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#46    Big Bad Voodoo

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 03:01 PM

If I have feeling for my sheep and sheep for me, can we marry?

Edited by the L, 23 December 2012 - 03:01 PM.

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 03:02 PM

View Postthe L, on 23 December 2012 - 02:57 PM, said:

Yes but age border is set by humans. Some people are not mature in 30s.
Also what about animal new research which show that animals have consciousness.

Daughter of the Nine Moon said that one of the reason for marriage can be emotions. I see that animal can have feelings. So do humans.

You're right, some people aren't mature until their 30s. The key word being some. Should we change the age of consent up for everyone for those people?

I do think animals do have a consciousness on some level and that they do have emotions. Note I've never said a person ad animal can't form a relationship, nor have I condemned it. But an animal isn't a human, they can't consent.

So just take off that disguise, everyone knows that you're only, pretty on the outside
We'll just keep on trying till we run out of cake
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Posted 23 December 2012 - 03:05 PM

View Postshadowhive, on 23 December 2012 - 03:02 PM, said:

they can't consent.

I saw dogs could show with their animal pidgins many things. So as dolphins.

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 03:07 PM

The L, I am having a difficult time believing you are being serious and not being intentionally provoking.

You are equating gay marriage to bestiality?

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 03:08 PM

View Postthe L, on 23 December 2012 - 03:05 PM, said:

I saw dogs could show with their animal pidgins many things. So as dolphins.

They can be trained to do thse things, that's not consent.

So just take off that disguise, everyone knows that you're only, pretty on the outside
We'll just keep on trying till we run out of cake
No one can tell you who you are
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Posted 23 December 2012 - 03:08 PM

Just saying dont you see that it would open doors for many wierd, uncommon, bizzare loves? You can say what you want but being in love with dog is bizzare and pervert.
Last thing what I want to see is Zoo parade. But I can see it comes. There is room left for it, imo. One could ask for rights.

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 03:13 PM

View PostDaughter of the Nine Moons, on 23 December 2012 - 03:07 PM, said:

The L, I am having a difficult time believing you are being serious and not being intentionally provoking.

You are equating gay marriage to bestiality?

Not at all Daughter of the Nine Moons.One of close person of me is gay and I dont have nothing against it.
Im not equating gay marriage to bestiality. But I can draw parallel between rights for love each other. You cant?

I try to set up thought experiment.
Woman realy love her dog and her dog realy love her.
Can they marry? By todays laws no. But could gay marriage be ice breaker? Could gay marriage open doors for other kinds of love?

That is point.

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 03:14 PM

Really? Heavens, Joseph, the very Future of Mankind is at stake over a couple of lines in Leviticus (written with reference to the tribes of Israel in about 1000 B.C.) and one a throwaway line from Paul, a man who had a lot to say about a lot of things, mostly to complain about something or other)? If it was that crucial for the future of Mankind, don't you think that Jesus (remember him? You may want to look him up, there's a book about him) might have mentioned something about it? :rolleyes:

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 03:14 PM

L, you are pretty far out here. Marriage between two human beings is not promoting human-animal or human-kitchen table marriage. That is a pretty weak argument against gay marriage, and quite silly at least.

But still, if somebody wants to marry his dog, why not? If the can be a legal heir, why not a partner? But will they answer with "yes, I do"? I am not so sure.

Edited by FLOMBIE, 23 December 2012 - 03:15 PM.


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Posted 23 December 2012 - 03:14 PM

View Postthe L, on 23 December 2012 - 03:08 PM, said:

Just saying dont you see that it would open doors for many wierd, uncommon, bizzare loves? You can say what you want but being in love with dog is bizzare and pervert.
Last thing what I want to see is Zoo parade. But I can see it comes. There is room left for it, imo. One could ask for rights.

If they want to try and get that, that's their buisness. But (and I'll bold this) that is an entirely seperate issue and should not be used as an excuse to prevent gay rights. When will people learn that simple fact?

So just take off that disguise, everyone knows that you're only, pretty on the outside
We'll just keep on trying till we run out of cake
No one can tell you who you are
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Posted 23 December 2012 - 03:15 PM

View Postthe L, on 23 December 2012 - 03:08 PM, said:

Just saying dont you see that it would open doors for many wierd, uncommon, bizzare loves? You can say what you want but being in love with dog is bizzare and pervert.
Last thing what I want to see is Zoo parade. But I can see it comes. There is room left for it, imo. One could ask for rights.
oh, try not to be silly.

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 03:22 PM

A dog can't give consent because they don't speak human language, neither can dolphins. Nor can they sign a contract.  The excuse someone might want to marry their dog is a sad lame excuse for discrimination. It is like saying gay and lesbians are subhuman. There was a time when  interracial marriage was illegal, because blacks were considered subhuman by many people.

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 03:29 PM

View PostDarkwind, on 23 December 2012 - 03:22 PM, said:

A dog can't give consent because they don't speak human language, neither can dolphins. Nor can they sign a contract.  The excuse someone might want to marry their dog is a sad lame excuse for discrimination. It is like saying gay and lesbians are subhuman. There was a time when  interracial marriage was illegal, because blacks were considered subhuman by many people.
I think what it really goes back to is thinking of the sole purpose of women as being in order to breed. A lot of the kind of people who get strongly worked up about this subject see any kind of sex at all as sinful, and only reluctantly condone it in order to breed. They're the kind of people who, as someone once said, are perpetually haunted by the thought that there may be someone, somewhere, having a good time. :-X

Edited by 747400, 23 December 2012 - 03:30 PM.

If, as it seems, we are in the process of becoming a totalitarian society in which the state apparatus is all-powerful, the ethics most important for the survival of the true, free, human individual would be: cheat, lie, evade, fake it, be elsewhere, forge documents, build improved electronic gadgets in your garage that’ll outwit the gadgets used by the authorities.

- Philip K. Dick.


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Posted 23 December 2012 - 03:42 PM

Okay, I will repeat my question again from post 52.


Simply,
Could gay marriage open doors for other kinds of love marriages?

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 03:42 PM

This is getting ridiculous already. Let gay people get marries so they can be as miserable as the rest of us!

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