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What Is TRUTH?


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#1    soulpowertothenthdegree

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 02:25 PM

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Truth is what we want it to be.  There is absolute truth, based in fact.  There is perceived truth based on faith.  The truth based on fact is still what we perceive.  The truth based on faith is not what others believe.  If I tell you the truth, is it really the truth and the whole truth?  If I swear on a Bible, does this make it the truth?  If I read it in a book, does it make it the truth?  If I see it in a movie, does it make it the truth?  We believe and we perceive what we want to believe and perceive.

I can tell you what the truth is from my perspective and it is your choice to believe it or not.  If I shoot a video of something and post it anywhere, there will be those that say, "oh that's photo shopped" or "hey that's a planet", etc.  If I write a first hand account of an experience as the truth, there will be those that say, "that was in your head" or "you were drunk", etc.

The truth is...it really doesn't matter what others believe or perceive, it is the "FREE WILL" of all to decide what they want to recognize as truth.  It doesn't change the "TRUTH", because in reality there can only be one truth, the rest is all subjective conjecture based on perception and belief.

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Edited by soulpowertothenthdegree, 08 January 2013 - 02:54 PM.

GIVE ME THE ABILITY TO UNDERSTAND THE THINGS I HAVE NO CONTROL OVER, (PEOPLE, PLACES & THINGS);
GIVE ME THE ABILITY TO UNDERSTAND THE THINGS I DO HAVE CONTROL OVER, (ME, MYSELF & I);
GIVE ME THE ABILITY TO UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO!!


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Posted 08 January 2013 - 02:38 PM

View Postsoulpowertothenthdegree, on 08 January 2013 - 02:25 PM, said:


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Very true.


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Posted 08 January 2013 - 02:39 PM

Truth is what we want it to be.  There is absolute truth, based in fact.  There is perceived truth based on faith.  The truth based on fact is still what we perceive.  The truth based on faith is not what others believe.  If I tell you the truth, is it really the truth and the whole truth?  If I swear on a Bible, does this make it the truth?  If I read it in a book, does it make it the truth?  If I see it in a movie, does it make it the truth?  We believe and we perceive what we want to believe and perceive.

I can tell you what the truth is from my perspective and it is your choice to believe it or not.  If I shoot a video of something and post it anywhere, there will be those that say, "oh that's photo shopped" or "hey that's a planet", etc.  If I write a first hand account of an experience as the truth, there will be those that say, "that was in your head" or "you were drunk", etc.

The truth is...it really doesn't matter what others believe or perceive, it is the "FREE WILL" of all to decide what they want to recognize as truth.  It doesn't change the "TRUTH", because in reality there can only be one truth, the rest is all subjective conjecture based on perception and belief.

SOUL

Edited by soulpowertothenthdegree, 08 January 2013 - 02:40 PM.

GIVE ME THE ABILITY TO UNDERSTAND THE THINGS I HAVE NO CONTROL OVER, (PEOPLE, PLACES & THINGS);
GIVE ME THE ABILITY TO UNDERSTAND THE THINGS I DO HAVE CONTROL OVER, (ME, MYSELF & I);
GIVE ME THE ABILITY TO UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO!!


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Posted 08 January 2013 - 04:48 PM

There is no truth, everything just is. Only in our own human perception have we chosen to label things as 'True' and 'False' when in reality, life and the universe is indifferent to the 'Truth' and does not care or even acknowledge such a philosophical idea.

Edited by Sean93, 08 January 2013 - 04:49 PM.

"Regarding life, the wisest men of all ages have judged it alike: It is worthless."

"Be peaceful, be courteous, respect everyone; but if someone puts his hand on you, send him to the cemetery."

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 04:58 PM

View PostSean93, on 08 January 2013 - 04:48 PM, said:

There is no truth, everything just is. Only in our own human perception have we chosen to label things as 'True' and 'False' when in reality, life and the universe is indifferent to the 'Truth' and does not care or even acknowledge such a philosophical idea.

Then what are you doing here replying?

GIVE ME THE ABILITY TO UNDERSTAND THE THINGS I HAVE NO CONTROL OVER, (PEOPLE, PLACES & THINGS);
GIVE ME THE ABILITY TO UNDERSTAND THE THINGS I DO HAVE CONTROL OVER, (ME, MYSELF & I);
GIVE ME THE ABILITY TO UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO!!


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Posted 08 January 2013 - 05:18 PM

View Postsoulpowertothenthdegree, on 08 January 2013 - 04:58 PM, said:

Then what are you doing here replying?

Contributing to the discussion...?

"Regarding life, the wisest men of all ages have judged it alike: It is worthless."

"Be peaceful, be courteous, respect everyone; but if someone puts his hand on you, send him to the cemetery."

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 05:39 PM

View Postsoulpowertothenthdegree, on 08 January 2013 - 02:39 PM, said:

Truth is what we want it to be.  There is absolute truth, based in fact.  There is perceived truth based on faith.  The truth based on fact is still what we perceive.  The truth based on faith is not what others believe.  If I tell you the truth, is it really the truth and the whole truth?  If I swear on a Bible, does this make it the truth?  If I read it in a book, does it make it the truth?  If I see it in a movie, does it make it the truth?  We believe and we perceive what we want to believe and perceive.


I disagree.  I seriously doubt that people who have cancer want that truth to be.  I'm not even sure how far to go with 'we believe what we want to believe', that certainly is the case for some people on some subjects, but it's questionable how much 'belief' is a voluntary choice.  I've perceived lots of things that I didn't want to.

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I can tell you what the truth is from my perspective and it is your choice to believe it or not.  If I shoot a video of something and post it anywhere, there will be those that say, "oh that's photo shopped" or "hey that's a planet", etc.  If I write a first hand account of an experience as the truth, there will be those that say, "that was in your head" or "you were drunk", etc.


Which is what some of 'those' should be saying.  Some people photoshop things to mislead, and there is abundant evidence of people being just simply mistaken.  Don't you also conclude that, 'that was in your head' or 'you're mistaken as to what your experience actually was' to some people who write first-hand accounts of an experience as the truth?  I know that I don't just accept extraordinary claims just on people's say-so, there's tons of science showing how easily the brain can be deceived and how easily it is to come to erroneous conclusions, leaving aside that people also mislead intentionally.

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The truth is...it really doesn't matter what others believe or perceive, it is the "FREE WILL" of all to decide what they want to recognize as truth.


If people just keep their beliefs and perceptions internal, then yes, perhaps sometimes it doesn't really matter.  Unfortunately people's overconfidence in the validity in their beliefs and perceptions usually leads to actions, and those actions most definitely do matter.

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It doesn't change the "TRUTH", because in reality there can only be one truth, the rest is all subjective conjecture based on perception and belief.

Including everything you've written here, including "It doesn't change the 'TRUTH', because in reality there can only be one truth"; that statement is also 'subjective conjecture based on perception and belief.'

"You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into"
"That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence" - C. Hitchens
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool" - Richard Feynman

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 02:02 PM

Good topic!

Truth can be very elusive, especially when the public perception is manipulated so much.

Religious truth is really just dogma and faith, nothing more.  Superstition rather than any validated truth.


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Posted 09 January 2013 - 02:06 PM

Truth is observation.

Edit: To explain without being misinterpreted: If you're not currently observing it, if it's not currently happening, there's always a 1% chance it didn't happen.

Edited by Hasina, 09 January 2013 - 02:10 PM.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 02:41 PM

Truth is fact not fiction


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Posted 09 January 2013 - 03:27 PM

View Postwolfknight, on 09 January 2013 - 02:41 PM, said:

Truth is fact not fiction

What is fact?  Do you believe everything put forth as fact is truth?  I don't.  The fact is, things can be written and manipulated as "fact", when in fact they are lies presented as truth.

GIVE ME THE ABILITY TO UNDERSTAND THE THINGS I HAVE NO CONTROL OVER, (PEOPLE, PLACES & THINGS);
GIVE ME THE ABILITY TO UNDERSTAND THE THINGS I DO HAVE CONTROL OVER, (ME, MYSELF & I);
GIVE ME THE ABILITY TO UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO!!


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Posted 09 January 2013 - 08:06 PM

View Postsoulpowertothenthdegree, on 09 January 2013 - 03:27 PM, said:

What is fact?  Do you believe everything put forth as fact is truth?  I don't.  The fact is, things can be written and manipulated as "fact", when in fact they are lies presented as truth.

I think that was his point.

What you post reminds me in a way of Wikipedia.  History is edited over time to comply with certain interpretations.  Facts are eliminated, fudged, and otherwise manipulated to suit a particular agenda, it seems.


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Posted 11 January 2013 - 09:18 AM

In my opinion, truth is null.. There is no objective truth. Truth is a construct; there can be no comprehensible truth for humanity.

I used to believe that truth was the actualization of events, but even then, on a molecular level, I realized every thing was occurring beyond the perception of humanity. I realized on quantum levels there are processes that occur. I realized that with the Universe and its expansiveness, there is a large realm of possibility for any thing. So, "truth" could be possibility... Or the actuality of possibility.

But that contradicts the Western idealism that concerns truth as such a romantic thing..

Then again, Postmodernism kind of wrecked the Renaissance definition of truth.

Things happen; matter reacts to more matter, and more things happen.

With the influx of human emotions, motivations, beliefs - there can be no more truth.

Edited by Eonwe, 11 January 2013 - 09:27 AM.

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 01:52 PM

1984 Webster: 1) Conformity to fact or actuality. 2) Fidelity to an original or standard. 3) Reality; actuality 4) A statement proven to be or accepted as true.


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Posted 11 January 2013 - 02:10 PM

Did Einstein say "Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one'', or is it an urban myth?

Certainly other philosophers have said more or less the same thing-

"We are such stuff as dreams are made on" - Shakespeare, The Tempest
"Strawberry Fields...nothing is real" - The Beatles
"Have you ever had a dream, Neo, that you were so sure was real? What if you were unable to wake from that dream? How would you know the difference between the dream world and the real world?"- Morpheus, The Matrix.
"You can be in my dream if i can be in your dream" -Bob Dylan

And if this was a spirituality thread i'd even speculate that Jesus was a Master of the Art of Dream Manipulation, able to bend our "dream-reality" to produce what appeared to be "miracles"
He said :-"You hardly believe me when I tell you earthly things,so how would you believe me if I told you heavenly things?" (John 3:12)







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