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#1366    Sweetpumper

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 07:59 PM

Sky, if this is ever resolved, what are you moving on to next?

Edited by Sweetpumper, 04 April 2013 - 07:59 PM.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 07:59 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 04 April 2013 - 07:58 PM, said:

No Sky, it wasn't.  And neither was WTC 7

Sometimes you make it so easy.

On the contrary, WTC7 suffered from massive impact damage. Did that building in Russia suffer from such massive impact damage as WTC1, WTC2, and WTC7? No!

* Fires within WTC 7

* Massive impact damage to WTC 7

* Buckling of WTC 7 before its collapse


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The Kader Toy Factory Fire
The burning question of safety

This week marked the 13th anniversary of the disastrous Kader toy factory fire in Buddha Monthon district of Nakhon Pathom, in which 188 workers died and 469 were injured. Many who died on May 10, 1993 were young women from impoverished rural families. A large number of the injured suffered serious and permanent disabilities after they were forced to jump from second, third and fourth floors of the buildings to avoid being burned alive. Hundreds of workers were packed into each of the three structures that collapsed.

There were no fire extinguishers, no alarms, no sprinkler systems and the elevated walkways between the buildings were either locked or used as storage areas. The buildings themselves were firetraps, constructed from steel girders that buckled and gave way in less than 15 minutes.

http://www.thaivisa....y-factory-fire/

Three steel framed buildings collapsing due to fire in 15 minutes.

Notice that a huge bomb was unable to bring down WTC1 in 1993. You will also notice that the steel columns were hardly affected by the huge bomb blast even though they are sitting in the crater of the blast.

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There were a lot of firsts for the WTC. In all the history of high-rise fires, not one has ever been hit with a plane traveling 500 miles an hour and had its fire proofing removed from its trusses. In all the history of high-rise fires, not one has ever had its steel columns which hold lateral load sheared off by a 767. In all the history of high-rise fires, not one has ever been a building which had its vertical load bearing columns in its core removed by an airliner. For Building 7, in all the history of high-rise fires, not one has ever been left for 6-7 hours with its bottom floors on fire with structural damage from another building collapse.

Not the Madrid/Windsor tower did not have almost 40 stories of load on its supports after being hit by another building which left a 20 story gash. The Madrid tower lost portions of its steel frame from the fire. Windsor's central core was steel reinforced concrete. In all the history of high-rise fires, not one has ever been without some fire fighters fighting the fires.

http://www.debunking...m/firsttime.htm

After 9:59 am: WTC Building 7 appears damaged


WTC Building 7 appears to have suffered significant damage at some point after the WTC towers had collapsed, according to firefighters at the scene. Firefighter Butch Brandies tells other firefighters that nobody is to go into Building 7 because of creaking and noises coming out of there.

According to Deputy Chief Peter Hayden, there is a bulge in the southwest corner of the building between floors 10 and 13. Battalion Chief John Norman later recalls, "At the edge of the south face you could see that it was very heavily damaged." Deputy Chief Nick Visconti also later recalls recounts, "A big chunk of the lower floors had been taken out on the Vesey Street side." Captain Chris Boyle recalls, "On the south side of 7 there had to be a hole 20 stories tall in the building, with fire on several floors."


http://www.oilempire.us/wtc7.html

Edited by skyeagle409, 04 April 2013 - 08:39 PM.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 08:20 PM

View PostSweetpumper, on 04 April 2013 - 07:59 PM, said:

Sky, if this is ever resolved, what are you moving on to next?

That is there is no evidence of a government conspiracy and the fact that terrorist plans to fly airliners into the WTC buildings, the Capitol building, the White House, CIA headquarters, the Pentagon, and other U.S. landmarks was first revealed in the 1990s by the Philippine government.

Just prior to the 911 attacks, countries around the world, including muslim countries, revealed terrorist plans to attack the United States. It has also been revealed that terrorist had plans to fly an airliner into the Eiffel Tower in Paris, which was broken up by French forces before the airliner could leave the ground. In other words, nothing there to even remotely suggest a government conspiracy.

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed confirmed his role in planning the 911 attacks and I might add that it was his nephew, Ramzi Yousef, was the person who detonated a huge bomb beneath WTC1 in 1993. He later admitted that he tried to topple one of the WTC buildings onto the other.

Edited by skyeagle409, 04 April 2013 - 08:21 PM.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 09:11 PM

View Postskyeagle409, on 04 April 2013 - 08:20 PM, said:

That is there is no evidence of a government conspiracy and the fact that terrorist plans to fly airliners into the WTC buildings, the Capitol building, the White House, CIA headquarters, the Pentagon, and other U.S. landmarks was first revealed in the 1990s by the Philippine government.

Just prior to the 911 attacks, countries around the world, including muslim countries, revealed terrorist plans to attack the United States. It has also been revealed that terrorist had plans to fly an airliner into the Eiffel Tower in Paris, which was broken up by French forces before the airliner could leave the ground. In other words, nothing there to even remotely suggest a government conspiracy.

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed confirmed his role in planning the 911 attacks and I might add that it was his nephew, Ramzi Yousef, was the person who detonated a huge bomb beneath WTC1 in 1993. He later admitted that he tried to topple one of the WTC buildings onto the other.

I meant what topic. You went from UFOs to 911. If this died, what topic would you move on to?

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 09:17 PM

View Postskyeagle409, on 04 April 2013 - 04:58 PM, said:

The ingredients of thermite. :w00t:
Even when I show you the quote you posted last year, you still lie about it. hahahahahaha!! Its there in black and white on the screen.

You didn't just say that there was the ingredients of thermite, you said thermite would be found. :blink: You said you do not know how it could not be found. hahahahaha!!!

Now a year later, you are twisting it too saying, oh it's was just the ingredients. Pathetic!!

View Postskyeagle409, on 04 April 2013 - 04:58 PM, said:

Nope, just the ingredients of thermite. In other words, no planted thermite was found. As I have said before, until  you mix the ingredients of a cake mix, that is all you've got, just the ingredients, not the cake.
So you was wrong a year ago then?? lol

After I pointed out to you that just because you have the ingredients, doesn't mean you get thermite. hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!

Truly stunningly pathetic!! You didn't say it before, you said it after I pointed out to you the problem with your logic.

And here we are, over a year later, after living with the shame of being wrong of saying that thermite would be found, you have now flip flopped and said that no thermite was found.

How can anyone argue with such retarded logic that is about as consistent as verbal diarrhea....lol

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 09:19 PM

View PostSweetpumper, on 04 April 2013 - 09:11 PM, said:

I meant what topic. You went from UFOs to 911. If this died, what topic would you move on to?

Actually, I like it here. I don't see myself going anywhere else at this time.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 09:21 PM

View Postskyeagle409, on 04 April 2013 - 05:07 PM, said:

The official story can't be crap by any means. After all, 911 Truthers have failed to produce a single shred of evidence that refutes the official story.
There is plenty of evidence which refutes it.

Putting your fingers in your ears and going la-la-la-la-la-la! Doesn't make it go away. lol

View Postskyeagle409, on 04 April 2013 - 05:07 PM, said:

Which there wasn't, just the ingredients of thermite, which came from the airframe of the B-767s and from the facade of the WTC builidngs and rust from the WTC buildings.'
But last year, you said it was there....lol

And that it occurred naturally, until I pointed out how absurd that theory is, along with just about every other one you have proposed...lol

View Postskyeagle409, on 04 April 2013 - 05:07 PM, said:

That's right!! :yes: Just the ingredients. As mentioned before, until you  properly mix and bake the ingredients of a cake, you have no cake.
But that is not what you were saying last year was it...lol

You said thermite would be found....lol

Flipity flopperty!!

Edited by Stundie, 04 April 2013 - 09:21 PM.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 09:21 PM

View PostStundie, on 04 April 2013 - 09:17 PM, said:

Even when I show you the quote you posted last year, you still lie about it. hahahahahaha!! Its there in black and white on the screen.

On the contrary, there was no planted thermite recovered from ground zero, only the ingredients. To back that up, there was no evidence of any kind of thermite cutting on the steel columns. And, to back it up even further, thermite is not an explosive nor capable of bringing down the WTC buildings.

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You said thermite would be found...

Only the ingredients of thermite. Simple as that.

Edited by skyeagle409, 04 April 2013 - 09:22 PM.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 09:22 PM

View Postskyeagle409, on 04 April 2013 - 09:19 PM, said:

Actually, I like it here. I don't see myself going anywhere else at this time.
Yeah, he likes the shame and clearly has masochistic tendencies....lol

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 09:24 PM

View PostStundie, on 04 April 2013 - 09:22 PM, said:

Yeah, he likes the shame and clearly has masochistic tendencies....lol

On the contrary, name one government official implicated in the 911 attacks, I will continue to remind you if you fail to post a name.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 09:28 PM

View Postskyeagle409, on 04 April 2013 - 04:54 PM, said:

Fire protection remained intact and none were struck by B-767s. BIG difference.
How silly, you forgot that WTC7 was not struck by a 767...lol

And WTC 5 was struck by debris as it was closer to WTC 1 & 2 than WTC7 and suffered much more impact and fires in comparison to the size of the building.

Meaning that old chestnut doesn't work for you matey....lol

View Postskyeagle409, on 04 April 2013 - 04:54 PM, said:

The WTC buildings had there fire protection knocked off which exposed its steel structure to fire. In addition, inspections prior to 911 attacks found that the fire protection of the WTC buiilding was substandard and improperly installed. Photos show rust and exposed structures of the building and substandard fire protection installation.
ZZZzzzzzzzz!!

View Postskyeagle409, on 04 April 2013 - 04:54 PM, said:

Thermite could not have brought down the WTC buildings and there was no evidence of thermite at ground zero.
Are you sure, because you said last year that thermite would be found?? lol

View Postskyeagle409, on 04 April 2013 - 04:54 PM, said:

Ever thought why RDX, which is much more effective than thermite and used by the demolition industry, requires the use of explosives and structure pre-weakening?
Again, repeating yourself.....lol

Ever wondered why you think that fire is better than explosives because it doesn't require pre-weakening according to your logic?? Of course not cause that will challenge your double think...lol

View Postskyeagle409, on 04 April 2013 - 04:54 PM, said:

Reality time. Demolition companies do not use thermite for demolishing buildings. A single person with a powered saw can knock down a steel tower. Nothing new there.
Demo companies don't use fires, although I'm sure there is a gap in the market for your matchbox demolition company because fires are more than capable of taking down an overpass and a toy factory in a third world country...lol

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 09:28 PM

View PostStundie, on 04 April 2013 - 09:22 PM, said:

Yeah, he likes the shame and clearly has masochistic tendencies....lol

Lesson time

NIST concluded that the source of the molten material was aluminum alloys from the aircraft, since these are known to melt between 475 degrees Celsius and 640 degrees Celsius (depending on the particular alloy), well below the expected temperatures (about 1,000 degrees Celsius) in the vicinity of the fires. Aluminum is not expected to ignite at normal fire temperatures and there is no visual indication that the material flowing from the tower was burning.

Pure liquid aluminum would be expected to appear silvery. However, the molten metal was very likely mixed with large amounts of hot, partially burned, solid organic materials (e.g., furniture, carpets, partitions and computers) which can display an orange glow, much like logs burning in a fireplace. The apparent color also would have been affected by slag formation on the surface."

http://wtc.nist.gov/...faqs_8_2006.htm

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Demo companies don't use fires, although I'm sure there is a gap in the market for your matchbox demolition company because fires are more than capable of taking down an overpass and a toy factory in a third world country

In case you didn't know it, and you didn't, building implosions require a great level of precision, and fire does not meet that level of precision. Just thought you might want to know that. On another note, do airliners carry oxygen generators?

Edited by skyeagle409, 04 April 2013 - 09:32 PM.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 09:32 PM

View Postskyeagle409, on 04 April 2013 - 07:59 PM, said:

On the contrary, WTC7 suffered from massive impact damage. Did that building in Russia suffer from such massive impact damage as WTC1, WTC2, and WTC7? No!

* Fires within WTC 7

* Massive impact damage to WTC 7

* Buckling of WTC 7 before its collapse


Posted Image

In addition:

The Kader Toy Factory Fire
The burning question of safety

This week marked the 13th anniversary of the disastrous Kader toy factory fire in Buddha Monthon district of Nakhon Pathom, in which 188 workers died and 469 were injured. Many who died on May 10, 1993 were young women from impoverished rural families. A large number of the injured suffered serious and permanent disabilities after they were forced to jump from second, third and fourth floors of the buildings to avoid being burned alive. Hundreds of workers were packed into each of the three structures that collapsed.

There were no fire extinguishers, no alarms, no sprinkler systems and the elevated walkways between the buildings were either locked or used as storage areas. The buildings themselves were firetraps, constructed from steel girders that buckled and gave way in less than 15 minutes.

http://www.thaivisa....y-factory-fire/

Three steel framed buildings collapsing due to fire in 15 minutes.

Notice that a huge bomb was unable to bring down WTC1 in 1993. You will also notice that the steel columns were hardly affected by the huge bomb blast even though they are sitting in the crater of the blast.

Posted Image

There were a lot of firsts for the WTC. In all the history of high-rise fires, not one has ever been hit with a plane traveling 500 miles an hour and had its fire proofing removed from its trusses. In all the history of high-rise fires, not one has ever had its steel columns which hold lateral load sheared off by a 767. In all the history of high-rise fires, not one has ever been a building which had its vertical load bearing columns in its core removed by an airliner. For Building 7, in all the history of high-rise fires, not one has ever been left for 6-7 hours with its bottom floors on fire with structural damage from another building collapse.

Not the Madrid/Windsor tower did not have almost 40 stories of load on its supports after being hit by another building which left a 20 story gash. The Madrid tower lost portions of its steel frame from the fire. Windsor's central core was steel reinforced concrete. In all the history of high-rise fires, not one has ever been without some fire fighters fighting the fires.

http://www.debunking...m/firsttime.htm

After 9:59 am: WTC Building 7 appears damaged


WTC Building 7 appears to have suffered significant damage at some point after the WTC towers had collapsed, according to firefighters at the scene. Firefighter Butch Brandies tells other firefighters that nobody is to go into Building 7 because of creaking and noises coming out of there.

According to Deputy Chief Peter Hayden, there is a bulge in the southwest corner of the building between floors 10 and 13. Battalion Chief John Norman later recalls, "At the edge of the south face you could see that it was very heavily damaged." Deputy Chief Nick Visconti also later recalls recounts, "A big chunk of the lower floors had been taken out on the Vesey Street side." Captain Chris Boyle recalls, "On the south side of 7 there had to be a hole 20 stories tall in the building, with fire on several floors."


http://www.oilempire.us/wtc7.html
Yes, lets use a third world sub standard toy factory as a comparison to the WTC7......lol

While more realistic buildings such as One Meridan Plaza, Caracas Towers, First Interstate Bank, 1 New York Plaza, Beijing Mandarin Hotel and WTC 5 which are all high rise steel structures just like the WTC7, should be avoided....lol

Because they didn't collapse from fires!! hahahahahahahahaha!! lol

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 09:33 PM

View Postskyeagle409, on 04 April 2013 - 05:12 PM, said:

Compressed air is forced out, which was exactly the case when the WTC buildings collapsed, and this video backups it up. Simply scientific logic, you understand. Something that even a high school science student would have understood. Check it out.

ENERGY TRANSFER IN THE WTC COLLAPSE

Thus, based on the dimensions of each WTC tower, there were 10,000 m3 of “open space” per floor. The collapsing floor acted like a giant piston compressing the air occupying the open space between floor and ceiling.

The pressure build-up would have shattered windows almost immediately, expelling the enclosed air. However, the process  of collapse would have simultaneously crushed the gypsum wallboard and fiberglass insulation present on every floor and some of this debris would have been expelled also.

How fast was this dust cloud expelled? The first collapsing floor fell the 3.7-meter ceiling-to-floor distance in 0.87 seconds and subsequent floors fell much faster. It follows that a volume of dusty air near the center of a collapsing floor traversed a horizontal distance of about 16 meters in 0.87 seconds in exiting the building. This volume therefore had an average expulsion velocity of 66 km or 41 miles per hour. As we have shown, the twin towers ultimately attained a collapse velocity in excess of 50 m/s in which case thelower floors were crushed in 0.074 seconds and dust expulsion velocities approached 778 km or 484 miles per hour!

http://www.911myths.com/WTCREPORT.pdf

Very simple to understand, which was something I knew back in high school. And remember, this video debunks claims that the WTC squibs was evidence of explosives.


Its not compressed air, because the air is not continuous as the air is escaping as the building collapses....lol

Its goes puff, then does a u-turn and moves to another location. And compressed air doesn't do that...lol

Another debunking fail to add to the skip, which is getting full....lol

Edited by Stundie, 04 April 2013 - 09:34 PM.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 09:34 PM

View PostStundie, on 04 April 2013 - 09:32 PM, said:

Yes, lets use a third world sub standard toy factory as a comparison to the WTC7.....

And, those steel frames buildings collapsed in 15 minutes due to fire, as noted in the reports. Now, let's use 911 Truther standard of evidence for 911 regarding explosives.

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As you can plainly see, not one of those steel columns was destroyed by that huge bomb.

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While more realistic buildings such as One Meridan Plaza, Caracas Towers, First Interstate Bank, 1 New York Plaza, Beijing Mandarin Hotel and WTC 5 which are all high rise steel structures just like the WTC7, should be avoided...

I am very sure their fire protection remained intact despite the fact that WTC5 suffered from internal structural collapse, which I am sure you were unaware of.

Edited by skyeagle409, 04 April 2013 - 09:39 PM.

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