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The Disappearance of Flight N3808H


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#16    Amerix

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 09:31 PM

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Pilot had 200 hours total time, 10 in an Ercoupe, not instrument rated. A bit green.

It's impossible for a new pilot with very little experience to misidentify an object, and crash.  Completely out of the realm of possibility.  Aliens had to have been behind it.


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Posted 29 December 2012 - 12:48 AM

View PostCpl599, on 28 December 2012 - 09:31 PM, said:

It's impossible for a new pilot with very little experience to misidentify an object, and crash.  Completely out of the realm of possibility.  Aliens had to have been behind it.

You're wrong about this since the UFO was also picked up on radar, and disappeared almost immediately after the plane did.

You should become more familiar with these UFO cases before trying to comment on them.


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Posted 29 December 2012 - 07:42 PM

Mc-G have you ever been to P.R ? its a wonderful place Lots of Pork to eat ! And the Dish to die for . Go before they tear it down ! As for E.T`s  must be a base near by !

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 08:00 PM

View PostCpl599, on 28 December 2012 - 09:31 PM, said:

It's impossible for a new pilot with very little experience to misidentify an object, and crash.  Completely out of the realm of possibility.  [...]
Especially when deprived of the visual cues flying in the dark and over the ocean.

Arguing with fool is like playing chess with pigeon: he will scatter pieces, peck King's crown, crap on bishop, and fly away bragging how he won the game... (heard once, author unknown).
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Posted 30 December 2012 - 08:20 PM

View Postbmk1245, on 29 December 2012 - 08:00 PM, said:

Especially when deprived of the visual cues flying in the dark and over the ocean.

Yes, except that if you read the actual reports there is no evidence at all that he crashed; he was just gone.

Even the device that was supposed to go off if the plane crashed never did so, and the aircraft just vanished without a trace.

Edited by TheMacGuffin, 30 December 2012 - 08:20 PM.


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Posted 31 December 2012 - 01:25 PM

View PostTheMacGuffin, on 30 December 2012 - 08:20 PM, said:

Yes, except that if you read the actual reports there is no evidence at all that he crashed; he was just gone.
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Remind me, how long S. Fossett was searched, and when crash site was found?

In case of 1980 event we are talking about the ocean, 35 miles north of Mona island. From material you posted it is evident that pilot was making prolonged turns- thats a recipe for spatial disorientation (see The Graveyard Spiral) and, consequently, impact, After impact plane could have just sank, leaving no trace.


View PostTheMacGuffin, on 30 December 2012 - 08:20 PM, said:

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Even the device that was supposed to go off if the plane crashed never did so, and the aircraft just vanished without a trace.
Here are few facts about ELTs (see Tables 1-3). Do I have to comment?

Arguing with fool is like playing chess with pigeon: he will scatter pieces, peck King's crown, crap on bishop, and fly away bragging how he won the game... (heard once, author unknown).
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Posted 01 January 2013 - 12:40 AM

View Postbmk1245, on 31 December 2012 - 01:25 PM, said:

Remind me, how long S. Fossett was searched, and when crash site was found?

Here are few facts about ELTs (see Tables 1-3). Do I have to comment?


No, because you have no proof of that, either.  That contributes nothing to this actual case at hand.


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Posted 01 January 2013 - 02:00 AM

View PostDingoLingo, on 01 January 2013 - 01:52 AM, said:

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 10:56 AM

View PostTheMacGuffin, on 01 January 2013 - 12:40 AM, said:

No, because you have no proof of that, either. [...]
While yes, I don't have proof, but there is even less proof plane/crew were abducted/kidnapped by alienz or whatever fantasy you believe in.

Arguing with fool is like playing chess with pigeon: he will scatter pieces, peck King's crown, crap on bishop, and fly away bragging how he won the game... (heard once, author unknown).
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Posted 04 January 2013 - 06:30 AM

View Postbmk1245, on 01 January 2013 - 10:56 AM, said:

While yes, I don't have proof, but there is even less proof plane/crew were abducted/kidnapped by alienz or whatever fantasy you believe in.

There is proof that he was being chased by something and was trying to avoid it, but there is none for what you're suggesting.


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Posted 04 January 2013 - 10:42 PM

View PostTheMacGuffin, on 04 January 2013 - 06:30 AM, said:

There is proof that he was being chased by something and was trying to avoid it, but there is none for what you're suggesting.
Chased?! Show "chased" in air-ground communications. Since when alleged avoidance by crew is regarded as "chasing", huh?

Arguing with fool is like playing chess with pigeon: he will scatter pieces, peck King's crown, crap on bishop, and fly away bragging how he won the game... (heard once, author unknown).
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Posted 04 January 2013 - 10:49 PM

Does anyone know the estimated depth of the water where the plane went down in?  Just because it was "never found" doesn't mean its some nefarious alien plot to steal a plane.  Most ocean depths are still unacceptable by modern rescue equipment, let alone equipment from 30 years ago.

Sorry, your alien theory doesn't hold water (pun intended)


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Posted 04 January 2013 - 11:25 PM

View PostAmerix, on 04 January 2013 - 10:49 PM, said:

Does anyone know the estimated depth of the water where the plane went down in?  Just because it was "never found" doesn't mean its some nefarious alien plot to steal a plane.  Most ocean depths are still unacceptable by modern rescue equipment, let alone equipment from 30 years ago.

Sorry, your alien theory doesn't hold water (pun intended)
Depends on where they actually crashed. Depth of even 100 meters would be enough to "hide" wreckage. 35 miles north of Mona island depths reach 1000 meters and plus (link).

Arguing with fool is like playing chess with pigeon: he will scatter pieces, peck King's crown, crap on bishop, and fly away bragging how he won the game... (heard once, author unknown).
Zhoom! What was that? That was your life, Mate! Oh, that was quick. Do I get another? Sorry, Mate. That's your lot. Basil Fawlty (John Cleese).

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 11:49 PM

View Postzoser, on 25 December 2012 - 12:26 PM, said:

Here is Bruce Gernon's account of his flight though a mysterious cloud in the Berrmuda Triangle in 1970.

http://www.labyrinth...ectronicfog.htm



If this is true then perhaps the aircraft in subject was being shepherded into one of these electromagnetic fields.


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Posted 05 January 2013 - 12:00 AM

View PostOrcseeker, on 04 January 2013 - 11:49 PM, said:

If this is true then perhaps the aircraft in subject was being shepherded into one of these electromagnetic fields.
Right, and were exposed to extreme cavity searches...

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Arguing with fool is like playing chess with pigeon: he will scatter pieces, peck King's crown, crap on bishop, and fly away bragging how he won the game... (heard once, author unknown).
Zhoom! What was that? That was your life, Mate! Oh, that was quick. Do I get another? Sorry, Mate. That's your lot. Basil Fawlty (John Cleese).




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