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#1396    skyeagle409

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 10:04 PM

View PostStundie, on 04 April 2013 - 10:00 PM, said:

They failed. They mixed aluminium with other materials and it looked nothing like the stuff pouring out of the WTC.

Here is the video of the man from the NIST failing...AGAIN Aeeing as you are repeating yourself, I'll feel I should do the same until you can actually address the points raised.




If you look a bit harder, you will see orange material as he pours the aluminum,which once again, debunks your claim. And:


Pure liquid aluminum would be expected to appear silvery. However, the molten metal was very likely mixed with large amounts of hot, partially burned, solid organic materials (e.g., furniture, carpets, partitions and computers) which can display an orange glow, much like logs burning in a fireplace. The apparent color also would have been affected by slag formation on the surface."

http://wtc.nist.gov/...faqs_8_2006.htm

Edited by skyeagle409, 04 April 2013 - 10:05 PM.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 10:05 PM

View Postskyeagle409, on 04 April 2013 - 10:01 PM, said:

Let's take another look.

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Now, what is that we see on the lower part of the photo? Silvery  droplets and yet, you said:

" There are no silvery droplets...."

In other words, you are guilty of spewing disinformation.
Watch the video, you can still see they are glowing hot...lol


View Postskyeagle409, on 04 April 2013 - 10:01 PM, said:

Again, you haven't been paying any attention. Check it out.

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Pure liquid aluminum would be expected to appear silvery. However, the molten metal was very likely mixed with large amounts of hot, partially burned, solid organic materials (e.g., furniture, carpets, partitions and computers) which can display an orange glow, much like logs burning in a fireplace. The apparent color also would have been affected by slag formation on the surface."

http://wtc.nist.gov/...faqs_8_2006.htm
No, I've responded to your spam with this....



A video showing that what the NIST say is patently false because they cannot repeat the conditions and therefore under scientific methods, they have failed to test their hypothesis.

Repeating the NIST FAQs, doesn't change the fact they failed to test their hypothesis under scientific conditions...lol

Edited by Stundie, 04 April 2013 - 10:05 PM.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 10:09 PM

View PostStundie, on 04 April 2013 - 10:05 PM, said:

Watch the video, you can still see they are glowing hot...

And, you will see orange material inside the  cup as the aluminum is poured. Are you denying this?

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 10:11 PM

View Postskyeagle409, on 04 April 2013 - 10:09 PM, said:

And, you will see orange material inside the  cup as the aluminum is poured. Are you denying this?
No, you see orange when he is applying the flame, which is what you would expect, but you do not see any orange once it is being poured and it looks nothing like the molten stuff falling from the WTC which stays hot for many floors.

And that was after an hour of trying to mix the materials...lol

Again, proving that your aluminium theory is falling apart before your eyes...lol

Edited by Stundie, 04 April 2013 - 10:12 PM.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 10:16 PM

View PostStundie, on 04 April 2013 - 10:11 PM, said:

No, you see orange when he is applying the flame...

You mean, there is orange color in that cup after all?? I rest my case.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 10:19 PM

View Postskyeagle409, on 04 April 2013 - 10:16 PM, said:

You mean, there is orange color in that cup after all?? I rest my case.
Oh dear....hahahahahahahahahaha!!

And what happens when he pours it....

A ) Does it stay orange?? lol
or
B ) Does it change to silver the moment its left the heat source because as I've said all along, aluminium is rubbish at retaining it's heat...lol

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 10:31 PM

View PostStundie, on 04 April 2013 - 10:19 PM, said:


And what happens when he pours it....

You get silvery droplets like you see in this photo.

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And, remember:

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"The flow is likely to be a mixture of aluminum, aluminum oxides, molten glass and coals of whatever trash the aluminum flowed over as it reached the open window. Such a flow would appear orange and cool to a dark color."

Stephen D. Chastain

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 10:35 PM

View Postskyeagle409, on 04 April 2013 - 10:31 PM, said:

You get silvery droplets like you see in this photo.

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And, remember:

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"The flow is likely to be a mixture of aluminum, aluminum oxides, molten glass and coals of whatever trash the aluminum flowed over as it reached the open window. Such a flow would appear orange and cool to a dark color."

Stephen D. Chastain
"The flow is likely...." is not evidence...lol It's a guess which is clearly wrong.

As I told you before, you clearly have a copy of this photo on your computer.

So crank up MSpaint or the Linux equivalent if you use that OS instead,  point out these silver/grey droplets which you allude to and show us what we are talking about, because when you look at the video, all the hot sparks/drops fade to grey.

Come one Skyeagle, surely you can get use paint

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 10:37 PM

View PostStundie, on 04 April 2013 - 10:35 PM, said:

"The flow is likely...." is not evidence...lol It's a guess which is clearly wrong.

Of course it is evidence for molten aluminum, as you can plainly see the silvery aluminum droplets in the photo.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 10:39 PM

Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy theories and Controlled Demolition Myths

The color means nothing. The color can be misleading, and because it can be misleading, it means nothing as evidence. This is not aluminum in a foundry which hasn't mixed with anything. This is a cocktail of whatever was on the plane and in the towers which happens to come together. It wouldn't be unreasonable to suspect Aluminum and some other properties has changed its color.

The material flowing out the window that was glowing wasn't necessarily due to black body radiation but could have been due to spectra generated by chemical reactions in various materials in the melt that may have interacted with each other. A third factor that affects color would be reflection of ambient light, which isn't black body radiation and isn't spectra due to chemical reactions.

http://www.debunking...moltensteel.htm

http://outreach.atnf...roscopyhow.html

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 10:46 PM

View Postskyeagle409, on 04 April 2013 - 10:39 PM, said:

Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy theories and Controlled Demolition Myths

The color means nothing. The color can be misleading, and because it can be misleading, it means nothing as evidence. This is not aluminum in a foundry which hasn't mixed with anything. This is a cocktail of whatever was on the plane and in the towers which happens to come together. It wouldn't be unreasonable to suspect Aluminum and some other properties has changed its color.

The material flowing out the window that was glowing wasn't necessarily due to black body radiation but could have been due to spectra generated by chemical reactions in various materials in the melt that may have interacted with each other. A third factor that affects color would be reflection of ambient light, which isn't black body radiation and isn't spectra due to chemical reactions.

http://www.debunking...moltensteel.htm

http://outreach.atnf...roscopyhow.html
Posting links to pseudo pantomime debunking does you know favours and shows us that you can't formulate your own arguments and theories which when challenged, are shown to be exactly what they are, a load of nonsense. lol

View Postskyeagle409, on 04 April 2013 - 10:37 PM, said:

Of course it is evidence for molten aluminum, as you can plainly see the silvery aluminum droplets in the photo.
If someone says "It is likely..." then it is not evidence, it's a guess!! lol

See what I mean, you can't differentiate between someone guessing and actual evidence! That is why it's a waste of time trying to engage in a serious conversation with you. If I said "It's likely you are a clever man", that is not evidence that you are a clever man, it means I am guessing you are. Although I am happy to admit I would be wrong about that one...lol

Well then, it should be very easy to point them out in MS Paint or GIMP or whatever paint package in on your computer.

Yet all we get is more spam....lol

Edited by Stundie, 04 April 2013 - 10:49 PM.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 10:58 PM

View PostStundie, on 04 April 2013 - 10:46 PM, said:

Posting links to pseudo pantomime debunking does you know favours and shows us that you can't formulate your own arguments and theories which when challenged, are shown to be exactly what they are, a load of nonsense.

On the contrary, the information came from experts in their field and look what you posted.

Molten Metal at Ground Zero


The material flowing out the window that was glowing wasn't necessarily due to black body radiation but could have been due to spectra generated by chemical reactions in various materials in the melt that may have interacted with each other. A third factor that affects color would be reflection of ambient light, which isn't black body radiation and isn't spectra due to chemical reactions.

In the videos some of the falling drops appeared silver and turned orange briefly when they struck the facade and then turned back to silver. The orange glow in that case wasn't due to black body radiation. The material couldn't have heated and cooled that quickly if it had been black body radiation. One explanation is that molten aluminum, which is very reactive, interacted chemically with impurities on the facade and emitted spectra. The silver appearance is consistent with molten aluminum near its melting point.

http://outreach.atnf...roscopyhow.html

The color means nothing. The color can be misleading, and because it can be misleading, it means nothing as evidence. This is not aluminum in a foundry which hasn't mixed with anything. This is a cocktail of whatever was on the plane and in the towers which happens to come together. It wouldn't be unreasonable to suspect Aluminum and some other properties has changed its color.

The material flowing out the window that was glowing wasn't necessarily due to black body radiation but could have been due to spectra generated by chemical reactions in various materials in the melt that may have interacted with each other. A third factor that affects color would be reflection of ambient light, which isn't black body radiation and isn't spectra due to chemical reactions.

Stephen D. Chastain

http://www.debunking...moltensteel.htm

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 11:03 PM

View Postskyeagle409, on 04 April 2013 - 10:58 PM, said:

On the contrary, the information came from experts in their field and look what you posted.

Molten Metal at Ground Zero


The material flowing out the window that was glowing wasn't necessarily due to black body radiation but could have been due to spectra generated by chemical reactions in various materials in the melt that may have interacted with each other. A third factor that affects color would be reflection of ambient light, which isn't black body radiation and isn't spectra due to chemical reactions.

In the videos some of the falling drops appeared silver and turned orange briefly when they struck the facade and then turned back to silver. The orange glow in that case wasn't due to black body radiation. The material couldn't have heated and cooled that quickly if it had been black body radiation. One explanation is that molten aluminum, which is very reactive, interacted chemically with impurities on the facade and emitted spectra. The silver appearance is consistent with molten aluminum near its melting point.

http://outreach.atnf...roscopyhow.html

The color means nothing. The color can be misleading, and because it can be misleading, it means nothing as evidence. This is not aluminum in a foundry which hasn't mixed with anything. This is a cocktail of whatever was on the plane and in the towers which happens to come together. It wouldn't be unreasonable to suspect Aluminum and some other properties has changed its color.

The material flowing out the window that was glowing wasn't necessarily due to black body radiation but could have been due to spectra generated by chemical reactions in various materials in the melt that may have interacted with each other. A third factor that affects color would be reflection of ambient light, which isn't black body radiation and isn't spectra due to chemical reactions.

Stephen D. Chastain

http://www.debunking...moltensteel.htm
Repeating and posting the same links on the very next posts doesn't prove a god dam thing

The debunking website is pseudo nonsense.

The 2nd link now debunks your own chart which you posted by stating that the colour means nothing.....

See what I mean, you are a hypocrite and it's a waste of time trying to have a serious debate with you when one minute you are posting a temperature colour chart to prove your theory when in the next, you post a man who says that the colour means nothing...lol

Then he goes on to theories about how it could be....spectra generated by chemical reactions....which again you think is evidence.

Proving that you can't disseminate the difference between something that "could be" and something that actually "is." In otherwords the man is guessing...lol...cause it also "could not be"...lol

Truly pathetic...lol

Debunked in less than a few minutes if you bothered to read and understand the context...lol

Edited by Stundie, 04 April 2013 - 11:04 PM.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 11:06 PM

View PostStundie, on 04 April 2013 - 11:03 PM, said:

Repeating and posting the same links on the very next posts doesn't prove a god dam thing

But, where's the evidence money??? You make a claim of wealth and fame, so you are going to have to prove it. Anyone can claim themselves as a millionaire, but it is the evidence money that counts.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 11:11 PM

View Postskyeagle409, on 04 April 2013 - 11:06 PM, said:

But, where's the evidence money??? You make a claim of wealth and fame, so you are going to have to prove it. Anyone can claim themselves as a millionaire, but it is the evidence money that counts.
When someone who thinks eyewitnesses who claim they saw/felt/heard explosions is not evidence, but then in next breath, presents eyewitnesses who claims they saw/heard or were told that it was an elevator falling.

It would be like playing a game of pool with a twiglet....lol

Edited by Stundie, 04 April 2013 - 11:12 PM.

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