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[J. K.]

Stellar, on 14 January 2013 - 03:41 AM, said:

No that's not what I said. I said that perhaps the best answer is to reallocate spending so that the schools could have enough money to hire professionals.

In a way no, they aren't scarce, they're just poorly spent. Again, I'm talking about a reallocation. If you have a budget split into two areas A and B, A having 60% of the total budget and B needing more than its 40%, I think it would be worthwhile to really look into perhaps lowering A's percentage and raising B's. The spending overall wouldn't change.

Here are some random thoughts about the situation:

There are many schools in my area (Dallas/Fort Worth, Texas) that have lost teachers because of cuts of income from state.  Hiring new personnel for security is not an option.

There are ten different entrances to the building that I am in.  Additionally, students have to travel outside the building and across a parking lot to get to the athletic field.  One or two security personnel cannot cover an entire campus efficiently.

Some of our janitors don't speak English.  That could be a problem in an emergency situation if they were the armed personnel.

[BiffSplitkins]

Wouldn't the janitor's rather large key-rings get in the way if they ever have to draw their weapons?

[aztek]

J. K., on 14 January 2013 - 04:33 PM, said:

Here are some random thoughts about the situation:

There are many schools in my area (Dallas/Fort Worth, Texas) that have lost teachers because of cuts of income from state.  Hiring new personnel for security is not an option.

There are ten different entrances to the building that I am in.  Additionally, students have to travel outside the building and across a parking lot to get to the athletic field.  One or two security personnel cannot cover an entire campus efficiently.

Some of our janitors don't speak English.  That could be a problem in an emergency situation if they were the armed personnel.

same here, teachers get laid off, some schools close, even some firehouses close, all to patch up billion dollars state gap. but hey, what do we americans know, it is them who live in other countries, some thousands miles away, know beter than us here, of course. who are we to say how it really is, lol

[Stellar]

aztek, on 14 January 2013 - 04:23 PM, said:

yea,so what is your point? it doesn't make any difference.

your words.

if you truly believe that schools need more security, wouldn't it make sense to use all the money being spent on police drones and instead spend it on school security?

pertty clear what you meant, and my answer still stands,

NO, IT WOULD NOT MAKE SENSE.

may be it isn't my reading, but your wrighting??

If it was my "wrighting", Becky's Mom would be agreeing with you, not me.

[Beckys_Mom]

aztek, on 14 January 2013 - 04:23 PM, said:

may be it isn't my reading, but your wrighting??

No, it is your reading..  Here is his full quote again..

Stellar, on 14 January 2013 - 03:43 AM, said:

Hell, on the topic of reallocation of money, if you truly believe that schools need more security, wouldn't it make sense to use all the money being spent on police drones and instead spend it on school security?

He clearly is saying  and instead spend it on school security ..This is as clear as a bell.. When you read it correctly to sum up  - He is saying not to spend it on police drones and instead spend it on school security.. If you still fail to see that, then I am sorry but I am not going to explain it again..

Edited by Beckys_Mom, 14 January 2013 - 05:16 PM.

[rashore]

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Hell, on the topic of reallocation of money, if you truly believe that schools need more security, wouldn't it make sense to use all the money being spent on police drones and instead spend it on school security?

I took Stellars comment to mean take all money currently being used or is earmarked for police droids and reallocate it to hire security people for schools. It would make more sense to use the funds in the schools if ones belief is that schools need more security.
Though I think it is an interesting suggestion.. I'm not sure there's really enough police droid allotted funds to reallocate to make much of an impact on the funds that would be required to hire the additional security staff.

[AsteroidX]

Guns in schools scares many kids and will make it harder for them to concentrate on why there there...to learn. Sad we even have to have this conversation.

[aztek]

Stellar, on 14 January 2013 - 05:07 PM, said:

If it was my "wrighting", Becky's Mom would be agreeing with you, not me.

Beckys_Mom, on 14 January 2013 - 05:15 PM, said:

No, it is your reading..  Here is his full quote again..



He clearly is saying  and instead spend it on school security ..This is as clear as a bell.. When you read it correctly to sum up  - He is saying not to spend it on police drones and instead spend it on school security.. If you still fail to see that, then I am sorry but I am not going to explain it again..

ok, if that is the case, than it's my fault, you both are right.

i admit, i read it wrong.

[Yamato]

Stellar, on 14 January 2013 - 02:01 PM, said:

But I'm not looking for more money, I'm looking to just take money being already spent and spend it elsewhere.



And with the extra money, the school could find a professional security company they trust. Security would be they're number one job. Chances are they're better at it than the current option being considered.

Everyone can agree on spending cuts in a vacuum.  The devil and the details show up, and everyone's feigned sense of fiscal responsibility disappears as fast as it arrived.   You've got to cut spending in the school, even to train and arm the janitor.  That's going to cost something.   Go tell lower-middle class people they should buy BMWs because they're safer than Chevrolets, all they have to do is take money already being spent and spend it elsewhere.  Right.

[Stellar]

Yamato, on 14 January 2013 - 06:29 PM, said:

Everyone can agree on spending cuts in a vacuum.  The devil and the details show up, and everyone's feigned sense of fiscal responsibility disappears as fast as it arrived.   You've got to cut spending in the school, even to train and arm the janitor.  That's going to cost something.   Go tell lower-middle class people they should buy BMWs because they're safer than Chevrolets, all they have to do is take money already being spent and spend it elsewhere.  Right.

Well that's exactly the point of discussion: to determine where the money is needed most. Can, for instance, the military budget get cut back and those funds reallocated to security for schools? I believe that if we are to be honest about "protecting our children", this approach should not be ignored.

[AsteroidX]

no military spending cant be cut to fund school security. Thats the same as an invading army. Foreign or Domestic.

[Stellar]

AsteroidX, on 14 January 2013 - 06:54 PM, said:

no military spending cant be cut to fund school security. Thats the same as an invading army. Foreign or Domestic.

Why?

And just before someone accuses me of something, I was using the military budget simply as an example, as it is often times pointed out that the USs defense spending is abnormally large.

Edited by Stellar, 14 January 2013 - 06:57 PM.

[AsteroidX]

I dont disagree with your overall comment Stellar just that we need to be careful what lines were crossing. Why would these same anti gun yahoo's want guns placed into there childs school. Emplyee disgruntlment shootings arent unheard of either.

[Stellar]

AsteroidX, on 14 January 2013 - 06:59 PM, said:

I dont disagree with your overall comment Stellar just that we need to be careful what lines were crossing. Why would these same anti gun yahoo's want guns placed into there childs school. Emplyee disgruntlment shootings arent unheard of either.

Oh I completely agree, but if people have decided that that is something they want in schools, they should look at all the options to make it work best.

[Yamato]

Stellar, on 14 January 2013 - 06:52 PM, said:

Well that's exactly the point of discussion: to determine where the money is needed most. Can, for instance, the military budget get cut back and those funds reallocated to security for schools? I believe that if we are to be honest about "protecting our children", this approach should not be ignored.

I do NOT accept militarizing our schools, sir.  Let people handle it.  Let people decide.