbitrary line cannot be drawn between the 60/70's vaccines and the modern ones.
The original Polio vaccine was said by the developer to have lead to cross infection of humans by various monkey viruses which caused cancers in humans. Tough, that was the price we paid for almost eliminating polio.

I am not an advocate of the current rash of flu/ cervical cancer vaccines - purely on the basis that they are not that necessary - they are a product of an industry selling product. the simple answer is refuse them.

However I am eternally grateful for the polio vaccine, small pox vaccine, yellow fever vaccine, hepatitis vaccines and the MMR vaccine.

Apply a bit of intelligence and don't throw the baby out with the bath water because there is a vocal anti-vaccine campaign who would have us stop all vaccination programs. Dangerous idiots.

Br Cornelius

A bit of Intelligence ?
Umm hmmm.
I won't vaccinate my animals .I've had one die from a reaction ,that was enough.
I dont believe anything doctors say anymore,as its all just a money making racket,but hey ,you keep the faith .They depend upon it .