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[Tutankhaten-pasheri]

Yesterday it was announced by Roscosmos that Russia will launch manned mission to Moon by 2020 and other projects for investigating the cosmos. The first link is to Google translation page in English. Second link to original page for those you wish to read what report really says
http://translate.goo...d=1003900&cid=5

http://www.vesti.ru/...d=1003900&cid=5

[Rafterman]

Somebody better tell these guys that's impossible - Van Alen Belts and all - before they waste billions of dollars and kill a bunch of Cosmonauts.

[Tutankhaten-pasheri]

Yet Aldrin and Collins still live....

[Hazzard]

I dont really care who (what country) goes back to the moon, as long as its done in my lifetime.

[Asadora]

Hazzard, on 13 January 2013 - 05:09 PM, said:

I dont really care who (what country) goes back to the moon, as long as its done in my lifetime.

Yup, I agree with you on this. And of course as long as we get actual colour photos this time!

[Waspie_Dwarf]

Rafterman, on 13 January 2013 - 03:42 PM, said:

Somebody better tell these guys that's impossible - Van Alen Belts and all - before they waste billions of dollars and kill a bunch of Cosmonauts.

One day we are going to have a thread on about Lunar exploration that doesn't have a mention of the Apollo hoax theory. Sadly today is not that day.

Asadora, on 13 January 2013 - 10:25 PM, said:

And of course as long as we get actual colour photos this time!

What's wrong with the thousands of actual colour photos taken by the Apollo astronauts?

[DONTEATUS]

Totally true on that account Waspie ! Those will be great times in our space faring days ! TO actually send back beautiful images of the LM`s and all the Landing sites we went to ,and even maybe some of the hardware we sent !
THis will be great indeed ! THe CT`s can start a hole New series in the Infinite theorys.

[Waspie_Dwarf]

DONTEATUS, on 13 January 2013 - 10:51 PM, said:

TO actually send back beautiful images of the LM`s and all the Landing sites we went to ,and even maybe some of the hardware we sent !

I hope that future missions will stay a reasonable distance away from the Apollo landing sites. The first footprints any species from this planet ever made on another world are there. I would hate to see them destroyed by the next generation of lunar astronauts.

Edited by Waspie_Dwarf, 13 January 2013 - 11:00 PM.

[Mike D boy]

At this time, only the USA was the only nation to send manned missions on the Moon and it's still a honor, but it's great other nations have the capability to explore the universe. Space flight has became an international affair with Russia working with us in space exploration, the Chinese are also interested in future unmanned missions to the Moon and possibly have a manned landing someday. The European Space Agency are involved in their projects. Let's continue the push for traveling to the Moon!

Edited by Tsa-La-Gie Oyate, 14 January 2013 - 06:00 AM.

[Waspie_Dwarf]

The Russians have been proposing a return to the Moon for a few years now. For anyone interested in previous topics on this I will provide a list at the end of this post.

Russia has unfinished business on the Moon. The real Moon conspiracy was Russian and it was the fact that they attempted to hide the fact that they had ever been in a race with the USA. In fact they spent billions of Rubles on a manned lunar programme which ultimately ended in failure. As early as 1959 the Chief Designer, Sergei Korolev, proposed a huge new launcher, the N1, this was to be the Soviet equivalent of the Saturn V. However the N1 was never successfully launched, failing in 11 four attempted flights, the longest only lasting 107 seconds. The Soviet manned lunar programme was finally cancelled in 1974, nearly 2 years after the last American had left the moon.

The N1 did not have the hugely powerful engines that the Saturn V had. The Saturn first stage used 5 F-1 engines, the N1 first stage, on the other hand, required 30 engines. This meant that it had extraordinarily complex plumbing, which led to fuel leaks, fire and explosions.

Korolev may have been one the best designers of rockets in the world, but the best designer of rocket engines in the Soviet Union was Valentin Glushko... and the two men hated each other. Korolev wanted engines which ran on kerosene and liquid oxygen (LOX) as used in the USA on the Saturn rockets. Glushko argued that the US had access to better grade kerosene and that the poor grade the USSR had access to would cause problems. Instead Glushko wanted to use unsymmetrical dimethylhydrazine (UDMH) and nitrogen tetroxide (N₂O₄). These fuels ignite on contact (know as hypergolic fuels). Engines using hypergolic fuels are much simpler to build, but Korolev argued that the toxicity of these fuels and the exhaust gases posed a threat to manned missions (they were used very successfully on the Titan II launchers that took the US Gemini spacecraft into orbit). Korolev and Glushko fell out and Glushko refused to work on the N1. Korolev had to use a less experienced engine designer.

Korolev dies in January 1966. He was a strong leaded and proponent of the Soviet manned lunar programme. His early death and the internal politics of rocket design in the Soviet Union ensured that they could never win the race with the USA. The Soviets simply covered upo the failed moon programme and denied it had ever existed. This denial continued until the fall of the USSR.

The world is a different place now. It is my hope that the Russians make good progress in their desire to finally reach the moon. I also hope that it wakes the US politicians from their slumber and that they will direct NASA to return US astronauts to the moon. Now is the right time for the USA and Russia to once again be looking towards the moon and preparing to explore it, but this time as partners, not rivals.

Previous topics on the Russian manned moon programme

• Russia will develop Rocket for New-Spacecraft started May 13 2006
  
• Russia To Fly Men To The Moon in 2011 - 2012 started Sep 01 2006
  
• Russia to set up manned lunar base started Sep 02 2007
  
• Inside the Soviets Secret Failed Moon Program started Oct 17 2010
  
• Russia vows to build base on the Moon started Apr 08 2011
  
• Russia proposes manned Moon base started Jan 20 2012
  
• Russia to finally send man to the Moon started Mar 14 2012
  
• Russia Issues Tender for Moon Rocket Design started Aug 06 2012
  
• Russia Designs New Spaceship started Dec 26 2012

[Chrlzs]

Asadora, on 13 January 2013 - 10:25 PM, said:

Yup, I agree with you on this. And of course as long as we get actual colour photos this time!

Can you please explain that?  There are hundreds (nay thousands) of superb colour still images, eg these from Apollo 17 and 15 respectively:


..and many hours of colour film footage.  Colour TV wasn't really a possibility for Apollo 11, but it gradually crept in over the later missions as the technology (and bandwidth) became available.

Or is it that you aren't aware that the Moon has no plants, no blue sky, mostly grey rocks/dirt and that the astronauts (and much of their equipment) was white (or shiny metallic)..?  The images may look a bit monochromatic, sometimes..

[AlasBabylon]

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Both the USA and the USSR space programs were built upon the foundation of Third Reich technology.


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[AlasBabylon]

Waspie_Dwarf, on 14 January 2013 - 01:04 PM, said:

The world is a different place now. It is my hope that the Russians make good progress in their desire to finally reach the moon. I also hope that it wakes the US politicians from their slumber and that they will direct NASA to return US astronauts to the moon. Now is the right time for the USA and Russia to once again be looking towards the moon and preparing to explore it, but this time as partners, not rivals.

Years ago I asked my brother [NASA scientist] why the USA never returned to the moon...
and he said "politics" [but he didn't define it]... he went on to say that NASA was now
primarily interested in lower space.

What has decades of focusing on lower space accomplished ?

By now the planet should be enjoying clean and unlimited space-based solar energy.

I asked him about that too... why NASA canceled their fully researched, fully funded
space-based solar program just before 9-11... and he said initially such a program
would be quite expensive... but the $$ spent on the war in Iraq would be a start.

Yeah, I know, he is full of cryptic answers... that is... when he answers at all.


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[Tutankhaten-pasheri]

AlasBabylon, on 14 May 2013 - 09:14 AM, said:

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Both the USA and the USSR space programs were built upon the foundation of Third Reich technology.


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No. Tsiolkovsky was the first person to envisage a rocket with a capsule with life support. He is recognised as the father of spacefilght theory.
http://en.wikipedia....tin_Tsiolkovsky

More important, in the area of actualy building and putting a rocket into space, is Sergey Korolev. He designed his rockets without help from any nazis except for some assistance from one of Von Braun's gyroscope specialists. The other Germans captured had been involved in production, not design, and were not part of Von Braun's team. The rocket design, engine design were all Soviet. The R-7 is not a descendent of the V2, unlike the Saturn. It is Americans that had to use nazis to get into space, not Soviet Union.
Sergey Korolev is the recognised father of space flight. Von Braun, despite the success of the Apollo programme, is now a discredited ambarresment. Korolev will live on in history, as will Gagarin, Tereshkova, Leonov and all the others.
http://en.wikipedia....Sergey_Korolyov
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gagarin
http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Tereshkova
http://en.wikipedia....i/Alexey_Leonov

Edited by Tutankhaten-pasheri, 14 May 2013 - 04:03 PM.

[AlasBabylon]

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My post was actually a quote from an Apollo era NASA scientist...
who also told me, after the moon landing, he received phone calls
from Russian scientists who were amazed how freely he was able to
discuss his lab/research.

His lab was in the Lunar Receiving Lab Building [Houston] that also
housed the medical facilities, living quarters, etc for the Apollo
astronauts returning from the moon... as well as the lunar samples.
The whole complex had elaborate quarantine equipment and procedures.



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Edited by AlasBabylon, 14 May 2013 - 06:07 PM.