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[JimOberg]

The typical stuff that causes such images is explained here:
www.jamesoberg.com/ufo.html

I've also got the operating manuals for the TV cameras used for most of the shuttle videos, same link.

[SwampgasBalloonBoy]

ad hoc, on 14 January 2013 - 01:13 AM, said:

lol c'mon. you're watching digital zoom on distant objects on a re-compressed youtube user video of the original compressed nasa public release videos taken from cameras that may have had who knows what purpose other than zooming in on distant space junk...

you can't just look at this end result and say: nasa, you suck. You can't even tell what the original footage looked like.
I think it's highly unlikely their main cameras are logitech webcams, and that they're total idiots.

No I can't tell what the original footage looked like. But the all footage seemed pretty poor, that's all I can judge it by. So NASA kept all the good quality footage to themselves and release poor version to the public?

[lost_shaman]

ad hoc, on 13 January 2013 - 10:40 PM, said:

Well the way it works is that the ISS is travelling at thousands of Km/h itself, and many of the objects will have similar orbits. So they will appear to be moving slowly in relation to the ISS.
Just like being on a busy highway.

No, random space junk will not be seen. It's when space junk falls off your own vehicle in orbit that you can get video of it. That is when you get a similar orbit and relative motions come into play. That doesn't happen with random space junk. Your welcome for that bit of education.

[Ad hoc]

lost_shaman, on 14 January 2013 - 04:28 AM, said:

No, random space junk will not be seen. It's when space junk falls off your own vehicle in orbit that you can get video of it. That is when you get a similar orbit and relative motions come into play. That doesn't happen with random space junk. Your welcome for that bit of education.

Well, I can't find any info that indicates that there isn't any space junk orbiting near enough to the ISS to be seen, so if you can link that would be good.

Point being that most of the debris comes from activity in LEO, destruction of satellites etc sending stuff in every direction, much of which (unless I'm mistaken) ends up in higher orbits than the original orbit of the satellite. So you'd expect some of that debris to by chance end up somewhat relative to the ISS.

Now, considering that on a clear night I can see a satellite that is 300km away because it's gleaming so brightly in the sun, don't you think a largish chunk of space debris might be visible from a few tens of kilometers away- especially if it has an orbit somewhat relative to the ISS?

On another note, seems that deteriorating orbits send them towards earth quite regularly.

Edited by ad hoc, 14 January 2013 - 10:37 AM.

[chopmo]

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[Winterwind]

Hilander, on 13 January 2013 - 09:53 PM, said:

There's so many satellites and space debris up there it could be anything including a UFO.

Indeed. As we've seen in a few shows and movies ships will specifically hide in debris to escape detection.

[lost_shaman]

Robbo, on 13 January 2013 - 10:07 PM, said:

Broad statement, pretty sure the more massive pieces are visible.

You could see other actual satellites but not the "billions of bits of junk" you are talking about.

Edited by lost_shaman, 15 January 2013 - 03:22 AM.

[Robbo]

You would if they caught the sunlight for a brief period.

[lost_shaman]

Robbo, on 15 January 2013 - 06:38 AM, said:

You would if they caught the sunlight for a brief period.

When the orbits take then through the day side they do get sunlight but you still can't see them because of several reasons. They are too small and distant, their relative speeds are too great, the ambient light conditions are not condusive to visual sightings of these small very fast and distant orbital debris. Bullets and much larger projectiles from cannons also catch and reflect sulight but you can not see them and these are objects that are relatively large and relatively slow, many times slower than orbital debris, and they are completely invisible to the human eye during their trajectories.

[NineDream]

when will somone actually get footage of a ufo close-up.
Every photo/vid on ufo's are always the same.. Out of focus or so far away we dont see anything.

[Slave2Fate]

NineDream, on 16 January 2013 - 03:43 AM, said:

when will somone actually get footage of a ufo close-up.
Every photo/vid on ufo's are always the same.. Out of focus or so far away we dont see anything.

Reminds me of Bigfoot.

[JimOberg]

SwampgasBalloonBoy, on 14 January 2013 - 03:16 AM, said:

No I can't tell what the original footage looked like. But the all footage seemed pretty poor, that's all I can judge it by. So NASA kept all the good quality footage to themselves and release poor version to the public?

So -- you want to believe that because the available evidence is poor, this suggests that better evidence is hidden?

How about a simpler explanation -- there IS no 'better' video and imagery.

What's the evidence for the former hypothesis?

[-M7]

Must distinguish space-junk from UFOs in order to clarify.