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#391    prometheuslocke

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 03:10 PM

View Postprometheuslocke, on 03 April 2013 - 03:35 AM, said:

kmt_sesh: You sound as if you think the actual images depicted in the very large reliefs are inconsequential.  You prefer to fall back on very small inscriptions, which do certainly describe some elements inside the reliefs, but say almost nothing about the broader picture, and the actions being performed by these individual icons.  What you are essentially doing is throwing away the entire relief in exchange for what someone else has written about in a book.  You refuse to look at or comment on what you call "the direction the ka's are facing."  This is missing the entire point, there is much more going on than a direction, their actions are obviously very different.

You yourself have said multiple times that you must think like the artist/authors in order to understand.  You would have the world think they carved two very large images over the walls in Dendera, with only 2 minor changes between them... for what?  Do you think they were practicing for the walls of the Temple?  In actuality, it is you, and the entire gang of forum trolling hoodlums that seems to make up the majority of posts in this thread that have  "either ignored or misrepresented" the "merits of my own posts."

At this point, you and several others have taken to accusing me of being juvenile.  If you take a step back and look at the situation, that accusation in itself is a very juvenile thing to do.  Do you feel as if you are "stooping to the level" of someone who has ignored you?

That's exactly how I feel.

I have not brought fiction into the argument, I referenced several movies, as more of a joke than an argument.  I think it's pretty obvious that it was a joke.  I only did so after being accused of presenting "fictitious arguments" which are not only fictitious, but actually supported by the mythological references and inscription translations which you yourself brought to the argument.  Even after pointing out that these things support my argument in several ways, not the least of which being a very blatant description of prayer included in the inscription, I still cannot get an answer regarding what is the single most paramount change between three huge reliefs carved in the Dendera crypt.   You've "given up" because my mind can't be changed, without addressing the main point of my argument about Dendera... Do you not see that as strange?

I'll again post the diagram I created.  Calling these differences nothing more than "direction of the ka's" shows a lack of respect for the artists and traditions of the Egyptians.  This was not an arbitrary change, or a mistake.. it was clearly done on purpose.  Look at the three reliefs side by side... I have never once claimed that the "bulbs", as you call them, are a mind control device.  What I am claiming is that they are representative of a phenomenon which the ancient Egyptians did not understand, and attributed to the ba of Horus, which is also supported by the inscriptions. The ba is not the important thing, though you might be clever to note that it actually represents the mind of the god.  What is important is the phenomenon they described, and it is clearly represented by the "direction of the ka's."

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You also acknowledge the Egyptian belief of divine possession by Pharoah's, yet refuse to acknowledge that a simple scientific explanation of such a thing is mind control.  This is not an argument, it is a truth, and it serves to further my argument.  Several here have mistaken Harsomptus for Horus because of this incorrect understanding.  I will ask once again, if two gods have a human child, and that child's mind is essentially the mind of the father (as the Egyptians believed in the case of Horus and Harsomptus) is not mind control a valid explanation for how this could happen?

As far as you not having time to read through my blog, that's fine.. I understand.  I equally do not have time to rewrite the same argument I have presented in lengthy detail with links over, and over again.  As the conversation has shifted from a "scientific one" to a more historical one, I'd prefer not to go back and discuss the details of the physics involved, needless to say, there are certainly peer reviewed scientific papers on my blog, in links which have previously been provided.

I will leave you all with this.  When there is an argument taking place, and one person shows evidence in the form of a picture with large red circles on it.. and the other side fails to comment on them at all, then walks away... I'd say you lost.

Again these are large pictures, hidden in the depths of a very important religious temple, covering the entirety of the walls of a room.  The reliefs are the important part, ignoring them is nonsensical.

Out of curiosity, do any of your references translate the very short inscriptions directly above the serpent/ba?

I havent mentioned it before, but the placement of the ba in the reliefs seems to be paramount also.  In all pictures, the ba is being carried by the arms of the djed pillar and Heh.. This could be a reference to the perceived location of the ba of Horus -- both in the sky (Heh) and on the ground (somehow assisted by the djed pillars... perhaps there was an older one that was mechanical.)

The most significant however, is its position in relationship to the kneeling/sitting ka's... right at the top of their heads, no matter where they are in the picture (the ba is rising).  This is, of course, where the Egyptians believed the ba to be located, in the heads of people.


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Posted 03 April 2013 - 03:57 PM

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You just cannot read between the lines.  Mind control technology in ancient Egypt, using quantum physics.  If you don't think that an 'alien force' is the only possible way for that to be happening... I'd love to hear your alternate suggestion.  This is the title of the thread, in the very first post.

Since there is no evidence that aliens visited our world in the past or that mind control happened then, there can be no alternate suggestion to something that exists only within your mind.  The title of the thread does indeed reference aliens but there is nothing in your first post about that at all.

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Your refutation of Quantum Leap being related to mind control was ignored because it made no sense.  Everyone in this thread has repeatedly ignored all of my arguments... I imagine they make no sense to you.  Sorry, too bad.

If my refutation of Quantum Leap being an example of mind control makes no sense to you then either you have never seen Quantum Leap or you don't remember it well.  Re-watch episodes of it and see that Sam Becket is not mind controlling anyone.  His mind and theirs swapped places.  Though he is in control of another body, that is not mind control, despite your desire for it to be so.

What you have provided thus far, has not supported your claims.  What you have not supplied is evidence that does.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 04:26 PM

View Postprometheuslocke, on 03 April 2013 - 01:09 AM, said:

You can't even read and comprehend the line you quoted?

Must be that mind control you're talking about!

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Since that appears to be the case, it's no surprise you didn't notice the tens of links from the blog to research papers, and articles about them.  I don't understand why you want to argue about something you haven't read?

You haven't read them. You claimed "There's proof that this technology is perfected, and it's all around you." however the links you posted show that this technology is far from perfected. Let me tell you their contents again:

http://www.usnews.co...hive_033992.htm

This is a non-scientific (what do you expect from US News?) and highly speculative article about brain functions. "Norseen predicts profiling by brain print will be in place by 2005." Nope! We're not even close to doing anything predicted in the article like flying planes with a helmet that reads our thoughts. Fun article though.

http://www.maebrusse...t airports.html

Let's just summarize this highly speculative 2002 article with its first sentence: "Airport security screeners may soon try to read the minds of travelers to identify terrorists." So how's that been working out ten years later? Have you been through airport security recently? Once again you mistake a speculative article as one that contains facts.

http://www.washingto...7011001399.html

This is an article about a schizophrenic who, like some schizophrenics, believe his condition is caused by secret organizations with unfathomable technology. As usual he has no proof but it made for an entertaining yet entirely unscientific article.

http://istina.rin.ru...l?sait=1&id=360

This is an anonymously written article on a web site that also promotes the belief of regular alien visitation and other unsupported theories as fact. The article contains science fiction as fact, like energy beams that will cause any human to fall asleep. These weapons were allegedly developed by unnamed Soviet scientists in the mid-70's but for some strange reason they have gone missing. There are many many facts in the article that are provably incorrrect. There was never a "Government Committee on the Matters of Inventions and Discoveries" in the Soviet Union. Everything suggests that the article is a total fabrication.

http://www.nature.co...ll/nn.3265.html

If any article proves how little we know about the brain, this one from Nature is it. It's about experiments in which primates are trained to control devices with their brains. They only reported moderate success. Totally unrelated to mind control in any form and shows that any possible form of mind control is decades if not centuries away.

The other links you posted were nothing more than rabid diatribes from your own web site. They do not reference scientific papers and have no scientific content.


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Posted 03 April 2013 - 05:51 PM

Quite frankly, I dont see which part here would be the definite proof that you have, but I must say that putting all the pieces together does create a possibility. I think the most fundamental part is that brain functions can be altered from distance, which the quantum physics we talked about (or Harte educated me about :D ) prove in their way, prove by showing that observation can alter the particle's behavior if it's in a certain quantum state already. While a very incomplete theory in itself if you try to make mind control possible by just that, combining it with the fact that "they" (obscure substantive for the government or whoever might do it) would probably hide the sweetest part of the technology that makes the previous quantum theory usable for practical mind-control. Hide it so that no one would be able to prove it and those who only think inside their box (the four or three first signs or houses in zodiac, also known as pragmatists thinkers) would consider the option ludicrous.

Mind-control might be a misleading term depending on how you associate it, because I doubt anyone in this thread fully knows the extent where what we call a human's free will, extends. A more appropriate term might be mind-direction that makes certain behavior patterns more compelling... a fine example of this would be when you walk past the candy line in a shop and the urge to buy candy strikes because it's both part of your habitual behavior and because you're physically addicted to sugar. Taking a certain behavior pattern like resisting the urge and just walking to the register with the meat, veggies and milk might be then harder, and you'd need to exert mental power, will-force whatever you call it, to direct yourself towards that behavior pattern instead of taking the other behavior pattern. This is not how it goes exactly in my opinion in those situations, but you can take the idea from there.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 06:08 PM

View Postscowl, on 03 April 2013 - 04:26 PM, said:

Must be that mind control you're talking about!



You haven't read them. You claimed "There's proof that this technology is perfected, and it's all around you." however the links you posted show that this technology is far from perfected. Let me tell you their contents again:

http://www.usnews.co...hive_033992.htm

This is a non-scientific (what do you expect from US News?) and highly speculative article about brain functions. "Norseen predicts profiling by brain print will be in place by 2005." Nope! We're not even close to doing anything predicted in the article like flying planes with a helmet that reads our thoughts. Fun article though.

http://www.maebrusse...t airports.html

Let's just summarize this highly speculative 2002 article with its first sentence: "Airport security screeners may soon try to read the minds of travelers to identify terrorists." So how's that been working out ten years later? Have you been through airport security recently? Once again you mistake a speculative article as one that contains facts.

http://www.washingto...7011001399.html

This is an article about a schizophrenic who, like some schizophrenics, believe his condition is caused by secret organizations with unfathomable technology. As usual he has no proof but it made for an entertaining yet entirely unscientific article.

http://istina.rin.ru...l?sait=1&id=360

This is an anonymously written article on a web site that also promotes the belief of regular alien visitation and other unsupported theories as fact. The article contains science fiction as fact, like energy beams that will cause any human to fall asleep. These weapons were allegedly developed by unnamed Soviet scientists in the mid-70's but for some strange reason they have gone missing. There are many many facts in the article that are provably incorrrect. There was never a "Government Committee on the Matters of Inventions and Discoveries" in the Soviet Union. Everything suggests that the article is a total fabrication.

http://www.nature.co...ll/nn.3265.html

If any article proves how little we know about the brain, this one from Nature is it. It's about experiments in which primates are trained to control devices with their brains. They only reported moderate success. Totally unrelated to mind control in any form and shows that any possible form of mind control is decades if not centuries away.

The other links you posted were nothing more than rabid diatribes from your own web site. They do not reference scientific papers and have no scientific content.

What you will notice from the links you pose, however, is there are two overriding themes.  First, government employees and contractors spoke of this technology over a decade ago, and if you look into Norseen specifically, relayed to the media and the world that it was much closer to perfection at that time than current public research into the field, a la Nature.  This is a glaring example of a well known phenomenon: government research is light years ahead of the public sector.  

Taken a step further, clearly their research would be classified, what you have are leaks regarding technology that is most likely perfected at this point, just as Norseen, who by the way was a senior scientist at Lockheed Martin, predicted in 1999.

The second theme is that there is significant first hand testimony regarding the effects of this technology in public literature.  While some in this group may believe that first hand testimony is proof of nothing, they're blind as bats.  The testimony of victims from MK-Ultra, Monarch, and later programs prove not only that this technology exists, but also that one of the main focuses of its use is to hide its existence through the use of psychiatric illness as a cover. In the 70's there were congressional hearings that resulted in a congressional order to the CIA to shut down a research program.  Today these same claims are designed specifically to include paranoia, symptoms of schizophrenia, and the link in order to discredit the testimony of victims -- a tactic that was made public during the Church Committee in the 70's...

Upon close examination, despite what appears on the face to be classic symptoms of illness, these claims are much more detailed, complex, and no self respecting mental health professional would class them as such.


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Posted 03 April 2013 - 06:08 PM

View PostMikko-kun, on 03 April 2013 - 05:51 PM, said:

Mind-control might be a misleading term depending on how you associate it, because I doubt anyone in this thread fully knows the extent where what we call a human's free will, extends. A more appropriate term might be mind-direction that makes certain behavior patterns more compelling... a fine example of this would be when you walk past the candy line in a shop and the urge to buy candy strikes because it's both part of your habitual behavior and because you're physically addicted to sugar.

This is definitely not the mind control that prometheuslocke is referring to. He's talking about powerful electronic devices in use by a secret organization (I've lost track if they're the government or aliens) that completely control a person's thought process.


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Posted 03 April 2013 - 06:31 PM

View Postprometheuslocke, on 03 April 2013 - 06:08 PM, said:

What you will notice from the links you pose, however, is there are two overriding themes.  First, government employees and contractors spoke of this technology over a decade ago, and if you look into Norseen specifically, relayed to the media and the world that it was much closer to perfection at that time than current public research into the field, a la Nature.  This is a glaring example of a well known phenomenon: government research is light years ahead of the public sector.  

They did not speak of any technology. They speculated about vague visions of technology of the future with no scientific basis. You can do that with the mainstream press. Contractors talk about sending men to Mars. Does that mean right now we have spaceships that could send men to Mars? Of course not. That's what contractors do. They speculate about what they might do, and that's how they get contracts even if they don't succeed.

Funny that you previously declared the Nature article (the only peer-reviewed article you cited) as evidence of mind control, but now that I've explained its contents to you, you're backing away from it saying that the unknown government stuff that no one writes about is way better than that. I assume this will be the last we hear about peer-reviewed articles from you.

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Taken a step further, clearly their research would be classified, what you have are leaks regarding technology that is most likely perfected at this point, just as Norseen, who by the way was a senior scientist at Lockheed Martin, predicted in 1999.

"Taken a step further" is actually "Taken a gigantic leap into fantasy" because you have absolutely no evidence that any of their guesses were attempted, much less implemented and even much less "perfected". "But it would be classified" doesn't make it true.

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The second theme is that there is significant first hand testimony regarding the effects of this technology in public literature.  While some in this group may believe that first hand testimony is proof of nothing, they're blind as bats.  

Because they disagree with their testimony. That means they're blind as bats. Because they disagree with you.

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The testimony of victims from MK-Ultra, Monarch, and later programs prove not only that this technology exists, but also that one of the main focuses of its use is to hide its existence through the use of psychiatric illness as a cover.

Testimony proves nothing!

Anyone can lie!

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In the 70's there were congressional hearings that resulted in a congressional order to the CIA to shut down a research program.

Yes the failed research program which failed to produce any useful results.

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Today these same claims are designed specifically to include paranoia, symptoms of schizophrenia, and the link in order to discredit the testimony of victims -- a tactic that was made public during the Church Committee in the 70's...

Upon close examination, despite what appears on the face to be classic symptoms of illness, these claims are much more detailed, complex, and no self respecting mental health professional would class them as such.

Schizophrenics have incredibly detailed and complex delusions that mental health professionals are perfectly able to classify as symptoms of their disease.


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Posted 04 April 2013 - 12:00 AM

View Postprometheuslocke, on 03 April 2013 - 03:10 PM, said:

I havent mentioned it before, but the placement of the ba in the reliefs seems to be paramount also.  In all pictures, the ba is being carried by the arms of the djed pillar and Heh.. This could be a reference to the perceived location of the ba of Horus -- both in the sky (Heh) and on the ground (somehow assisted by the djed pillars... perhaps there was an older one that was mechanical.)

The most significant however, is its position in relationship to the kneeling/sitting ka's... right at the top of their heads, no matter where they are in the picture (the ba is rising).  This is, of course, where the Egyptians believed the ba to be located, in the heads of people.
You said you know something of ancient Egypt, so you should know that almost every single relief carving like this is carved following a specified ritualistic manner. They did not just carve what they saw, they carved everything where they did for a ritual reason. So just because you see the ba being carried by the pillar does not mean there was an actual pillar and an actual physical ba, or even that the ba needed to be held up. It is all ritualistic and symbolic.

You're trying to take symbolic carvings and apply physcial reasons for their appearance. It like claiming that electrons swing in little circles around the atomic nucleus because that is what the high school chemistry book shows, when those rings for the electrons are only symbolic of a field charge and the electron can be anywhere in the "fuzzy" shell at any time.

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 03:51 AM

View Postscowl, on 03 April 2013 - 06:31 PM, said:

They did not speak of any technology. They speculated about vague visions of technology of the future with no scientific basis. You can do that with the mainstream press. Contractors talk about sending men to Mars. Does that mean right now we have spaceships that could send men to Mars? Of course not. That's what contractors do. They speculate about what they might do, and that's how they get contracts even if they don't succeed.


You are wrong, a minimal amount of research would show that.

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Funny that you previously declared the Nature article (the only peer-reviewed article you cited) as evidence of mind control, but now that I've explained its contents to you, you're backing away from it saying that the unknown government stuff that no one writes about is way better than that. I assume this will be the last we hear about peer-reviewed articles from you.

"Taken a step further" is actually "Taken a gigantic leap into fantasy" because you have absolutely no evidence that any of their guesses were attempted, much less implemented and even much less "perfected". "But it would be classified" doesn't make it true.


You are wrong, there are three peer reviewed papers linked to in this thread.  On top of that two well known experiments which have been reproduced many times.

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Testimony proves nothing!

Anyone can lie!


You are wrong, first hand testimony is very important.  You dismiss it because you don't agree with it.  That's stupid.

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Yes the failed research program which failed to produce any useful results.


You are wrong, a minimal amount of research would show that.

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Schizophrenics have incredibly detailed and complex delusions that mental health professionals are perfectly able to classify as symptoms of their disease.

Show me, making up facts to further your argument is a silly thing to do.  You have no knowledge to back up your claims.

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 06:32 PM

You know, I am always slighted amazed (or is appalled?) at the odd mix of absolute literalism and advanced abstract symbolism necessary to forward /any/ nutzy conspiracy theory. It's the same sort of weird mix of "this is incredibly super-secret knowledge known only to a few, but immediately available to any schmo with an internet connection".

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 06:54 PM

Jayle, is that the thing that's really rubbing you the wrong way, or is it that you dont find a good base to have a conversation where you can feel that it's not just about winning and losing but actually discussing the subject itself, which would include both sides being well-prepared to recognice their mistakes in the field they are? Like being sincere and having some integrity and consideration. That's what ticks me off more.

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View PostDieChecker, on 04 April 2013 - 12:00 AM, said:

You said you know something of ancient Egypt, so you should know that almost every single relief carving like this is carved following a specified ritualistic manner. They did not just carve what they saw, they carved everything where they did for a ritual reason. So just because you see the ba being carried by the pillar does not mean there was an actual pillar and an actual physical ba, or even that the ba needed to be held up. It is all ritualistic and symbolic.

You're trying to take symbolic carvings and apply physcial reasons for their appearance. It like claiming that electrons swing in little circles around the atomic nucleus because that is what the high school chemistry book shows, when those rings for the electrons are only symbolic of a field charge and the electron can be anywhere in the "fuzzy" shell at any time.

So you actually mean to tell me that the placement of the arms of the djed pillar in relation to the ba, as well as the arms of Heh are .... inconsequential or arbitrary?  It seems as if you would prefer if there were no carving, and you only had to interpret inscriptions.. this is not the case.


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Posted 06 April 2013 - 07:36 PM

It's times like these when I can just sit, read and smile to myself. Especially when I am on the Internet reading a thread on this beloved place we call Unexplained Mysteries.

Whenever I see an expressed view of an individual jiggle the dynamics of a group as a whole when the thread itself discusses mind-control, I have a small sensation of awe overwhelm me.
Surely, I am not the only one seeing this pattern here. True there are lots of pages to sift through and it is over a span of months; however, it's quite delightful to see something so fluid in motion that of which is being openly referred too, yet hardly any of the participants are aware.

(I speak in general terms here. What I have seen from my own reading is the lack of this certain awareness related to this current topic and to the current flow of the conversation and what it regards. I am not flaming anyone or singling anyone out. I am simply stating my own personal views.)

We all have an ability to 'control the mind' what we often fail at is the ability to change a particular mind regardless of undeniable logic that has been put forth.

We all have a 'frequency' and that 'frequency' is aligned to our planet's 'frequency' and if anything is able to distort or interrupt that 'frequency' then every single one of us can be affected.
Perhaps it has nothing to do with mind control at all. Maybe someone can just easy adjust our channels. Or censor our signals. Or just tune us out at the most inconvenient of times.


Just a ponderment!

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 05:08 AM

View PostMikko-kun, on 06 April 2013 - 06:54 PM, said:

Jayle, is that the thing that's really rubbing you the wrong way, or is it that you dont find a good base to have a conversation where you can feel that it's not just about winning and losing but actually discussing the subject itself, which would include both sides being well-prepared to recognice their mistakes in the field they are? Like being sincere and having some integrity and consideration. That's what ticks me off more.

In case you missed it, this thread now contains almost thirty pages of discussion—and much of it having been in sufficient detail. What you're witnessing now is the general apathy and enui of all of us who've tried hard to show reason in this discussion, and prometheuslocke's determined desperation to keep this thread alive beyond necessity.

Frankly this discussion reached its expiration date some time ago and has grown sour.

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 07:01 AM

I vote apathy and ennui

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