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Occum's Razor = some Crop Circles are 'real'


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#346    laver

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 03:49 PM

View PostOppono Astos, on 04 May 2013 - 01:26 PM, said:

Did you observe or investigate the formation in the field?  If not you are merely making the assumptions of a believer.

Not a believer.. a double skeptic, who finds the idea of crop designs being made by a foreign (to Earth) agency hard to accept but looking at all aspects of this phenomena cannot accept either that humans are making all these designs for many reasons. People who believe  these designs are all manmade are the believers in this because they did not see them all created.


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Posted 12 May 2013 - 04:59 AM

The criteria for real or fake (according to this site.,  http://www.aquiziam....-2011-2012.html )

crop circle experts have recognised and accepted that at least a proportion of formations are being made by humans and have identified a number of criteria to distinguish between the real (unexplained) and the fake (manmade).

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    The formations will appear within hours, sometimes even minutes.
    There is a lack of tracks leading to the crop circle
    The true circles are very slightly elliptical
    The stalks of the crops are bent not broken -  as if they'd been heated by microwave radiation until flexible.  In younger plants  the stems nodes are often swollen - as if steam has expanded and caused the cellulose to elongate and balloon outwards.  In older plants where the stem material is more rigid and brittle the internal pressure causes the nodes to explode creating a node hole.
    Some superficial charring may be noticed as if the plant stems had been exposed very briefly to an intense heat source. Soil is correspondingly dry  except in the centre of each circle where it may still be moist.
    There is a disruption of the plant's crystalline structure at a microscopic level.
    Background levels of electromagnetism are higher than normal.
    Circles investigated within six hours of formation often interfere with electronic equipment.
    Newly created circles are occasionally reported to have background harmonics that fade away over a 24 -48 hour period
    The crops are laid along the ground in neat patterns with precision alignment.  Sometimes these stems appear interwoven or even plaited.
    The plants are generally undamaged and will continue to grow even though they are now flattened.
    The design of the crop formation makes use of sophisticated geometry often incorporating five-sided shapes such as pentagons and pentagrams although these are rarely used as shapes themselves.
    The presence of short-lived radioactive isotopes.
    Higher than average localised infrared readings.

A researcher examining an occurrence will use the presence of these factors to confirm that a crop formation is an unexplained phenomena.  However, there is only one factor that is specifically used to suggest that a circle is manmade.

Fake

    Broken Stems

Other life in the universe?, you dare to imply there are entities possibly far greater than us almighty humans, creators of canned ham and reality tv. Nonsense. Absurd.

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 05:46 PM

View PostSheep Smart, on 12 May 2013 - 04:59 AM, said:

The criteria for real or fake (according to this site.,  http://www.aquiziam....-2011-2012.html )

crop circle experts have recognised and accepted that at least a proportion of formations are being made by humans and have identified a number of criteria to distinguish between the real (unexplained) and the fake (manmade).

Real

The formations will appear within hours, sometimes even minutes.
There is a lack of tracks leading to the crop circle
The true circles are very slightly elliptical
The stalks of the crops are bent not broken -  as if they'd been heated by microwave radiation until flexible.  In younger plants  the stems nodes are often swollen - as if steam has expanded and caused the cellulose to elongate and balloon outwards.  In older plants where the stem material is more rigid and brittle the internal pressure causes the nodes to explode creating a node hole.
Some superficial charring may be noticed as if the plant stems had been exposed very briefly to an intense heat source. Soil is correspondingly dry  except in the centre of each circle where it may still be moist.
There is a disruption of the plant's crystalline structure at a microscopic level.
Background levels of electromagnetism are higher than normal.
Circles investigated within six hours of formation often interfere with electronic equipment.
Newly created circles are occasionally reported to have background harmonics that fade away over a 24 -48 hour period
The crops are laid along the ground in neat patterns with precision alignment.  Sometimes these stems appear interwoven or even plaited.
The plants are generally undamaged and will continue to grow even though they are now flattened.
The design of the crop formation makes use of sophisticated geometry often incorporating five-sided shapes such as pentagons and pentagrams although these are rarely used as shapes themselves.
The presence of short-lived radioactive isotopes.
Higher than average localised infrared readings.

A researcher examining an occurrence will use the presence of these factors to confirm that a crop formation is an unexplained phenomena.  However, there is only one factor that is specifically used to suggest that a circle is manmade.

Fake

Broken Stems

Some very interesting observations. It may or may not be relevant but we are near the middle of May and so far there have been no crop designs recorded this year in the UK which is unusual. Are we in for a special season of this phenomena?


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Posted 14 May 2013 - 11:32 PM

View Postlaver, on 13 May 2013 - 05:46 PM, said:

Some very interesting observations. It may or may not be relevant but we are near the middle of May and so far there have been no crop designs recorded this year in the UK which is unusual. Are we in for a special season of this phenomena?

Please note that due to the weather in the UK spring is also very late this year. This could be a factor??





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