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[Br Cornelius]

Its a historic fact that the Illuminati did at one time exist. Strangley enough all their stated objectives were social revolutionary in nature with the clergy and nobility been their primary target.
Did they survive beyond their historically recorded disbandment ? That is the essential unanswered question which leaves the name open to hanging any Conspiracy Theory off.
If they do still exist - what would there objective actually be ? Equally open to wild speculation.

I remain agnostic on both questions.

Br Cornelius

[Sweetpumper]

Too bad rap music can't commit suicide.

[Coffey]

Lady Kasey, on 02 January 2013 - 03:17 PM, said:

Since the world's countries aren't run in a systematically uniform way - something I would expect to exist or for us to be moving toward if one group of people controlled the world - I'm going to vote for a big fat NO. Illuminati don't exist.

Well you logic is severely flawed.

What makes the most money? War.

Countries being divided is perfect, if they where united it would cause problems.

Hitler(Nazi Germany) vs UK, US and Russia...... National bankers funding both sides, Hitler wouldn't even been able to take Poland or attack France without the Rothschild's giving him the money...
Al Qaeda vs Russia (we formed Al Qaeda then , funded them , trained them and supported them)
Al Qaeda v s US/UK (our own creation back fired on us?)
Al Qaeda vs Libya/Gaddafi. (we helped Al Qaeda, oh wait though these where the terrorists we had to destroy?! Why are we fighting them in their own country? but supporting them in another...)
Al Qaeda vs Syria (helping Al Qaeda, Again... hmmm)

Those are just some examples of how divided nations work for an elite. Seriously just ask yourself why there is now a central bank in Libya owned by the Rothcilds when there is Al Qaeda flags all over Syria. (they didn't have a central bank before and where the only country not in debt)

flyingswan, on 02 January 2013 - 03:21 PM, said:

I think that the biggest effects on world history have been due to individuals, not shadowy groups.  Look how different the 20th Century would have been without Princip, Lenin and Hitler.  If any group was trying to run the world for their own advantage, I'm sure the actions of those three really affected the plan and could not have been predicted.

How so? Hitler for example... Where did the money come from? Oh that's right the America's central banking system... yes they gave him the money to pursue his sick fantasy.

Rlyeh, on 02 January 2013 - 12:09 PM, said:

I could have sworn you said the world, no wait you did say the world. News flash, the Al Qaeda, Libya, even the Western world is not the world.
So either you actually mean the world, or you're talking about your own little world of confirmation bias.

If I understand your claim, a group (that's one, not two or three) controls every nation on earth?

Controlling the worlds money is controlling the world.

Why do you think China has a central bank as well.


If China and the US pretty much control the world through their military power and economy and both of those are in debt to central banking systems owned by 1 group of people... then who controls the world?



The Rothcilds own half the worlds wealth and control the other half... this is a fact, you can look it up anywhere or even better ask them yourself, they won't deny it. If you can't see that there is something wrong about that then there is no hope for you.

Edited by Coffey, 02 January 2013 - 09:42 PM.

[Coffey]

You want to see something even more fun......

In the year of 2000 there were seven countries without a Rothschild owned Central Bank:

Afghanistan (Oh weird huh?)
Iraq (Oh look them as well)
Sudan
Libya
Cuba
North Korea
Iran

The only countries left in 2003 without a Central Bank owned by the Rothschild Family were:

Sudan
Libya (Oh I wonder who is next...)
Cuba
North Korea
Iran

The only countries left in 2011 without a Central Bank owned by the Rothschild Family are:

Cuba
North Korea
Iran



Oh look don't we hate Iran in the west? Aren't we going to go to war wiht them soon?

Oh the west sure hates N.Korea too....

Cuba will probably get some bad press as well next.

If that's not obvious... then I really don't have any hope for people who can't see that^

Edited by Coffey, 02 January 2013 - 09:49 PM.

[FurthurBB]

Coffey, on 02 January 2013 - 09:40 PM, said:

Well you logic is severely flawed.

What makes the most money? War.

Countries being divided is perfect, if they where united it would cause problems.

Hitler(Nazi Germany) vs UK, US and Russia...... National bankers funding both sides, Hitler wouldn't even been able to take Poland or attack France without the Rothschild's giving him the money...
Al Qaeda vs Russia (we formed Al Qaeda then , funded them , trained them and supported them)
Al Qaeda v s US/UK (our own creation back fired on us?)
Al Qaeda vs Libya/Gaddafi. (we helped Al Qaeda, oh wait though these where the terrorists we had to destroy?! Why are we fighting them in their own country? but supporting them in another...)
Al Qaeda vs Syria (helping Al Qaeda, Again... hmmm)

Those are just some examples of how divided nations work for an elite. Seriously just ask yourself why there is now a central bank in Libya owned by the Rothcilds when there is Al Qaeda flags all over Syria. (they didn't have a central bank before and where the only country not in debt)








How so? Hitler for example... Where did the money come from? Oh that's right the America's central banking system... yes they gave him the money to pursue his sick fantasy.





Controlling the worlds money is controlling the world.

Why do you think China has a central bank as well.


If China and the US pretty much control the world through their military power and economy and both of those are in debt to central banking systems owned by 1 group of people... then who controls the world?



The Rothcilds own half the worlds wealth and control the other half... this is a fact, you can look it up anywhere or even better ask them yourself, they won't deny it. If you can't see that there is something wrong about that then there is no hope for you.

The Rothschild's, who I am related to, are Jewish and it is a myth that they ever lent Hitler any money.  The Nazi's stole a lot of their money and treasures after they took Austria, but that is it.

Edited by FurthurBB, 02 January 2013 - 10:26 PM.

[Coffey]

FurthurBB, on 02 January 2013 - 10:19 PM, said:

The Rothschild's, who I am related to, are Jewish and it is a myth that they ever lent Hitler any money.  The Nazi's stole a lot of their money and treasures after they took Austria, but that is it.

That's utter BS.

Hitler got money form the US banking system, it's a common fact.

[Likely Guy]

Coffey, on 03 January 2013 - 12:44 AM, said:

Hitler got money form the US banking system, it's a common fact.

Some proof perhaps? Maybe links to this information?

[Kasey2601]

Coffey, on 02 January 2013 - 09:40 PM, said:

The Rothcilds own half the worlds wealth and control the other half... this is a fact, you can look it up anywhere or even better ask them yourself, they won't deny it. If you can't see that there is something wrong about that then there is no hope for you.

Then I will settle for there being no hope for me. I don't know the Rothschilds and I'll wager you don't either. I don't presume to know what perfect strangers' intent is with the world or in their own backyard. All you or anyone can do is make assumptions based on past actions. So I will remain ignorant and hopeless. You're not the only member here who believes that of me.

Edited by Lady Kasey, 03 January 2013 - 03:39 PM.

[Rafterman]

Coffey, on 02 January 2013 - 09:48 PM, said:

You want to see something even more fun......

In the year of 2000 there were seven countries without a Rothschild owned Central Bank:

Afghanistan (Oh weird huh?)
Iraq (Oh look them as well)
Sudan
Libya
Cuba
North Korea
Iran

The only countries left in 2003 without a Central Bank owned by the Rothschild Family were:

Sudan
Libya (Oh I wonder who is next...)
Cuba
North Korea
Iran

The only countries left in 2011 without a Central Bank owned by the Rothschild Family are:

Cuba
North Korea
Iran



Oh look don't we hate Iran in the west? Aren't we going to go to war wiht them soon?

Oh the west sure hates N.Korea too....

Cuba will probably get some bad press as well next.

If that's not obvious... then I really don't have any hope for people who can't see that^

Absolutely untrue.  The largest Rothschild affiliated entity is Rothschilds Continuation Holdings AG, based in Switzerland, with a few billion in assets and primarily focused on mergers and acquisitions.  The last Rothschild retired from its board in 2011.  And even with its sizable holdings, it's a very small fish in the pond when compared to outfits like Deutsche Bank, Barclays, Bank of America, HSBC, etc.

An historically wealthy and powerful family for sure, but the puppetmasters behind the entire world banking system - laughable.  This is particularly true given that almost all of the family's historical wealth was confiscated by the Nazis - perhaps giving rise to the oft heard notion that the Rothschilds funded the Holocaust.

Here are a few facts about the Rothschilds for those interested.

http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4311

[Coffey]

Likely Guy, on 03 January 2013 - 02:09 AM, said:

Some proof perhaps? Maybe links to this information?

Every documentary (proper one, not conspiracy) about Hitler states it. (if you don't know this then I suggest you watch WW2 documentaries)

Hitler/Nazi regime also had lots of US financial backers like Henry Ford, Prescott Bush and many others.

All the info is out there, it's not hidden or a conspiracy. It's just a fact people seem to ignore.

http://reformed-theo... Foreign Backer

The only person who truly stood up to Hitler was Churchill. He spent years trying to convince the US of Hitlers intent, but they ignored him. (Practically called Churchill a conspiracy theorist... ironically)

Rafterman, on 03 January 2013 - 05:33 PM, said:

Absolutely untrue.  The largest Rothschild affiliated entity is Rothschilds Continuation Holdings AG, based in Switzerland, with a few billion in assets and primarily focused on mergers and acquisitions.  The last Rothschild retired from its board in 2011.  And even with its sizable holdings, it's a very small fish in the pond when compared to outfits like Deutsche Bank, Barclays, Bank of America, HSBC, etc.

An historically wealthy and powerful family for sure, but the puppetmasters behind the entire world banking system - laughable.  This is particularly true given that almost all of the family's historical wealth was confiscated by the Nazis - perhaps giving rise to the oft heard notion that the Rothschilds funded the Holocaust.

Here are a few facts about the Rothschilds for those interested.

http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4311

Rothschild own all the banks you just stated by the way.


They certainly own HSBC and Barclays.


They just don't "run" them.

Lady Kasey, on 03 January 2013 - 03:37 PM, said:

Then I will settle for there being no hope for me. I don't know the Rothschilds and I'll wager you don't either. I don't presume to know what perfect strangers' intent is with the world or in their own backyard. All you or anyone can do is make assumptions based on past actions. So I will remain ignorant and hopeless. You're not the only member here who believes that of me.

I don't make assumptions I have posted nothing but facts.

Everything I have stated can be looked up on Wikipedia or any fact based website.

[Kasey2601]

You have posted a string of facts and then tied them together in your own way. That's called making assumptions.

[pallidin]

I wonder if the Forbes "Richest People in the World" would even think of having their money controlled by other's, much less a defunct illuminati.
I'll make it easy:

Uh... No, No, No No and NO!!!

[AsteroidX]

Why would I deny the world is run by a group of elitist pigs. Its based more in fact then fiction from what Ive experienced.

[Rafterman]

Coffey, on 03 January 2013 - 06:25 PM, said:

Rothschild own all the banks you just stated by the way.


They certainly own HSBC and Barclays.


They just don't "run" them.

Evidence?  Proof?  Or are we expected to just believe you?

http://en.wikipedia....or_shareholders - Bank of America

http://investors.mor...ajor.html?t=HBC - HSBC

http://investors.mor...major.html?t=DB - Deutsche Bank

http://investors.mor...ajor.html?t=BCS - Barclays

Not seeing a Rothy on any of these lists or on the Boards of any of the investment companies or the banks themselves.  If you can find one, feel free to point it out.  You do realize that, by law, they have to reveal all of this information, right?

Let me guess, though, this is exactly what they want us to believe, right?

But yes, technically, you are probably correct.  I'm sure there is a Rothy somewhere in the world that owns stock in some of these big banks and, technically, they do own it (a small piece of it).  But, you know what?  Then so do I as I have some stock from all of the above listed banks in my portfolio.

Guess I'm "controlling the world" too, huh?  Feel free to bow before me and PM me for an address to send all tributes.

Edited by Rafterman, 03 January 2013 - 08:27 PM.

[Kasey2601]

*bows low before Rafterman* Ah ha! Found my contact lens.