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#76    Stardrive

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 08:08 PM

View PostSakari, on 01 January 2013 - 06:03 PM, said:

Stardrive,

You are the third person claiming to have a reliable source. Can you verify that please?

That is wanted, and also verification that " quantra " or " Orig-6 " ever even existed.

I have a lot of things I have found, and I am now 100% sure there is neither. Maybe a Ed, but I still have my doubts......I have found a Ed Smith that match's the Ed Smiths replies as in work, state he lives, etc.....Might give him a call, but considering he went ape **** on me on the other forum, I doubt I will get any answers.


Anyway, Verification of Ed Smith, or I will have to put you in the bucket with the other " sources ".....
Well this one is in the bucket in my book, regardless. Reliable source or not.  PM being sent. We'll get to the bottom of this.

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 08:24 PM

View Postevancj, on 01 January 2013 - 01:51 AM, said:

Do tell!

Evancj,

I have written a lengthy report. I believe it will be posted on a site soon. I will forward anyone interested in it the link, or the file if they would like. ( if I know you well enough to not re-post it )

Just let me know.

View PostStardrive, on 01 January 2013 - 08:08 PM, said:

Well this one is in the bucket in my book, regardless. Reliable source or not.  PM being sent. We'll get to the bottom of this.


Would love the help, and appreciate it.

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 10:24 PM

View PostSakari, on 01 January 2013 - 08:24 PM, said:

Evancj,

I have written a lengthy report. I believe it will be posted on a site soon. I will forward anyone interested in it the link, or the file if they would like. ( if I know you well enough to not re-post it )

Just let me know.




Would love the help, and appreciate it.

I would like a link too.  I will not repost it.

Keep your eyes wide open and don't run!

P.S. Just to be clear, because sometimes I am not. I do not believe...
in the existence of a large previously unknown undiscovered hairy biped roaming North America.
But I like to hear the accounts, read the books, watch the shows, discuss and argue about the phenomenon.

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 05:56 PM

From the MABRC site : ( whomever is following, this is the only site that " Ed Smith " can be found on, or any information on this event )


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I have refrained from saying too much, Because I did not want to muddy the waters. The fact that I am an MABRC member means you will give me little to no credit for saying this, But I will say it anyway.

Ed Smith is a real person. I have visited with Ed Smith, Had dinner with him. Got an in depth look into their operations down in Oklahoma. I did see some evidence that secured for me the fact that Ed was into something big. The limiting factor for most researchers to not be successful, is funding. Even the big money researchers like BFRO are woefully underfunded. Ed Smith and his group does not have that problem.

The scale of their operation would boggle your mind. It involves leasing lands and long term 'hands off approach' with their set-ups. Engineered triangulated sound towers to locate precise locations of tree knocks and vocals. 24 to 36 ft angle iron towers topped with the type of thermal camera's you see on the bottom of helicopters, with the ability to zoom in for a mile or more. Ground sensors placed in area's of observations of travel, along fences etc. all fed into computers to give real time feed back as to whether or not something walking is bipedal or quadruped. fed back at the same time a thermal video is taken. Then after a video was taken, while the image was still on screen, not moving the thermal camera's they can overlay a man standing in the same spot for size comparisons. Some of the video shots also resulted in hair, tissue and even blood from briars found from the travel path of the bigfoot.

Ed was the first to show us how to collect samples and document. First, you video the whole process, use packaged tweezers, packaged q-tips, and rubber gloves to take samples and bag them and seal the bag. All video taped.

In the beginning, some of the labs would not have taken on the job of DNA study without the video showing how the samples were retrieved and not contaminated.

The details go on and on...It all started years ago when these 6 guy's who were all friends, were in college together. All working on higher degree's. One night they were discussing things as young men do, and the topic of bigfoot came up. To make a long story short, 3 of the 6 men had encounters with a creature we know as bigfoot. Ed's encounter is quite amazing, as he was hiking alone along the Illinois river in North Oklahoma, I believe he encountered 3, and got hit in the back by a rock from a squatch standing knee deep in the river while he faced the other two....he vacated quickly back to where his vehicle was parked and was escorted as some people are when they have a wooded encounter. Because of the sighting by 3 of them, they started playing around with the idea of why there has been no evidence....much like we all have pondered. After college at some point they put their plan in motion, Lots of money ( i believe a trust fund was some of the money used)

They initially had a 10 year plan, Ed Smith got ansy, and wanted to replicate their findings from their research with other researchers in different locations...they needed this as part of the scientific process. Ed started posting to the MABRC and revealed to us what they needed. So we tried to help. This was 4 years ago.

So people ask WHY? is the MABRC who Ed chose to contact. Well, because it was located somewhat close to where Ed lived, had 200 researchers they could have help to replicate their experiments. You can't really belong to a group and not develop friendships, so that is where we have progressed to now. Ed was always the one pushing to share their info to get to where they wanted to get to, after 10 years he was getting tired of the 2 week stretches in the command trailers on location ,manning the thermals and computer equipment. The other 5 guy's were not as eager to share as Ed was. So they clashed sometimes about releasing content. So then this past year there was a change of business plans, Ed was tired....and then all of a sudden, here we are with what has transpired.

I am sure some will not be happy with me sharing this. I hope it gives you a better understanding. believe me when I tell you, this is only a speck of the depth of all they have done and documented, I just can't put it all down in an appropriate timeline. You will just have to be satisfied...surely some here have read some of the Ed Smith threads of research over at the MABRC.



I have all ready posted the links for all of this information that comes in. Ed Smith is a person, but not sure if he is made up, and a " character " or not. I am interviewing a few researchers that are a little more " respectable " on this. One I am talking to has had " Ed Smith " on his talk show in 2007, 2009, and 2 more times. He had his number, but that was a while ago and no longer has it.( God I wish this would happen soon  )......

Anyway, above is the latest and greatest about Ed Smith. Am I the only one who finds this wayyyyyyy over the top, and about as believable as me being Donald Trump and having nothing better to do then post here?


Keep in mind, Ed Smith had recieved the original text, in code, from the research team he had quit years before on accident......Yet, he keeps getting information after releasing all of this on a website?

And no one is upset at him, and has invited him back with open arms, now that they have caught a bigfoot without him?



Also, for those not paying attention......Ed Smith has called a " meeting " with Quantra, or O-6 and " other people ".....Meldrums name was mentioned, and also another researchers name was mentioned. As of right now, both of those people have confirmed they have not been contacted by anyone on this claim at all.


This meeting is supposed to be a meeting on having a meeting?.....Yes, that is what it said.

Anyway, I have a write up done, and will be ongoing, either until someone fess's up, or until " Ed Smith " is thrown under the bus and blamed for this entire thing. I am sure he is the fall guy in this possible hoax. This way, no one gets hurt, but still gets the publicity......" win win ".

If and when it gets posted, I will share the link.

Edited by Sakari, 02 January 2013 - 06:10 PM.

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 06:16 PM

Isn't this what always seems to happen.  An announcement is made and then we suddenly start getting embroiled in this group vs that group or some other such nonsense.  Next thing you know, we're no longer talking about Bigfoot, but instead we're talking about school yard politics.

The answer is simple - you say you captured Bigfoot.  **** or get off the pot.

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 06:39 PM

There is a lot of talk about how Government agencies would take away things if caught. I have contacted Texas, Washington, California, Oregon, and Oklahomas Wildlife Departments....

So far this is the response I have recieved. This is from Texas. ( Where this alleged claim is made most likely )


Hello,

This is going to sound like a joke, but it is not. I have been
working on a write up about a possible live bigfoot caught. I
know it is all a joke, I know they could not exist. What keeps
coming up all over the place is how Government agencies would
take it away and such. This has to do with “ why has nothing
been released”.

So, can you please either tell me, or lead me to the right
place to find out if ( very big if, and just a question ) a new
large species of animal were caught, or even killed, what should
the protocol be for the person that caught or killed it?

We are taking a new species no one new exists, like Bigfoot.

Are there laws for this?
Is it the property of whomever killed or captured it?


I know, I am laughing also, but this information is impossible
to find, other then hear say, or opinions.

Please let me know.

Thank You,
Robert Lester


I would suggest contacting the Biology department of a nearby university to ask about typical protocol if a new species were discovered. I will say that new species are being discovered all the time and government agencies do not take them away. We have had several species of salamander discovered right here in the Austin area, they remain in the wild or with those who discovered them.

Mark Klym
Information Specialist
Wildlife Diversity Program
Austin, TX








There is no excuse at all with this now. I never thought there was. If someone bagged a Bigfoot alive or dead, it is theirs, and no one is rushing in to take it.

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 09:05 PM

Yeah, this is getting to be the usual way things are done any more then they can't understand why credible scientist run the other way from them? Bless me if I see anything to be gained from making these sorts of things on a semi-regular basis, but they do like it's no biggy.

....every pun intended.


I honestly don't know what's worse, the people doing this sort of thing or the people who've seen it all before and are still hoping for something new from them.

Edited by keninsc, 02 January 2013 - 09:06 PM.


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Posted 02 January 2013 - 09:44 PM

There may be a "couple" "new" scientists jumping on the undiscovered humanoid bandwagon. But I don't know enough of their background to speculate yet on why they have "joined" the band. Or, if they are in fact old cronies.
But again, any scientist's interest or personal beliefs or even "evidence" doesn't mean she isn't vulnerable to imaginations, wild speculations, novelty, etc. They are not infallible, as we have seen.

Edited by QuiteContrary, 02 January 2013 - 09:53 PM.

Keep your eyes wide open and don't run!

P.S. Just to be clear, because sometimes I am not. I do not believe...
in the existence of a large previously unknown undiscovered hairy biped roaming North America.
But I like to hear the accounts, read the books, watch the shows, discuss and argue about the phenomenon.

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 02:26 AM

Ed Smiths latest on the other site...


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Its time to clear up some of the background on the Orig-6.

When we began in the early nineties there were six group members, as we worked into certain projects we had helpers those numbered three to five.
As we moved in to the early two thousands it became larger in scope I can say the nineties for us (6) was a lot of fun our projects were small and enjoyable to conduct.

When we started the long range survey projects in the mid to late two thousands, thats when the group went on steroids so to speak. Our contractor numbers went to 22 plus us and we began associations with others in multiple states.

Then when we operated our own DNA project with the results of incorrect primers vs corrected primers it was decided that a body preferably living would be the best course to take.

The capture idea began in the mid nineties mostly with me not so much with the others, but I began with the sketching of trap possibilities and over time the design grew the unit must be strong, stealthy, mobile, and autonomous. The trap units were fabricated in Tulsa at a business associates shop.

In accordance with the protocol and the operations plan, we began slowly to assemble the needed assets, manpower and resources. In the oil and gas business you have to be mobile, durable and reliable in your work, planing and operation. This also provided the perfect cover for operating such a project.

The capture project while under the control of the ORIG-6 had as many as 42 plus us working on it.

When the ORIG-6 ceased operations late last year the movement towards such a conclusion started in late May and early June of 2012. A friend of mine suggested that we (ORIG-6) meet with a group of like minded. but not engaged in BF research, business associates of his, so in May/June of 2012 we had an initial meeting in Virginia. Where they were attending a conference and from this meeting the Quantra Group was conceived.

When the ORIG-6 ceased operations all our projects were terminated except the capture project was passed through to the Quantra Group. All project data past and present was transferred to the Quantra Group. I retain ownership of my written work plans and protocols and such.

I am restricted in discussing any of our past project work for a period of ten years. I am further restricted from participating in research even for my own private enjoyment (trust me there was a price for that one) for seven years.

Four of the ORIG-6 members began with the Quantra Group only two remain. My understanding is that the Quantra Groups operating environment is uncomfortable and that is all I will say about it.

As for the documentaries, the first two volumes are complete and the third is in revision. The ORIG-6 no longer owns the rights to them Quantra is now the owner.
I have posted this previously.

In some of the reporting on blogs and forums that the capture was leaked to me that is inaccurate. The text message was mistakenly sent to me I posted the information. Did I contact a source in the Quantra Group? Yes did and the information was posted.

Could that get me sued possibly but if it wasn't for the Quantra Groups mistake I would have never known.


The meeting with the principles of the Quantra Group is this evening.

I hope this post has cleared up some things for those interested in the work. Have a good day.



I doubt I need to point out a lot of things with this picture, not here anyway.

I do ask, if O-6 had 42 members, wouldn't at least one of them be out talking by now?......

That is just one obvious thing.

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 04:01 AM

I think that bigfoot, if he is alive would be more intelligent then to fall for such a primitive trap.By what I  have come to understand they avoid trial camera's they know where the people put them,These creatures are are sensitive to things like that I would find it very slim to none chance the have a bigfoot in that cage and their  strength would be off the charts.


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Posted 03 January 2013 - 04:17 AM

View Postomen667, on 03 January 2013 - 04:01 AM, said:

I think that bigfoot, if he is alive would be more intelligent then to fall for such a primitive trap.By what I  have come to understand they avoid trial camera's they know where the people put them,These creatures are are sensitive to things like that I would find it very slim to none chance the have a bigfoot in that cage and their  strength would be off the charts.

That is a lot to know about a creature that has never been caught, studied ( behavior ), or even proven to exist.

What you have posted are the excuses as to why they have not been caught, studied, or proven to exist.



p.s.   There are a few " trail cam " pictures of Bigfoot, ones that the Bigfoot crowd think are real.....

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 02:32 AM

Assuming your stuff is right......which I find hard to believe you're the only guy in the universe who's gotten it right; this whole thing smells to high Heaven of BS!


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Posted 04 January 2013 - 09:32 PM

Sakari, thanks for the vids!
Found another good interview with Merchant here: this is old and may have been posted here.
http://www.thebigfoo...s-just-for.html
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I'm not going to argue with anyone because I don't think these creatures exist, but I have to say I think a humane trap is the way to go for bigfoot. If they are so curious, and we can trap every other animal, I'm thinking this isn't so unlikely. If you know where some bf are about, you could put one out indefinitely with trail cams to watch it and regularly check for footprints. And as long as you kept it a curiosity (items, sleeping gear, idk?).
Anyway, this does seem more logical to me then running around and hoping to run into one.

Edited by QuiteContrary, 04 January 2013 - 09:33 PM.

Keep your eyes wide open and don't run!

P.S. Just to be clear, because sometimes I am not. I do not believe...
in the existence of a large previously unknown undiscovered hairy biped roaming North America.
But I like to hear the accounts, read the books, watch the shows, discuss and argue about the phenomenon.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 10:18 PM

View PostQuiteContrary, on 04 January 2013 - 09:32 PM, said:

Sakari, thanks for the vids!
Found another good interview with Merchant here: this is old and may have been posted here.
http://www.thebigfoo...s-just-for.html
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I'm not going to argue with anyone because I don't think these creatures exist, but I have to say I think a humane trap is the way to go for bigfoot. If they are so curious, and we can trap every other animal, I'm thinking this isn't so unlikely. If you know where some bf are about, you could put one out indefinitely with trail cams to watch it and regularly check for footprints. And as long as you kept it a curiosity (items, sleeping gear, idk?).
Anyway, this does seem more logical to me then running around and hoping to run into one.



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Posted ImageBigfoot trap - February 2007
What is believed to be the world's only Bigfoot trap is located in the Siskiyou National Forest in the southern part of Jackson County, Oregon, a few miles from the California state border. It was designed to capture a Bigfoot (or Sasquatch), the legendary hominid that is said to live in the forests of the Pacific Northwest.

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Description

The trap is a wooden box 10 by 10 feet (3 by 3 m) made of 2x12 planks bound together by heavy metal bands and secured to the ground by telephone poles.[1] A Forest Service special use permit was issued for its construction, but the door has been bolted open since 1980. Its location was originally remote and predicted to be a good place for a Bigfoot migration, but since the construction of the Applegate Dam, a road is now near the trap.[1]
History

The trap was built in 1974 by the North American Wildlife Research Team (NAWRT),[1] a now-defunct organization based in Eugene, Oregon, that was inspired to build a trap at the location by Perry Lovell, a miner who lived near the Applegate River, who claimed to have found 18-inch-long human-like tracks in his garden.[2] NAWRT operated the trap, keeping it baited with carcasses for six years, but caught only bears.
Since then the trap had been abandoned and was deteriorating. In 2006 the United States Forest Service, under the Passport in Time program, began to repair the trap.[1][3] The trap has become a tourist attraction over the past 30 years and hundreds of people visit it annually. At least one film has been shot on site.[4][5]
The Forest Service keeps an eye on the device, but otherwise does not maintain it.[1][6]
The Collings Mountain hiking trail passes by the Bigfoot trap.[7]

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