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Posted 03 December 2013 - 11:13 PM

View PostQuaentum, on 02 December 2013 - 05:54 PM, said:

Laver,

No one has backed off because of the supposed landscape geometry precisely because the landscape geometry has not been validated.  If you would re-read this topic from the beginning you will find many of your posts have been shown to be in error.  The fact that you ignore those corrections and continue as if nothing has been shown to be wrong does not in any way validate or support the geometry or your hypothesis.  To be taken seriously, you need to take into account where you were shown to be wrong and alter your hypothesis to take into account those errors or show, using third party sources where the posts that point out your errors are themselves incorrect.  Failing to do so just leaves you as someone with a fantasy tale.

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You are so so wrong.
No errors have been shown up on the proposals of this thread.

The Great Pyramid is as stated by David Furlong in 'The Keys to the Temple' a height to base structure of 7 / 11 proportions and other features that
fit his landscape geometry in Wiltshire leading to Temple Farm. It demonstrates Pi as 22 / 7.There have been pages of erroneous nonsense
by debunkers trying, for some reason, to prove this is not the case. But it is and only requires very basic math and geometry to understand. FACT.
Hopefully many UM users will check this and accept its validity.

If you take the trouble to study Furlong's twin circle discovery in Wiltshire, twin circles of some 12 miles in diameter, with its geometric links to the Great Pyramid, a reasonable person would quickly realise that it would be virtually impossible for Furlong to have invented it and found a place to locate it in the British countryside as some sort of hoax. His book describes in detail how he found it and it leads us to a location - Temple Farm.
FACT

The bearing line 110 degrees from Temple Farm highlights 5 of 7 'church' sites from the Book of Revelations, and all 3 whole degree bearing lines from Temple Farm highlight alignments of ancient locations in the Holy Land. FACT.
All this is detailed in posts on this thread.
The other 2 Revelation 'church' are highlighted by a bearing from the Great Pyramid to the first Revelation site, Ephesus, which crosses the
110 degree bearing at a Latitude and Longitude of 39 / 39 / 39 and 26 / 26 / 26.
2 other geometric locations in this design have repetitive numbers in the Latitude 38 / 38 / 38 and 32 / 32 / 32 as detailed in previous posts.
This was clearly an intended message built into the design by the intelligence that set out this geometric layout many thousands of years ago.

Hopefully the actions of a few debunkers on this thread posting false and misleading information will not deter other UM users from giving the proposals proper consideration in a search for truth because the implications of David Furlong's discoveries and the subsequent
links to the Holy Land and all 7 'churches' of Revelation are very profound.
Who was / were the designer(s) of this amazing layout over 5 thousand years ago ?
No known culture of the ancient world could have done it and we may have to conclude that it was done by a non-terrestrial intelligence
be that 'alien' or 'divine'.

One thing is certain it was meant at some time to be discovered and revealed which is now starting to happen.....

Edited by laver, 03 December 2013 - 11:17 PM.


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Posted 05 December 2013 - 07:09 AM

Copy reply to Harte on History of the Earth - Who are the Anunnaki   -  5th December 2013


There is no doubt that the locations used by David Furlong in his twin circle design date back to at least Neolithic times, all locations do. But the
important question is whether they had been known to be 'sacred' or 'holy' sites for thousands of years and hence used as the sites of early
Christian churches.
We know as detailed in previous posts on 'Crop Circles just one sign of Revelation' thread that Pope Gregory, about 500CE, told early missionaries to
use ancient holy sites for new Christian establishments so it is very possible that the Furlong circle sites have very ancient origins as markers for the
twin circles found by him.
The very fact that these markers create the twin circles overlapped just the right amount to fit the 7 / 11 height to base ratio of the
Great Pyramid, which itself demonstrates the Pi fraction of 22 / 7 and hence the circle, suggests these ancient sites are linked.
( see Crop Circles just one sign of Revelation Page 93 Post 1382 of the 10th October 2013 for the Furlong discovery)

The upper or 'Kings' Chamber in the pyramid as overlaid on the Wiltshire countryside points to Temple Farm as for some reason an important location.

This location leads to the discovery of bearing lines from this site to the Holy Land highlighting alignments and 'churches' of Revelation as detailed
in other posts with 3 key geometric locations marked by the designer(s) of this layout by the use of triple repetitve numbers in the Latitudes of these
locations 39 / 39 / 39 , 38 / 38 / 38, 32 / 32 / 32.
The bearings that highlight all 7 of the 7 'churches' of Revelation come from Temple Farm in Wiltshire Britain and the Great Pyramid in Egypt.

You say there is no evidence but the evidence is there as detailed in previous post on the other thread.

I will copy this post to the other thread so that it is filed in the right place but it is relevant to this thread and the possibility of 'outside influence'
on our world in the distant past because we know of no earthly civilisation or culture that could have set out this landscape geometry
thousands of years ago.

If you have any queries please address them to the other thread where these matters are being discussed.


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Posted 06 December 2013 - 03:30 PM

file:///C:\DOCUME~1\PUBLIC~1\LOCALS~1\Temp\msohtml1\01\clip_image001.png  
Illustration – Great Circle bearing lines from Temple Farm Wiltshire to the
Holy Land, 110, 111, and 112 degrees. The 110 degree bearing highlights the
last 5 of the 7 churches of Revelation listed for messages at the start of the Book of
Revelations.
The first 2 churches are highlighted by a bearing from the Great Pyramid
to Ephesus which then crosses the 110 degree bearing at a very significant
location -
39 degrees 39 minutes 39 seconds North
26 degrees 26 minutes 26 seconds West

The 111 degree bearing line passes just north of the possible location of Old
Smyrna and crosses its Longitude at  a Latitude of –
38 degrees 38 minutes 38 seconds North

This 111 degree bearing line then goes to the Holy Land where it crosses the
coast at the site of an ancient tower at a Latitude of –
32 degrees 32 minutes 32 seconds North

Strange coincidences or geometric messages from the distant past …..?


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Posted 13 December 2013 - 10:57 AM

Note - the Map / Illustration refered to in the last post 1413 did not reproduce on the thread for some reason.
Will try again because it illustrates how the bearing lines from Temple Farm and the Great Pyramid
relate to each other and highlight all 7 Revelation churches. It shows how and where these bearings
identify geographical locations with repetitive numbers in the Latitudes, 3 examples, and the most important one also has
repetitive numbers in the Longitude from the Greenwich Meridian.

Now anyone who turns a blind eye to this clear evidence must be deludeing themselves because these facts are
quite beyond coincidence and hence must have been built into the landscape design with presumably the intention that at
some time it would be found and provide positive proof of the geometry.
This has only happened because of David Furlong's discoveries leading to Temple Farm as a focal point based on the
geometry of the Great Pyramid and using sites like the Avebury stone circle site. So we are talking about an age of this clear
geometric design of at least 2500 - 3000 years BCE; and maybe much older.

The fact that this long range landscape geometry is demonstrated by 'church' sites and text comments from the
Book of Revelations should perhaps not be overlooked if seeking the truth not just trying to debunk the topic of
this thread. This book tells us that there is a 'secret meaning' in the 7 'church' sites and maybe we should now take note....


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Posted 13 December 2013 - 05:45 PM

View Postlaver, on 03 December 2013 - 11:13 PM, said:

Quaentum

You are so so wrong.
No errors have been shown up on the proposals of this thread.

The Great Pyramid is as stated by David Furlong in 'The Keys to the Temple' a height to base structure of 7 / 11 proportions and other features that
fit his landscape geometry in Wiltshire leading to Temple Farm. It demonstrates Pi as 22 / 7.There have been pages of erroneous nonsense
by debunkers trying, for some reason, to prove this is not the case. But it is and only requires very basic math and geometry to understand. FACT.
Hopefully many UM users will check this and accept its validity.

If you take the trouble to study Furlong's twin circle discovery in Wiltshire, twin circles of some 12 miles in diameter, with its geometric links to the Great Pyramid, a reasonable person would quickly realise that it would be virtually impossible for Furlong to have invented it and found a place to locate it in the British countryside as some sort of hoax. His book describes in detail how he found it and it leads us to a location - Temple Farm.
FACT

The bearing line 110 degrees from Temple Farm highlights 5 of 7 'church' sites from the Book of Revelations, and all 3 whole degree bearing lines from Temple Farm highlight alignments of ancient locations in the Holy Land. FACT.
All this is detailed in posts on this thread.
The other 2 Revelation 'church' are highlighted by a bearing from the Great Pyramid to the first Revelation site, Ephesus, which crosses the
110 degree bearing at a Latitude and Longitude of 39 / 39 / 39 and 26 / 26 / 26.
2 other geometric locations in this design have repetitive numbers in the Latitude 38 / 38 / 38 and 32 / 32 / 32 as detailed in previous posts.
This was clearly an intended message built into the design by the intelligence that set out this geometric layout many thousands of years ago.

Hopefully the actions of a few debunkers on this thread posting false and misleading information will not deter other UM users from giving the proposals proper consideration in a search for truth because the implications of David Furlong's discoveries and the subsequent
links to the Holy Land and all 7 'churches' of Revelation are very profound.
Who was / were the designer(s) of this amazing layout over 5 thousand years ago ?
No known culture of the ancient world could have done it and we may have to conclude that it was done by a non-terrestrial intelligence
be that 'alien' or 'divine'.

One thing is certain it was meant at some time to be discovered and revealed which is now starting to happen.....

The biggest error is trying (unsuccessfully) to show that there is a correlation between various locations such as the Great Pyramid, the churches that are listed in the Bible and a crop circle in England despite the fact that the various elements presented as part of the hypothesis did not exist at the same time the Great Pyramid was built and the Egyptians had no foreknowledge of their existence so could not have made plans to build the Great Pyramid based on their existence.

Without prior knowledge, the Egyptians could not have made the Great Pyramid part of any design and all references to that are merely coincidence.

Also, earlier in the thread you tried to tie in the Mayan Calendar into the hypothesis, probably not knowing that in 2010 the Dutch found that there were errors made with the calculations of the end date so it was wrong.  When the errors were accounted for the researchers found that the Mayan Calendar does not end until 2220, 107 years from now and can't apply to your hypothesis.

So there you have two errors one purposeful and the other accidental.  Quite clearly showing that there were errors presented.

AA LOGIC
They didn't use thousands of workers - oops forgot about the work camps
There's no evidence for ramps - You found one?...Bummer
Well we know they didn't use ancient tools to cut and shape the stones - Chisel marks?  Craps
I still say aliens built them!

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Posted 14 December 2013 - 03:20 PM

View PostQuaentum, on 13 December 2013 - 05:45 PM, said:

The biggest error is trying (unsuccessfully) to show that there is a correlation between various locations such as the Great Pyramid, the churches that are listed in the Bible and a crop circle in England despite the fact that the various elements presented as part of the hypothesis did not exist at the same time the Great Pyramid was built and the Egyptians had no foreknowledge of their existence so could not have made plans to build the Great Pyramid based on their existence.

Without prior knowledge, the Egyptians could not have made the Great Pyramid part of any design and all references to that are merely coincidence.

Also, earlier in the thread you tried to tie in the Mayan Calendar into the hypothesis, probably not knowing that in 2010 the Dutch found that there were errors made with the calculations of the end date so it was wrong.  When the errors were accounted for the researchers found that the Mayan Calendar does not end until 2220, 107 years from now and can't apply to your hypothesis.

So there you have two errors one purposeful and the other accidental.  Quite clearly showing that there were errors presented.

No error is involved in the proposals on this thread.

The Furlong discovery of ancient landscape geometry, the twin circles and vesica, are fully explained in his book 'The Keys to the Temple' with details of how
he found it and used the factual geometry of the Great Pyramid to identify a particular geographic location - Temple Farm in Wiltshire.

If you just take the time to consider it - how could Furlong have invented these 12 mile circles overlapped just the right amount to fit the Great Pyramid
geometry with sites on the landscape to mark it out ? - a virtual impossibilty to just create the design and find somewhere to place it in southern Britain.
The design exists, the sites are there on the landscape, you can visit most of them or draw it out on a map.

So stage 1  is the Great Pyramid geometry which is a  FACT and stage 2 the Furlong discoveries which lead us to Temple Farm. Why ?
David Furlong does not explain why Temple Farm might be an very important location. He does write about the factual link between
this location and the Knights Templar hundreds of years ago and a poster on this thread, Bee, posted interesting information about a
landscape head close to Temple Farm which might be relevant as the Templars have close links to the head.

But stage 3 is to see if this location - Temple Farm - has any special significance and it turns out that it does.
From this location, 51 degrees 27 minutes north of the Equator and 1 degree 48 minutes west of the Greenwich Meridian, Great Circle
bearings highlight alignments of very ancient sites in the Holy Land and 5 of the 7 'churches' of Revelation. A second alignment from
the Great Pyramid to Ephesus highlights the other 2 Revelation 'church' sites. But where these bearings cross in north west Turkey
the Latitude and Longitude is a clear message of confirmation - 39 / 39 / 39 north and 26 / 26 / 26 east. As noted in previous posts 2
other key locations in the geometry use repetitive numbers so this is no chance coincidence but proof positive of the ancient landscape
geometry which must have been set out at least 4500 years BCE.
It is also proof of the validity of David Furlong's landscape geometry in Wiltshire and the reason the Great Pyramid was built to the design
it was and in the place it was as a crucial geometric message and landscape marker.

Now if you are seriously trying to write off all the details given in many post on this thread as just a 'coincidence' there must be something
seriously wrong with your reasoning or you are suffering from wilfull blindness.

On Crop Circles this thread is just pointing out the fact that 90 per cent of designs have occurred in the Wiltshire area of southern Britain,
some at Temple Farm, and since we do know if all crop designs are man made there might be a link to the ancient landscape geometry,
which also has it's focal point in Wiltshire, a fact that other UM users might like to consider. This may not apply to you as you may be a believer
in the theory that all crop designs are man made - but millions of others are not so sure.....


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Posted 17 December 2013 - 10:51 PM

Copy of reply to 'Skithia' and others on Ancient Aliens


A geometric alignment is a FACT, which could be a coincidence or evidence of a design 'by person or persons unknown'.
The bearings and alignments quoted on another thread are FACTS and have been checked and details posted.
If a design, because of the great age of the sites concerned, it must be very old at least some 4500 years and maybe much older.
The term 'person or persons' has in this case to include 'non terrestrials' as we know of no human culture that could have created the design.
The Great Pyramid geometry or shape provides one important clue to understanding the design; a ratio of height to base,7 / 11, and the 'circle'
by the use of Pi as 22 / 7. The circles found in Wiltshire conform to this ratio and point to a location - Temple Farm.
Great Circle bearings from this point, T F, highlight alignments of sites, see other thread for details
The Great Pyramid location is an important landmark in the landscape geometry.
We do not yet know how or why the Great Pyramid was built - just a tomb or maybe much more.
Great Circle bearings from T F to the Holy Land highlight ancient sites and 5 of 7 'churches' of Revelation
Great Circle bearing from the Great Pyramid highlights the other 2 Revelation 'church' sites
Where these bearings cross in north west Turkey is a highly significant location 39 / 39 / 39 north and 26 / 26 / 26 east.
This is only one of 3 examples of repetitive numbers in the Latitude of geometric positions in the design.

If an 'Ancient Alien', divine or otherwise, culture wished to leave a message for humanity then this design is a clear way to do it
using ratios and the relative Latitude and Longitude positions of 'sacred' sites.
It is very interesting that the clues to this obviously very ancient design are contained in the Book of Revelations by reference to
geographical 'church' locations although no 'church' buildings as we know them would then have been in existence. Whatever the
source was for this book it must have known about the ancient geometric design and actually tells us there is a 'secret meaning' in the
7 'church' sites chosen for messages.

Full details are available on the 'Crop Circle just one sign of Revelation' thread where this reply will be copied for good order.
It is clear that most debunkers now avoid this thread because of the facts it reveals but any detailed discussion should really be on
that thread and be a quest for truth not just attempts to discredit proposals that may run counter to some people's beliefs.


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Posted 23 December 2013 - 12:24 AM

Copy of reply on 'Eye of Horus' thread which is an item discussed on previous pages of this thread
  

Reply to a couple of posters

The 'Eye of Horus' / 'Eye of God' was raised on another thread months ago so it is quite appropriate to
remind or introduce another interpretation of this very important Egyptian symbol on this thread.
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Posted 10 October 2013 - 10:14 PM
Just take another look....

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If you want to believe that it is all just a huge set of coincidences..that is up to you ..but

this thread is now saying... what if it is an ancient design...why Temple Farm as a focal point ?
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The above reproduction of a post from the other thread shows the landscape layout -
now just take a look at the Hubble picture of the Hourglass Nebula, called 'The Eye of God' and you will see the similarity.

This would not be so important if it has not been clearly shown on the other thread that this geometry leads us to
churches and references in the Book of Revelations with ancient geometric proofs of it's validity.
For details please go to the other thread - where this post will be copied for good order.

I appreciate that some posters on this forum are just trying to debunk any 'alternative ideas' but if this forum has a value
it is to look at mysteries from the past and try to seek the truth.
The geometry is true and it will not go away much as some people would like it to in order that they do not have to change
their beliefs.
We do not yet know how the ancient geometry was set out but being beyond the capabilites of any known culture over 4500 years
ago an 'outside' source must be a very strong possibility to a reasonable individual.
It would thus be 'alien' 'foreign' 'divine' depending on your preference but clearly set out as a message for the future when it's existence
would be revealed. Now would seem to possibly be that time......


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Posted 23 December 2013 - 05:30 AM

I would appreciate it if you would stop promoting this thread on other threads. It's a rather obvious ploy. In the original instance I did not mind because, well, it was only one time. It's gotten out of hand. Please be advised that I might be inclined, going forward, to delete promotions of this thread in other threads.

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Posted 23 December 2013 - 08:01 PM

View Postlaver, on 14 December 2013 - 03:20 PM, said:

No error is involved in the proposals on this thread.

The Furlong discovery of ancient landscape geometry, the twin circles and vesica, are fully explained in his book 'The Keys to the Temple' with details of how
he found it and used the factual geometry of the Great Pyramid to identify a particular geographic location - Temple Farm in Wiltshire.

If you just take the time to consider it - how could Furlong have invented these 12 mile circles overlapped just the right amount to fit the Great Pyramid
geometry with sites on the landscape to mark it out ? - a virtual impossibilty to just create the design and find somewhere to place it in southern Britain.
The design exists, the sites are there on the landscape, you can visit most of them or draw it out on a map.

So stage 1  is the Great Pyramid geometry which is a  FACT and stage 2 the Furlong discoveries which lead us to Temple Farm. Why ?
David Furlong does not explain why Temple Farm might be an very important location. He does write about the factual link between
this location and the Knights Templar hundreds of years ago and a poster on this thread, Bee, posted interesting information about a
landscape head close to Temple Farm which might be relevant as the Templars have close links to the head.

But stage 3 is to see if this location - Temple Farm - has any special significance and it turns out that it does.
From this location, 51 degrees 27 minutes north of the Equator and 1 degree 48 minutes west of the Greenwich Meridian, Great Circle
bearings highlight alignments of very ancient sites in the Holy Land and 5 of the 7 'churches' of Revelation. A second alignment from
the Great Pyramid to Ephesus highlights the other 2 Revelation 'church' sites. But where these bearings cross in north west Turkey
the Latitude and Longitude is a clear message of confirmation - 39 / 39 / 39 north and 26 / 26 / 26 east. As noted in previous posts 2
other key locations in the geometry use repetitive numbers so this is no chance coincidence but proof positive of the ancient landscape
geometry which must have been set out at least 4500 years BCE.
It is also proof of the validity of David Furlong's landscape geometry in Wiltshire and the reason the Great Pyramid was built to the design
it was and in the place it was as a crucial geometric message and landscape marker.

Now if you are seriously trying to write off all the details given in many post on this thread as just a 'coincidence' there must be something
seriously wrong with your reasoning or you are suffering from wilfull blindness.

On Crop Circles this thread is just pointing out the fact that 90 per cent of designs have occurred in the Wiltshire area of southern Britain,
some at Temple Farm, and since we do know if all crop designs are man made there might be a link to the ancient landscape geometry,
which also has it's focal point in Wiltshire, a fact that other UM users might like to consider. This may not apply to you as you may be a believer
in the theory that all crop designs are man made - but millions of others are not so sure.....

It was pointed out earlier in this thread by someone else that several of the structures do not fall on the circles.  For them to be in alignment with the circle they must fall on the circle.  If it is known that they do not fall on the circle but are included anyway as a means of trying to bolster the hypothesis then what you have is dishonesty not discovery.  Since all the structures do not align to the circles then yes, for those specific structures that don't, you do have invention.

As has been pointed out to you, the longitude we use did not come into being until well after the pyramids were built so couldn't have been used as part of the design process.  It means that the supposed important replicated numbers are, as far as longitude is concerned, mere coincidence.  As such it is not proof of the supposed landscape geometry, does not validate Furlong and doesn't indicate that the GP was built to the design the hypothesis presents.

We know specific crop circles that are man made because of documentation, physical evidence, etc... and others that are lacking that information but to assume it must other than humans that made the temple farm circle based on that lack is to ignore that there is ZERO evidence that any circles were made by other than humans.  Oh and can you please post a link to anything that supports that millions are not so sure that humans have made all crop circles

As far as Temple Farm, it does not align with 5 of the seven churches.  It aligns with one and 4 others are relatively close given that the other two churches are nowhere near it.  To be aligned with 5 churches, all of them would have to be on the line and they are not.

This site http://www.british-h...px?compid=16080  Has a history of the area.  I found this part interesting:

Quote

The later site of the manor farm is marked by the house now called Temple Farm after the Temple family of Bishopstrow, which leased and later owned the demesnes from the mid-17th century.
  That's some 400 years after the end of the Knights Templar.  Seems the farms name was not derived from anything Templar and indeed in the entire article the Knights Templar aren't even mentioned.

Why indeed does David Furlong view Temple Farm as important?  The answer is in the article I linked to.  Evidently Wiltshire has had Furlongs living there for some time.  I'd be willing to bet he is related to one or more of them.  So it looks more to be a personal reason than a professional one.

What we don't have is evidence to back the details provided by Furlong that you support.

What we do have is you wearing your cosmic blinders.  You have been shown why some of those details are in error such as not all locations actually aligning as indicated or that the pyramid builders could not have made their calculations on a longitude system that didn't exist, etc... and you either ignore the post or indicate that those showing you the errors are wrong and that there are no errors.

AA LOGIC
They didn't use thousands of workers - oops forgot about the work camps
There's no evidence for ramps - You found one?...Bummer
Well we know they didn't use ancient tools to cut and shape the stones - Chisel marks?  Craps
I still say aliens built them!

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Posted 11 January 2014 - 06:10 PM

View PostQuaentum, on 23 December 2013 - 08:01 PM, said:

It was pointed out earlier in this thread by someone else that several of the structures do not fall on the circles.  For them to be in alignment with the circle they must fall on the circle.  If it is known that they do not fall on the circle but are included anyway as a means of trying to bolster the hypothesis then what you have is dishonesty not discovery.  Since all the structures do not align to the circles then yes, for those specific structures that don't, you do have invention.

As has been pointed out to you, the longitude we use did not come into being until well after the pyramids were built so couldn't have been used as part of the design process.  It means that the supposed important replicated numbers are, as far as longitude is concerned, mere coincidence.  As such it is not proof of the supposed landscape geometry, does not validate Furlong and doesn't indicate that the GP was built to the design the hypothesis presents.

We know specific crop circles that are man made because of documentation, physical evidence, etc... and others that are lacking that information but to assume it must other than humans that made the temple farm circle based on that lack is to ignore that there is ZERO evidence that any circles were made by other than humans.  Oh and can you please post a link to anything that supports that millions are not so sure that humans have made all crop circles

As far as Temple Farm, it does not align with 5 of the seven churches.  It aligns with one and 4 others are relatively close given that the other two churches are nowhere near it.  To be aligned with 5 churches, all of them would have to be on the line and they are not.

This site http://www.british-h...px?compid=16080  Has a history of the area.  I found this part interesting:

  That's some 400 years after the end of the Knights Templar.  Seems the farms name was not derived from anything Templar and indeed in the entire article the Knights Templar aren't even menti[/color][/size]oned.

Why indeed does David Furlong view Temple Farm as important?  The answer is in the article I linked to.  Evidently Wiltshire has had Furlongs living there for some time.  I'd be willing to bet he is related to one or more of them.  So it looks more to be a personal reason than a professional one.

What we don't have is evidence to back the details provided by Furlong that you support.

What we do have is you wearing your cosmic blinders.  You have been shown why some of those details are in error such as not all locations actually aligning as indicated or that the pyramid builders could not have made their calculations on a longitude system that didn't exist, etc... and you either ignore the post or indicate that those showing you the errors are wrong and that there are no errors.

Para 1 - Please read David Furlongs Statistical analysis of Marlborough Downs Eastern Circle -Table 1 page 25 'The Keys to the Temple'
  and Table 2 page 57 - Statistical analysis of Western Circle.
He records a maximum variation of 72 metres, eastern circle, and 93 metres, western circle. The circles are 12 Miles in diameter.

Para 2 - I have always stated that the repetitive numbers in the Longitude of the crossover point of the 2 Revelation 'church' bearings, 110 degrees from
Temple Farm and 339.61 from the Great Pyramid, in north west Turkey appears to maybe be a coincidence but might not be. The Latitude repetitive numbers
at this location and 2 other key locations on the 111 degree bearing were clearly built into the design to demonstrate its validity.

Para 3 - Focal point of crop circles - Wiltshire area in southern Britain.
  Focal point of very ancient landscape geometry - Wiltshire in southern Britain - Temple Farm.
No survey available on numbers of people who believe some crop circles may not be man made but a survey showed majority of Americans believe in UFO's
so millions must also think some crop designs, not obviously man made, may have an 'outside' source.

Para 4 - Full details have been given in previous posts of the bearings to the 5 Revelation 'church' sites highlighted by bearing line 110 from Temple Farm.
The 2 other Revelation 'church sites are highlighted by a bearing from the Great Pyramid as detailed in previous posts. Where these 2 bearings cross we
are given the confirmation of a special geographic location - 39 / 39 / 39 N and 26 / 26 / 26 E.

Para 5 - Temple Farm is a well recorded Knights Templar base (see previous posts) . Whether this is related to the landscape geometry that has now been
discovered with its focal point at Temple Farm is a matter worth considering particularly as this geometry leads us straight to the Book of Revelations
with confirmations in the text of this book that indicate the source of the book knew about the landscape geometry. See previos posts for full details.

Methinks you and a few others are the ones wearing 'cosmic blinders' if you think all this is just a huge set of 'coincidences' and not clear evidence
of a very ancient design with huge implications as it is fully revealed.
This revealing process which is now happening must surely make a reasonable person ask......is this a time of Revelation ?


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Posted 13 January 2014 - 03:47 AM

View Postlaver, on 11 January 2014 - 06:10 PM, said:

Para 1 - Please read David Furlongs Statistical analysis of Marlborough Downs Eastern Circle -Table 1 page 25 'The Keys to the Temple'
  and Table 2 page 57 - Statistical analysis of Western Circle.
He records a maximum variation of 72 metres, eastern circle, and 93 metres, western circle. The circles are 12 Miles in diameter.

His analysis includes certain structures aligned on each circle.  Not all the structures he lists align on the circles (as was shown previously on this thread) so it pretty much negates his analysis.  You can not tout the accuracy of an analysis when elements of that analysis are in error.

laver said:

Para 2 - I have always stated that the repetitive numbers in the Longitude of the crossover point of the 2 Revelation 'church' bearings, 110 degrees from
Temple Farm and 339.61 from the Great Pyramid, in north west Turkey appears to maybe be a coincidence but might not be. The Latitude repetitive numbers
at this location and 2 other key locations on the 111 degree bearing were clearly built into the design to demonstrate its validity.

Since Latitude was discovered by Eratosthenes in the 3rd century BCE, 2200 years after the Great Pyramid was built, it could not have been placed with the supposed design in mind.  This also applies to any of the locations built before Eratosthenes discovery.  Since the design requires the GP to have been built in it';s exact location to be part of the design and latitude was not available to the ancient Egyptian's then it's alignment with any of the other structures is purely coincidence and not planned.

laver said:

Para 3 - Focal point of crop circles - Wiltshire area in southern Britain.
  Focal point of very ancient landscape geometry - Wiltshire in southern Britain - Temple Farm.
No survey available on numbers of people who believe some crop circles may not be man made but a survey showed majority of Americans believe in UFO's
so millions must also think some crop designs, not obviously man made, may have an 'outside' source.

For Wiltshire to be the focal point of the hypothesis then everything in Furlong's book has to be accurate and they are not.  There is no direct correlation of Americans who believe in UFO also believing that crop circles are not man made especially considering the news stories that have covered man made crop circles.  Also no evidence has been presented to show that the Wiltshire crop circles, especially those at Temple Farm are made by anything other than humans.

laver said:

Para 4 - Full details have been given in previous posts of the bearings to the 5 Revelation 'church' sites highlighted by bearing line 110 from Temple Farm.
The 2 other Revelation 'church sites are highlighted by a bearing from the Great Pyramid as detailed in previous posts. Where these 2 bearings cross we
are given the confirmation of a special geographic location - 39 / 39 / 39 N and 26 / 26 / 26 E.

As has been shown the churches do not all align on 110.  In fact only 1 aligns on 110 and the others are "close" relatively speaking.  However, close does not mean aligned.  Since the Great Pyramid could not have been placed with latitude and longitude that did not exist at the time, any alignment with the churches is purely coincidence, unless actual evidence to the contrary is discovered.

laver said:

Para 5 - Temple Farm is a well recorded Knights Templar base (see previous posts) . Whether this is related to the landscape geometry that has now been
discovered with its focal point at Temple Farm is a matter worth considering particularly as this geometry leads us straight to the Book of Revelations
with confirmations in the text of this book that indicate the source of the book knew about the landscape geometry. See previos posts for full details.

The posts mean nothing in that respect.  In all the sites I could find about Wiltshire history, one of which I linked to, none of them indicated anything about the Knights Templar.   Unless you can find a historical accounting of the Templar's in the area, then we are bound by the history of Wiltshire that does not include the Knight's Templar.

laver said:

Methinks you and a few others are the ones wearing 'cosmic blinders' if you think all this is just a huge set of 'coincidences' and not clear evidence
of a very ancient design with huge implications as it is fully revealed.
This revealing process which is now happening must surely make a reasonable person ask......is this a time of Revelation ?

You have been shown the errors of Furlong's statements yet continue on as if those errors don't exist.  The blinders are your inability to see and/or accept where furlong is wrong or has lied.  You continue on as if he is 100% correct and tout it as fact.  In reality, nothing has been presented that supports his or your contentions and when asked for evidence your only recourse is to reference Furlong;'s book which has been shown to be faulty.  A reasonable person, when presented with facts that contradict what is in Furlong's book would reevaluate the claims using outside sources.

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Posted 14 January 2014 - 02:09 PM

View PostQuaentum, on 13 January 2014 - 03:47 AM, said:

His analysis includes certain structures aligned on each circle.  Not all the structures he lists align on the circles (as was shown previously on this thread) so it pretty much negates his analysis.  You can not tout the accuracy of an analysis when elements of that analysis are in error.



Since Latitude was discovered by Eratosthenes in the 3rd century BCE, 2200 years after the Great Pyramid was built, it could not have been placed with the supposed design in mind.  This also applies to any of the locations built before Eratosthenes discovery.  Since the design requires the GP to have been built in it';s exact location to be part of the design and latitude was not available to the ancient Egyptian's then it's alignment with any of the other structures is purely coincidence and not planned.



For Wiltshire to be the focal point of the hypothesis then everything in Furlong's book has to be accurate and they are not.  There is no direct correlation of Americans who believe in UFO also believing that crop circles are not man made especially considering the news stories that have covered man made crop circles.  Also no evidence has been presented to show that the Wiltshire crop circles, especially those at Temple Farm are made by anything other than humans.



As has been shown the churches do not all align on 110.  In fact only 1 aligns on 110 and the others are "close" relatively speaking.  However, close does not mean aligned.  Since the Great Pyramid could not have been placed with latitude and longitude that did not exist at the time, any alignment with the churches is purely coincidence, unless actual evidence to the contrary is discovered.



The posts mean nothing in that respect.  In all the sites I could find about Wiltshire history, one of which I linked to, none of them indicated anything about the Knights Templar.   Unless you can find a historical accounting of the Templar's in the area, then we are bound by the history of Wiltshire that does not include the Knight's Templar.



You have been shown the errors of Furlong's statements yet continue on as if those errors don't exist.  The blinders are your inability to see and/or accept where furlong is wrong or has lied.  You continue on as if he is 100% correct and tout it as fact.  In reality, nothing has been presented that supports his or your contentions and when asked for evidence your only recourse is to reference Furlong;'s book which has been shown to be faulty.  A reasonable person, when presented with facts that contradict what is in Furlong's book would reevaluate the claims using outside sources.

Just to set the record straight David Furlong wrote a book with full details of his proposed twin circles on the Marlborough Downs which includes Ordinance Survey
references for each site on both circles and variations from a perfect circle of some 12 miles in diameter. These variations are very small, a matter of a few metres.
An unnamed poster on UM just says he is wrong.
Please indicate which sites used by Furlong are not at the OS grid references given by Furlong in his book.

Latitude has existed since the Earth took shape. When the concept was first recorded historically is irrelevant because it is clear from the now known age of some
of the sites involved that this design is at least some 4500 years old and may be much older.
The 'designer(s)' of this layout were clearly using Latitude and Longitude to set out the design with Great Circle bearings between locations and of interest is the
fact that they clearly used divisions of 60 in degrees, minutes and seconds as we do today.
This is evident from the 3 examples of repetitive numbers at key geometric locations in the design. 39 / 39 / 39, 38 / 38 / 38 and 32 / 32 / 32. See previous posts
for details. The Longitude of the cross over point, Latitude 39 / 39 / 39, where the 110 degree bearing from Temple Farm highlighting 5 Revelation 'church' sites crosses the 339.61 bearing from the Great Pyramid, highlighting the other 2 Revelation 'church' sites, is also interesting as it was found to be 26 / 26 / 26 from Greenwich.
This could be coincidence but a very strange one.

Crop circles - You may believe that all crop designs are man made but that is a belief not a fact and there are many aspects of this phenomena that raise
serious doubts that this is the case. This thread is just pointing out that the focal point of crop designs has been Wiltshire and if some are not man made
then there may be a reason for this. Wiltshire being the focal point of the ancient landscape geometry from Temple Farm may be a relevant factor that
UM users might like to consider.

The 5 Revelation 'church' sites that are highlighted by the 110 degree bearing from Temple Farm fall alternately to the north then south of the line in biblical
order with the last, Laodicea, exactly on the line before this bearing then goes to the Sea of Galilee at Magdala. See previous posts for full details.
The text of Revelations says that Laodicea is 'neither hot nor cold' and that it is the place where the source of this book ' stands knocking at the door....'

The Furlong proposals about his twin circles that fit the design of the Great Pyramid take us to Temple Farm in Wltshire and if there had proved to be no
significance in this location that might have been the end of the story, but on investigation Temple Farm does have a huge significance in long distance
bearings to other ancient sites and on this thread the links to sites in the Holy Land and 'church' sites from the Book of Revelations are discussed.
Many alignments of ancient sites have been recorded but the involvement of this last book of the bible in sites and textual comments has to be very
important because we do not know where this book came from. What the inspiration for this book was is a mystery as is the ancient landscape geometric
design that it refers to.
One thing seems clear, we might be very unwise to just ignore the book and the geometric design because both must presumably exist for a reason,
a reason that may soon become apparent.


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Posted 14 January 2014 - 09:06 PM

Additional notes on Temple Farm and the Knights Templar


Temple Farm was granted to the Knights Templar in 1155 but until now has not been thought to be a major Templar establishment. It is always listed as a Knights Templar site of England as it is in Wikipedia.
The discoveries of David Furlong which, using the geometric design of the Great Pyramid, draws our attention to this site and raises the question of whether this Templar site was in fact covertly very important to this movement.

Many mysteries have surrounded the story of the Knights Templar which became a very powerful organisation until their demise following the French coup of 1307.
Was the landscape geometry leading to and from Temple Farm a well kept secret of the Templars and possibly behind their influential role over the two hundred years of their existence ?
This might be the case if Temple Farm had some further strategic importance and it has now been shown that this is the case.
Temple Farm as a geographical location does indeed have great significance as a focal point for Great Circle bearings to the Holy Land that highlight alignments of ancient sacred locations and one bearing, 110 degrees, highlights the last 5 of the 7 ‘church’ sites named, in correct biblical order, as given in the first 3 chapters of the Book of Revelations.
The use of the design of the Great Pyramid in the Furlong discovered geometry is emphasised by the fact that it is a bearing from this location that highlights the other first 2 Revelation ‘church’ sites and that the cross over point of these 2 bearing lines is crucial and occurs in north west Turkey at a specific geographical location which is -

39 degrees, 39 minutes, 39 seconds north of the equator
26 degrees, 26 minutes, 26 seconds east of the Greenwich Meridian (within .01 of a bearing degree.)

So we have to ask if the Knights Templar knew why Temple Farm was such an important site, a site that held the key to landscape geometry which takes us to the Book of Revelations and thus maybe a time of Revelation when this landscape geometry was finally discovered and revealed. In other words the Templars held the key to Revelation, a future ‘End of Time’, but probably did not know when this would occur. That would only happen due to the work of many people over many years, and we clearly have not got the full picture yet, but we should not assume that the designer(s) of the geometry did not know the course of future events.

If so it was a huge secret that the Knights Templar were guarding as the landscape geometry was clearly set out thousands of years before the Book of Revelations was written down as a prophecy about the future; ‘what will be hereafter’.
Because of the obvious great age of the sacred sites in the Holy Land linked to this geometry, and indeed in Britain with Avebury being a Furlong circle marker, this great design could not have been set out by any known culture of the ancient world so it raises the questions of who set it out and why ?

The geometry exists - it is a fact; the geometry of the Great Pyramid, its 7 / 11 ratio and other features represented in the Furlong twin circles on the Marlborough Downs leading to Temple Farm. The bearings from this location and then the Great Pyramid which confirm their validity in many ways as demonstrated by the original design using the shape of planet Earth and the latitude and longitude of key locations.

A symbol attributed to the Knights Templar is a central point with lines radiating out
from it sometimes  shown within a circle. This was carved into the stonework of early churches in Britain. It would be reasonable to suggest from all that is now known that this may represent Temple Farm at the centre with bearing lines going from this geographical location and that this was ‘sacred’ knowledge from the distant past.

How could the Templars have known about all this is a relevant question for which there is no easy answer but then what was the source of the Book of Revelations ?
We do not know, but are clearly entering the world of the paranormal – beyond normal explanation.

In this case the evidence of paranormal activity years ago is pretty clear and unequivocal except of course to those who are in denial of the facts.
Some ‘intelligence’ set out this geometric puzzle many thousands of years ago and from the clues to be found in the Book of Revelations and elsewhere it was intended that at some time it would be discovered and revealed. It is pretty clear that Jesus and Mary of Magdala knew about the ancient landscape design both from Revelations and references in the New Testament and Gnostic gospels and that it is Mary who directs the disciples to a mountain special to Jesus by the Sea of Galilee which would appear to be Mount Arbel next to Magdala on the shores of the sea.
This is exactly on the Revelation bearing line from Temple Farm of 110 degrees and where Jesus is recorded as having talked about an ‘End of Time’ ( Matthew 28 : 20 )

So maybe we should take proper notice of what this ancient geometry is demonstrating to us even if we don’t understand how it could have been set out so long ago. All the facts can be checked by any UM user who is interested from the Great Pyramid to the Wiltshire locations identified by David Furlong to Temple Farm and then the biblical sites and locations in the geometry.

Who would not be interested in such an amazing creation with such profound possible implications on our world today and for the future ?


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Posted 16 January 2014 - 09:20 PM

View Postlaver, on 14 January 2014 - 02:09 PM, said:

Just to set the record straight David Furlong wrote a book with full details of his proposed twin circles on the Marlborough Downs which includes Ordinance Survey
references for each site on both circles and variations from a perfect circle of some 12 miles in diameter. These variations are very small, a matter of a few metres.
An unnamed poster on UM just says he is wrong.
Please indicate which sites used by Furlong are not at the OS grid references given by Furlong in his book.

I never said the sites weren't on the grid just that they weren't in alignment.

What is a few meters, 5, 10, 20?  5 of the locations are in excess of 70 meters and one of the 5 is 150 meters from the circle.  If a few meters indicates alignment then those 5 aren't in alignment.

laver said:

Latitude has existed since the Earth took shape. When the concept was first recorded historically is irrelevant because it is clear from the now known age of some
of the sites involved that this design is at least some 4500 years old and may be much older.
The 'designer(s)' of this layout were clearly using Latitude and Longitude to set out the design with Great Circle bearings between locations and of interest is the
fact that they clearly used divisions of 60 in degrees, minutes and seconds as we do today.
This is evident from the 3 examples of repetitive numbers at key geometric locations in the design. 39 / 39 / 39, 38 / 38 / 38 and 32 / 32 / 32. See previous posts
for details. The Longitude of the cross over point, Latitude 39 / 39 / 39, where the 110 degree bearing from Temple Farm highlighting 5 Revelation 'church' sites crosses the 339.61 bearing from the Great Pyramid, highlighting the other 2 Revelation 'church' sites, is also interesting as it was found to be 26 / 26 / 26 from Greenwich.
This could be coincidence but a very strange one.

Though the reference points of both poles and the equator have existed since the world formed, Latitude, a human invention to help locate objects on a map, did not exist until the third century BCE, 2000+ years after the Great Pyramid was built.  There is no "clear use" of Latitude and Longitude by the ancients except in your unevidenced, unsupported claim.

laver said:

Crop circles - You may believe that all crop designs are man made but that is a belief not a fact and there are many aspects of this phenomena that raise
serious doubts that this is the case. This thread is just pointing out that the focal point of crop designs has been Wiltshire and if some are not man made
then there may be a reason for this. Wiltshire being the focal point of the ancient landscape geometry from Temple Farm may be a relevant factor that
UM users might like to consider.

We have evidence of crop circles made by humans.  We have no evidence of crop circles made by anyone/anything other than humans.

laver said:

The 5 Revelation 'church' sites that are highlighted by the 110 degree bearing from Temple Farm fall alternately to the north then south of the line in biblical
order with the last, Laodicea, exactly on the line before this bearing then goes to the Sea of Galilee at Magdala. See previous posts for full details.
The text of Revelations says that Laodicea is 'neither hot nor cold' and that it is the place where the source of this book ' stands knocking at the door....'

The churches do not alternate north then south of the line since one church is at bearing 109 and the other 3 at bearing 131

laver said:

The Furlong proposals about his twin circles that fit the design of the Great Pyramid take us to Temple Farm in Wltshire and if there had proved to be no
significance in this location that might have been the end of the story, but on investigation Temple Farm does have a huge significance in long distance
bearings to other ancient sites and on this thread the links to sites in the Holy Land and 'church' sites from the Book of Revelations are discussed.
Many alignments of ancient sites have been recorded but the involvement of this last book of the bible in sites and textual comments has to be very
important because we do not know where this book came from. What the inspiration for this book was is a mystery as is the ancient landscape geometric
design that it refers to.
One thing seems clear, we might be very unwise to just ignore the book and the geometric design because both must presumably exist for a reason,
a reason that may soon become apparent.

The alignment proposed by Furlong and accepted without question by you doesn't exist.   The churches, especially those at the 131 bearing are more than 100 km from the 110 bearing line. Likewise Smyrna is 20 km from the bearing line run from the GP through Ephesus.  This puts them far more than a few meters from the respective bearing lines and clearly shows that no alignment exists because of the distance.

The lack of alignment of the 7 churches with either the farm or the GP pretty much sinks the entire hypothesis.

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There's no evidence for ramps - You found one?...Bummer
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