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#1381    stereologist

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 11:15 AM

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On 'crop circles', from previous comments you have made you clearly are in the camp of - 'all man made' - but I hope you would accept that this is a belief
not a fact wih our present level of knowledge about this phenomena, despite the wild protestations of some die-hard posters.
You've had 2 months to show us a crop circle that you believe is not man made. ALL crop circles are man made. That is a fact. There is zero reason to believe otherwise. It is your whimsical belief that 2000+ crop circles were not made by man. Hardly anyone believes that crop circles are not man made. The few die hard croppies left just can't figure out why the crop circle makers are so much more clever than they are. You can dig yourself out of this morass by trying to learn how crop circle makers can make intricate designs with simple tools.


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Posted 10 October 2013 - 10:14 PM

Just take another look....

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If you want to believe that it is all just a huge set of coincidences..that is up to you ..but

this thread is now saying... what if it is an ancient design...why Temple Farm as a focal point ?


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Posted 10 October 2013 - 10:50 PM

You have to give it to laver however that he is not Fickle, he sticks to his guns.

I'm not going to post in this thread anymore and hopefully it will go to Page 2 and disappear into obscurity.

Edited by DieChecker, 10 October 2013 - 10:51 PM.

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 04:00 AM

Imagine that the spammer is back with that dopey picture - AGAIN!


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Posted 11 October 2013 - 04:02 AM

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You've had 2 months to show us a crop circle that you believe is not man made. ALL crop circles are man made. That is a fact. There is zero reason to believe otherwise. It is your whimsical belief that 2000+ crop circles were not made by man. Hardly anyone believes that crop circles are not man made. The few die hard croppies left just can't figure out why the crop circle makers are so much more clever than they are. You can dig yourself out of this morass by trying to learn how crop circle makers can make intricate designs with simple tools.

So laver show us a crop circle you believe is not made by man instead of that nonsense image you use as a crutch.


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Posted 11 October 2013 - 04:03 AM

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If you ever stopped spouting gibberish and looked around you'd see that what you are posting is ridiculous. A good part of your problem is probably related to your willful use of terms in different ways such as base. You used that 2 different ways in your post. You also use terms such as vesica where there is no vesica. Your mistakes in language are I believe done on purpose. It allows you to fudge the evidence just as Furlong fudged his circles with a second set of circles after the first 2 he constructed did not have the properties he wanted.

The only mystery here is your continue charade. You claim others are interested in this thread. The only ones posting here are you perpetuating this really obvious hoax and others pointing out this fact.

Have you figured out that you use the word base in many different ways?

1. as one edge of the base
2. as two edges of the base
3. as the perimeter of the base


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Posted 11 October 2013 - 04:05 AM

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Laver, I know you don't care to hear this, but in reviewing this thread I see quite plainly that your arguments, as well as Furlong's, have been roundly disproved. You can repeat the same information as much as you want, but it won't fix the errors. It is very important for you and possible new readers to understand that what you have been calling "facts"—points of math, cop circles, ancient sites—are not facts but more along the lines of assumption or simple beliefs on your part.

It's worth repeating that


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Posted 12 October 2013 - 09:53 AM



The churches of Revelations

The book of Revelations is the last book of the Christian bible which scholars believe was written between
70 and 95 AD.
It is an important part of Christian eschatology, the theology of an 'end of world' or 'end of time' and is called
the Revelation of John because he is recorded as having written it down on the island of Patmos. No one is
sure who the John refered to was so he is often called John of Patmos.
This book of the bible is very hard to understand but the first 3 chapters are fairly straight forward consisting of
the introduction of 7 named church sites in the province of Asia in chapter 1 and messages to these 7 churches
in chapters 2 and 3.
The province of Asia is the area now known as Turkey where these 7 church sites can be found and they are
named in chapter 1 verse 11 as

Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea - in this order

John then sees an apparition of Jesus who is said to be holding 7 stars in his right hand and says in chaper 1
verse 20 -

'Here is the secret meaning of the 7 stars which you saw in my right hand, and of the 7 lamps of gold: the 7
stars are the angels of the 7 churches, and the 7 lamps are the 7 churches'

In post 1322 on page 89 the important bearing line of 110 degrees from the Temple Farm location is discussed
and the following is an extract of the connection between this bearing line and the last 5 of the churches of Revelation.

'Pergamum Bearing from Temple Farm 110.07 approx distance off line 2.6 miles south of line
Thyatira .................................................109.64..................................... 13.5 north of line
Sardis.....................................................110.18..................................... 6.9 south of line
Philadelphia............................................109.83..................................... 6.5 north of line
Laodicea.................................................110.00............. on line......................................

It can be seen that the order that these 'church' sites are given in Revelations follows the 110 degree
bearing line with sites first to the south of the line, then to the north, alternately, until the last site
Laodicea which is exactly on line.'

The way these church sites follow this bearing line, alternately to the south then north in the sequence they are given in the text,
raises the question of whether this could be related to the 'secret meaning' refered to in chapter 1 verse 20. Is the geographical
location of these church sites, and how they clearly relate to the 110 bearing line from Temple Farm, the hidden message in these sites ?
Is this just another coincidence that an important bearing from Temple Farm to the Holy Land has this apparent
correlation to 5 of the 7 Revelation church sites ?
These are the last 5 of the 7 churches of Revelation but the first 2 will be covered later as they form a seperate
but also important alignment.

If there is an intended link between the 110 degree bearing from Temple Farm and these 5 church sites from the
book of Revelations, the last site - Laodicea - stands out as particularly significant.
It is the only site with a bearing of exactly the 110 degrees from this particular geographical location of Temple Farm.
It is also the last of the church sites which in a book, the last of the bible, is all about 'endings', this may be important.
It is church number 7 in a book that emphasises this number, and its half, far more than any other number.
So what does the message to Laodicea in Revelation have to say which might help in confirming this location's
geometrically importance ?

The text and source of the Book of Revelations says to Laodicea -

'I know all your ways ; you are neither hot nor cold .....' (Rev Chapter 3 v15 )

'Here I stand knocking at the door; if anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in........'(Rev Ch3 v20)

The first quote refers to 'ways' and that Laodicea is 'neither hot nor cold' . It is the only one of the 5 churches
that is not to the south or north of the 110 degree bearing line from Temple Farm but exactly on it which may
be what this quote is referring to
The second quote ' Here I stand knocking at the door.....' may have a more profound meaning because this is
the only one of the churches of Revelation where we get this sort of comment.


Here we have to consider: who is the ' I ' that this quote refers to ?
The messages to the 7 churches are said to be from Jesus Christ and it has been a famous image in art over the years ; Christ
standing at a door sometimes with a lamp.
The church site before Laodicea is Philadelphia and the message to that location also talks about a 'door' -
'...and look, I have set before you an open door, which no one can shut.....' ( Rev Chapter 3 verse 8 )
Coming down the bearing line from Temple Farm after Philadelphia comes Laodicea which the 'I' of Revelations sees
as a door or portal.


It would seem that Laodicea is an important location both in the text of the Book of Revelations and in the geometry from Temple Farm.
This 110 degree bearing line is not just significant to these churches of Revelation because it leaves Laodicea and crosses the
Mediterranean to the Holy Land and Mount Arbel / Magdala on the shores of the Sea of Galilee and an area where we hear that Jesus
talked about an 'end of time or age' as we shall see.


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Posted 13 October 2013 - 09:35 AM

Yes, DieChecker, I try to, because there is an important truth in this story although it is a truth that some may at first
find it hard to take in and one that is really quite profound.
It may challenge your, and others, beliefs and world view but it is based on a principle that will, in my opinion, prevail.
This is because it is based on simple math and geometry and appears to have been set out a very long time ago
with the presumed intention of it some day coming to light.
The question, which is the basis of this thread on UM is......is this the time...the time of Revelation ?

Sorry you may be leaving the discussion on this thread, although I did not agree with much of what you wrote, your comments
were more reasoned than some of the knee-jerk waffle and misinformation that some others post.
However, if you are interested in the most influential individual of the last 2000ish years, I would suggest you hang around on this
thread because it takes a little time to begin to understand the messages that Jesus, and his companion Mary of Magdala,
seem to have been leaving for us to consider at this time............


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Posted 16 October 2013 - 01:42 PM





The 110 degree bearing from Laodicea to Magdala in the Holy Land

It is a strange journey from the Great Pyramid in Egypt to Wiltshire in southern Britain and the landscape geometry
discovered by David Furlong which guided us to the focal point of Temple Farm. This location was found
to have further strange geometric connections to other sites of the ancient world and then the Holy Land via the
churches of Revelation about which we hear there is a 'secret meaning', as detailed in previous posts on UM.
Laodicea, the last church of Revelation, being exactly on the 110 degree bearing line attracts our attention and we
have seen that there are quotes in the text of Revelations which would seem to confirm that the source of this
book knew that Laodicea was a special location. This 110 degree bearing line from Temple Farm then goes to the
Holy Land at the Sea of Galilee location of Mount Arbel and Magdala and the other whole degree bearing lines to
the Holy Land, 111 and 112 degree, from Temple Farm also highlight significant alignments of ancient sites.

So from Ancient Egypt to the homeland of Jesus and Mary Magdalene but by way of a landscape layout of sites
that must have been set out thousands of years earlier because of the age of the sites involved.
These sites like Shechem on the 111 degree bearing line and Mamre on the 112 degree line are important
biblical locations from the stories about Abraham but were clearly sacred sites to the people of the land
from much earlier times.
The first named church of Revelation is Ephesus and the sacred site at this location is exactly on the same bearing
from Temple Farm as Mamre, 112 degrees, going to the southern area of the Holy Land south of Jerusalem.

The northern bearing line 110 degrees, the Revelation line, seems to be of particular importance to the stories about Jesus who appears to have spent most of his time around the shores of the Sea of Galilee. He is of course closely associated with fishermen from this area and according to biblical accounts his final meeting with his followers was on a mountain by this inland sea where he talked about an end of time or age.
It is we hear Mary of Magdala who rallies the disciples and directs them to this mountain by the Sea of Galilee and
it is a reasonable assumption that this mountain, special to Christ, was Mount Arbel with the location which became
associated with Mary next to it...named Magdala, now being called Migdal.

From biblical sources and other ancient texts we can now see that Mary was the most important of the followers of
Jesus, particularly towards the end of his ministry, being present at the crucifixion and the first to see the risen
Christ. She was his messenger and became known as the 'Apostle to the Apostles' for her part in directing the
disciples to Galilee where Jesus had told them to meet him on a mountain for final instructions.
Other texts from the time of the gospels give further information about Mary of Magdala which indicate her key
position in the stories about Christ.
From the Gnostic gospels it is clear that her role as the companion and confidant of Jesus was not popular with
some of the disciples which caused some dissent but she obviously had private discussions with Jesus and
these seem to have involved a Revelation.
From the 'Dialogue of the Saviour' Mary is the one who 'understands completely' so was the exception amongst
the followers who obviously did not. Jesus says -
'You make clear the abundance of the Revelation' or
'You make clear the abundance of the Revealer' - so it is clear that Mary was an important part of some future
Revelation.

These comments in the context of Mary's plainly close relationship with Christ come into focus when we see
the place she is named after, Magdala, flagging up on the 110 degree bearing line, the line that highlights
the last 5 churches of Revelation with then the messages in the text of the Book of Revelations.
It is just too much of a coincidence that it is Mary that rallies and directs the disciples to the mountain in Galilee,
which would seem to be Mount Arbel next to Magdala, on the shores of the Sea of Galilee.
We know that she was the messenger of Jesus but the strong indications are that Mary of Magdala was part of
the message linked to her town by the 110 degree bearing line from Temple Farm, a message of
Revelation for the future.
At some time the geometric relationship of the locations concerned would inevitably come to light and become apparent. Jesus and Mary must have been aware of these geometric links and the details given in Matthew Chapter 28 confirm that Jesus saw this as a time of Revelation as an 'end of time or age'.
Now that we know about the landscape geometry leading to Temple Farm and the important bearings coming
from this location should we ask if this is the planned time of Revelation ?



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Posted 19 October 2013 - 06:22 PM

View Postlaver, on 16 October 2013 - 01:42 PM, said:

is the planned time of Revelation ?

the time is at hand.  i will stand for
jesus christ when
the time right :)

Edited by samspade, 19 October 2013 - 06:29 PM.


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Posted 19 October 2013 - 10:01 PM

View Postsamspade, on 19 October 2013 - 06:22 PM, said:

the time is at hand.  i will stand for
jesus christ when
the time right :)

Who knows when ?
But there are signs, ancient and modern, that this may be a time when we find
out some amazing things. The research certainly indicates that it involves Jesus
and Mary of Magdala, but also much older knowledge and belief of which they seem to
have been aware.
The landscape geometry is a fact and because of its great age is beyond the ability of
any known early culture so some 'outside' influence cannot be excluded.
It must have been set out in order that at some time it would be revealed -
It is just a question of whether this is the time......a time of Revelation ?


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Posted 22 October 2013 - 05:10 PM

Proof of the ancient Landscape Geometry ?


Ephesus - Smyrna - the Cross


The 110 degree bearing line from the Temple Farm location identified by David Furlong highlights
the last 5 of the 7 church sites of the Book of Revelations on its way to Magdala by the shores of the Sea of Galilee
in the Holy Land as detailed in previous posts on this thread.
This immediately raises the question of 'what about the other 2 church sites, the first 2 - Ephesus and Smyrna ?'
These 2 church sites are clearly not indicated by the 110 degree bearing line as it goes through present day
Turkey being to the south of this bearing line.
Is there another bearing line that highlights Ephesus and Smyrna ?
If there is, where is it from ?

Ephesus must be the most important of the sites for various reasons.
It is the first named church of Revelation with very ancient origins back to the Neolithic period.
It is also on a significant bearing from Temple Farm.
The sacred site of Ephesus is actually nearby at Selcuk which is the site of the Temple of Artemis
from very ancient times. This site with a latitude of 37deg 56min 59sec north and a longitude of
27deg 21min 50sec east is exactly on the 112 degree bearing line from Temple Farm to the Holy Land where
it goes to an alignment of ancient sites including Mamre, an important Abrahamic site from the Old Testament.
So Ephesus is being flagged as an important site in the ancient landscape geometry but how does this
relate to its role as the first church of Revelation ?

The 110 degree bearing comes from Temple Farm and highlights the last 5 Revelation churches and this
location was only identified by David Furlong using the geometric design of the Great Pyramid in Egypt.
The Great Pyramid is thus an important part of the proposed ancient landscape design.
Does it also have a role in providing an alignment for the first 2 churches of Revelation ?
This seems to be the case.
From the Great Pyramid to Ephesus, the temple site at Selcuk, the bearing by great circle is 339.61 degrees
and the bearing to Smyrna to the north is 339.72 which is very close. Also whereas the temple site at Ephesus
is a well defined location the actual sacred site at Smyrna is not clear. So this 339.61 bearing could be an intended
alignment for the first two Revelation churches using a bearing from the Great Pyramid and would seem
to be the bearing to the Temple of Artemis at Selcuk of 339.61 degrees.

The 110 degree bearing from Temple Farm highlighting 5 Revelation churches goes on to the Holy Land
where other sites are identified which lend support to the validity of this bearing as an ancient alignment
and part of a scheme of landscape layout of sacred sites.
The alignment from the Great Pyramid to Ephesus of 339.61 then going on to very close to Smyrna could
just be a coincidence unless there is further confirmation from other locations that this bearing is an intended
part of the design. So looking at this bearing as it goes north from the Great Pyramid then Ephesus might confirm that it is an
intended ancient alignment.

Looking at the 110 degree bearing from Temple Farm it enters north western Turkey very close to ancient Troy
and goes through the 5 churches of Revelation with the last church site Laodicea exactly on line. This great circle from Temple Farm runs just south of east on its route to the Holy Land. East would be 90 degrees so 20 degrees
south of east. The bearing from the Great Pyramid to Ephesus of 339.61 is west of north some 20 degrees, so these two bearing lines will cross somewhere in north west Turkey, which they do.

Now if the designer(s) of this proposed ancient landscape geometric design wanted to demonstrate the
importance and validity of these 2 bearing lines one from Temple Farm, 110 degrees, and one from the Great
Pyramid, 339.61 degrees, that highlight all the 7 churches of Revelation, then where they cross would have to be a significant location, which it is.
As noted these 2 great circle bearings cross in what is now north west Turkey and in very close proximity to the
now known site of Ancient Troy. The bearing from the Great Pyramid to Ephesus, 339.61 degrees, passes just
to the east of the Troy site, about 1.9 miles, on its journey from the pyramid of 740 miles.
The 110 degree bearing from Temple Farm passes just to the south of the Troy site, about 11 miles, in its journey
of 1555 miles. So Troy might be an important clue to the validity of these two Revelation bearing lines.

However, there is a much stronger clue built into the ancient landscape geometry that confirms these 2 bearing lines and their crossing point.
By a process of trial and error one can establish the latitude and longitude of the crossing point, where on the
110 degree line the Great Pyramid bearing of 339.61 cuts across it and this turns out to be

Latitude - - 39deg 39min 39sec north of the equator

Longitude - 26deg 26min 26sec east of the Greenwich Meridian ( within 0.01 of a bearing degree)

It has not yet been established if there is anything on the ground at these coordinates which might indicate that
this is a very ancient 'sacred' site but the repetative digets in the Latitude and Longitude are a real mystery.

If the designer(s) of this ancient landscape geometry, highlighting the 7 churches of Revelation, wanted to
provide proof of these bearings on the landscape that would confirm their existence then to choose a latitude where these bearings cross, which clearly indicates it was chosen not just chance, would be a good way to do this. The Latitude of 39 / 39 / 39 north is a pretty plain signal of this.
But, and it is a big but, how could the designer(s) have achieved repetative digets in the Longitude of this
location thousands of years ago when the Greenwich Prime Meridian generally used today was apparently only
established in the 19th Century ? The 26 / 26 / 26 in the Longitude are a second real mystery.

There are only 3 possible answers to this mystery in the repetative Longitude of 26 / 26 / 26

1. It is just a very strange coincidence, just pure chance. This is possible but the repetative digets also being in the Latitude of the crossing point

would suggest that this is an unlikely answer.

2. When the Greenwich Meridian was established there was some knowledge that this was a very ancient and
important location. This seems highly unlikely but is a possibility.

3. The designer(s) of this ancient landscape geometry somehow knew what would end up, thousands of years
later, as the world's Prime Meridian. This also seems highly unlikely but we are looking at a landscape design
which is supposedly impossible, with our current understanding of the ancient world, so every possibility has to
be considered.
The geometry is there on the landscape from the Great Pyramid in Egypt to the layout on the Wiltshire
Downs of southern Britain, discovered by David Furlong, and leading to Temple Farm; it exists and has been noted by many people
for a long time.
The latest piece in this amazing puzzle is the geometric links from Temple Farm to the Holy Land and the
5 churches of Revelation, along the 110 degree bearing line, which is quite clear, whether by coincidence or design.
If this is an ancient design then in some way the first 2 churches have to also be linked to the design and the
second alignment from the Great Pyramid to Ephesus does this and the special nature of the Latitude and
Longitude where the 2 bearing lines cross near Troy was intended to confirm the validity of these bearing lines.

The point for this thread on UM is that these things are now coming to light and the evident geometric links to
the Book of Revelations with it's church sites and textual comments makes it necessary to ask if this is a time of Revelation ?
That is something that any UM user interested in the topic will have to decide for themselves based on the evidence now available.


Edited by laver, 22 October 2013 - 05:12 PM.


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Posted 23 October 2013 - 03:38 PM

A note on the last Post - 1393

As stated Ephesus is a key location in the proposed ancient landscape geometry.
It has origins that we now know date back to the Neolithic and its sacred site, the Temple of Artemis,
also has very ancient origins as a 'sacred' or 'holy' location at least back to the Bronze Age and possibly
earlier.
As noted the Temple of Artemis site at 37deg 56min 59sec north and 27deg 21min 50sec east of the Greenwich
Meridian is exactly on the 112 degree Great Circle bearing from Temple Farm in Wiltshire. As seen there are 3
whole degree bearings from Temple Farm to the Holy Land, 110 deg, 111 deg, and 112 deg so the 112 degree
bearing is the southern most of the bearings going exactly to Mamre and highlighting other Holy Land sites.
The accuracy of this ancient landscape design is staggering.
If we take the central location of Ephesus near the Temple of Artemis site it changes the bearing from 112. 0 to 112.05
so this Temple location was selected with great care if it was supposed to be drawing our attention to this bearing line.
Of course this site has to also set the bearing from the Great Pyramid to provide the Crossing Point of the
110 degree bearing near Troy at 39 / 39 / 39 north and 26 / 26 / 26 east.....clever stuff, even today, let alone
thousands of years ago when these sites were established  ?


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Posted 26 October 2013 - 12:19 PM

CROP CIRCLES

Crop circles or designs are a part of the title of ths thread on UM but to newcomers to
the thread have not featured much in recent posts.
So just a reminder that the reason crop designs might be a sign of Revelation is based
on the fact that over many years the center of this phenomina has been Wiltshire in
southern Britain with about 90 per cent occurring in this general area.
Some crop circles are clearly man made but there is no evidence that all are and indications
some may not be.

The proposed ancient landscape geometry discussed on the thread is
also in Wiltshire as discovered by the researcher David  Furlong, and written about in his
book 'The Keys to the Temple', and this layout using the design of the Great Pyramid
identifies a focal point of Temple Farm near Avebury.

Further investigation revealed that Great Circle bearings from Temple Farm highlighted
alignments of ancient sites in the Holy Land and one bearing correlated with 5 of the 7 church sites noted
at the start of the Book of Revelations as it passes through Turkey. Now this has been found out it is reasonable
to ask if this is a time of Revelation.

If some crop designs are not man made, which many people think may be the case, then it is also
reasonable, and probably sensible, to ask if there is a connection between these 2 strange phenomina
given their geographic coincidence.





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