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[DONTEATUS]

Key word there Die Ck ! " Known Hack !"

[Hartmut]

Yes, that seems to be the problem, most UFO crafts are just that - unidentifiable. They do not have to be alien at all. And it is somewhat strange, that in this day and age of high definition cameras and mobile phone cameras, there is no real and sharp picture of an alien craft, let alone an alien anywhere. And just because some wish it to be so, does not make it a reality.

[lost_shaman]

DONTEATUS, on 10 January 2013 - 04:05 AM, said:

Key word there Die Ck ! " Known Hack !"

Whether the guy is a "hack" or not, that is not a reflection D.

[SwampgasBalloonBoy]

Hartmut, on 10 January 2013 - 04:21 AM, said:

Yes, that seems to be the problem, most UFO crafts are just that - unidentifiable. They do not have to be alien at all. And it is somewhat strange, that in this day and age of high definition cameras and mobile phone cameras, there is no real and sharp picture of an alien craft, let alone an alien anywhere. And just because some wish it to be so, does not make it a reality.

Phone cameras are pretty much crapp. More people than ever before have cameras phone but it's the reason why the quality are never good. Consumer high definition camera are good for close shot. There's a reason why they still sell those long lenses, however, most people don't carry those around.

[DKO]

If the light is outside the plane, it would be towards the planes cockpit. The pilot would easily see it and most likely be concerned that something is following along side the plane.

No one else has made any reports of this light, only the known UFO hoaxer.

If the light is coming from behind his shoulder, reflecting off the angled surface of the window, then him holding his hand towards the front of the window would shield nothing. The fact that this hoaxer went through the effort of pretending to cover a possible light reflection makes it even more suss. (IMO).
If I actually saw something out side the plane, I would be more concerned about recording it and not trying to cover any reasons why people would think it's fake.

[Nightpath]

OK, I went to the aircraft I work on tonight, tried getting a reflecting from inside on the concave window. No go, the windows are made for strength, but also to avoid reflection inside for viewing purposes. Civilian and military are identical, except civvie has a thin flat layer inside (military are 2-3 layer curved for spotting during search and rescue). I had to jam my face up to the window to see my reflection (which surprisingly reflected almost exactly as a regular window but distorted my shape minorly like a funhouse mirror). ANY ambient light ruined the reflection from inside the aurora.

If the window was convex, as seen from the outside, that would distort where the original reflection was coming from. As it stands, with what I've experienced first hand, I do not believe that the light is coming from inside the aircraft.

And to answer the question asked a few pages ago : If A was above D, D would see A where C was being shown, not where B was shown.

I would take pictures of this, but if I did that and posted them it violates opsec, I can get in heaps of **** and lose my job.

So argue till your blue in the face. The light source IS external. It is not coming from inside. Is the light source photoshopped, or a stadium? Possibly a cruise ship on the ocean? A UFO? Whatever it is, from my experience of WORKING ON AIRCRAFT, having GONE OUT to an airplane and TRIED this, having to know about paralax error, reflection and refraction from my years as a surveyor, I can tell you to stop saying it's a ******* inside light. It is not, in any form, a reading light from inside the aircraft.

Don't glaze over what I have wrote, read it, digest it and then come back.

[psyche101]

Nightpath, on 11 January 2013 - 04:13 AM, said:

OK, I went to the aircraft I work on tonight, tried getting a reflecting from inside on the concave window. No go, the windows are made for strength, but also to avoid reflection inside for viewing purposes. Civilian and military are identical, except civvie has a thin flat layer inside (military are 2-3 layer curved for spotting during search and rescue). I had to jam my face up to the window to see my reflection (which surprisingly reflected almost exactly as a regular window but distorted my shape minorly like a funhouse mirror). ANY ambient light ruined the reflection from inside the aurora.

If the window was convex, as seen from the outside, that would distort where the original reflection was coming from. As it stands, with what I've experienced first hand, I do not believe that the light is coming from inside the aircraft.

And to answer the question asked a few pages ago : If A was above D, D would see A where C was being shown, not where B was shown.

I would take pictures of this, but if I did that and posted them it violates opsec, I can get in heaps of **** and lose my job.

So argue till your blue in the face. The light source IS external. It is not coming from inside. Is the light source photoshopped, or a stadium? Possibly a cruise ship on the ocean? A UFO? Whatever it is, from my experience of WORKING ON AIRCRAFT, having GONE OUT to an airplane and TRIED this, having to know about paralax error, reflection and refraction from my years as a surveyor, I can tell you to stop saying it's a ******* inside light. It is not, in any form, a reading light from inside the aircraft.

Don't glaze over what I have wrote, read it, digest it and then come back.

Hi Nightpath

If it is not too much trouble, could I ask you to go back a couple ages to my last post where I lifted your diagram and asked for some further information.

Why I keep looking at the light is the cross hairs seem a very close match, I do not doubt you, I am just looking to eliminate any possibility. Those cross hairs are hard to dismiss.

[lost_shaman]

psyche101, on 11 January 2013 - 04:33 AM, said:

Hi Nightpath

If it is not too much trouble, could I ask you to go back a couple ages to my last post where I lifted your diagram and asked for some further information.

Why I keep looking at the light is the cross hairs seem a very close match, I do not doubt you, I am just looking to eliminate any possibility. Those cross hairs are hard to dismiss.

I can answer your question psyche. If the light was above the camera (over the guy's shoulder) then its reflection could not be reflected by the window back towards the camera. Since we are talking about reflections you can think of the window as if it were a mirror on the wall of the aircraft. It is in front of the camera to the right. So it would be like standing near a mirror on the wall while you are near the wall with the mirror on your right and in front of you. The reflections you would see in the mirror would be of objects in the room that are in front of you and to your left, but the mirror would not be reflecting objects such as yourself or objects above you over your shoulder.

Hope that helps.

Edited by lost_shaman, 11 January 2013 - 05:17 AM.

[psyche101]

lost_shaman, on 11 January 2013 - 05:17 AM, said:

I can answer your question psyche. If the light was above the camera (over the guy's shoulder) then its reflection could not be reflected by the window back towards the camera. Since we are talking about reflections you can think of the window as if it were a mirror on the wall of the aircraft. It is in front of the camera to the right. So it would be like standing near a mirror on the wall while you are near the wall with the mirror on your right and in front of you. The reflections you would see in the mirror would be of objects in the room that are in front of you and to your left, but the mirror would not be reflecting objects such as yourself or objects above you over your shoulder.

Hope that helps.

Gidday Mate

Thank you, all the best for the new year, I do hope it is most excellent for you.
Thank you for the analogy, I just went and tried that in a mirror, and that is exactly what I was trying to understand, the mirrored reflection on the surface of the pane, and I could not get the reflection to show, let alone get in front of my hand.

Thank you, I have it now. Those cross hairs just kept throwing me, but it must be merely a co-incidence. I guess this proves we cannot believe what we see!

Cheers Mate.

[psyche101]

[DONTEATUS]

psyche101, on 11 January 2013 - 07:36 AM, said:

THats the ticket ! Those cross hares are right on ! I read what everyone has posted ,but just my opinion,from my point of view,the object in the window is the reflection of the cabin overhead light panel to the rear of the camera operators position. JMO. again ITS JUST my opinion ! But Far be it from me I be held out the aircraft at 35 k and ask to prove it !

[supersnatch]

I read all the posts and regardless of all the work going into them...it's a reflection in my humble opinion.  Sometimes the most likely answer is actually the correct one!

[lost_shaman]

supersnatch, on 12 January 2013 - 05:43 AM, said:

I read all the posts and regardless of all the work going into them...it's a reflection in my humble opinion.  Sometimes the most likely answer is actually the correct one!

Think about it like this, if you wanted to prove something was a reflection in a window near you all you would have to do is block it out with another reflection from an object closer to the window such as the reflection of your own hand. Of course if the reflection of your hand does not block out the light then it is not a reflection. It's that simple.

[DONTEATUS]

lost_shaman, on 12 January 2013 - 08:42 PM, said:

Think about it like this, if you wanted to prove something was a reflection in a window near you all you would have to do is block it out with another reflection from an object closer to the window such as the reflection of your own hand. Of course if the reflection of your hand does not block out the light then it is not a reflection. It's that simple.

I was just on a flight at night and from my seat I looked at a natural viewing point est 45 deg angle at the reflections from behind my position and then held my hand to the front of the reflection and observed what I can only tell you as the almost exact view in the video. I will take my camera next month on another flt and try to reproduce the effect. Food for thought. Cheer`s LS.

[lost_shaman]

DONTEATUS, on 12 January 2013 - 10:30 PM, said:

I was just on a flight at night and from my seat I looked at a natural viewing point est 45 deg angle at the reflections from behind my position and then held my hand to the front of the reflection and observed what I can only tell you as the almost exact view in the video. I will take my camera next month on another flt and try to reproduce the effect. Food for thought. Cheer`s LS.

I think you are confused. It isn't where he held his hand, it is where he positioned the reflection of his hand that you can see in the video. Maybe that reflection of his hand is hard for some people to see or notice and that is  what is causeing some of the confusion here? Yeah you can wave you hand around in the cameras POV but what matters is where you wave the reflection of your hand on the window, that reflection of your hand must pass over the same spot on the window that you see another suspected reflection. If the reflection of your hand (being closer to the window) blocks out the reflection of the further distant object then it is a reflection, if not it is a light source from outside the window. It's that simple.