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#1696    skyeagle409

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 01:51 AM

View PostQ24, on 23 May 2013 - 01:20 AM, said:

Now tell us, why are you asking pointless questions again?

I wish to add to the argument.

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Temperature and Strength of Metals
Influence of temperature on the strength of metals

Some common types of steel lose 10% of their strength at 450 C (840 F), and 40% at 550 C (1022 F). At temperatures above 800 C ( 1475 F), it has lost 90% of its strength. Other types of steel are made to stand higher tmperatures before losing 10% of their strength, but they are much more expensive (and are weaker at room temperature).

And there are types which actually get stronger, up to 450 F (but then get a lot weaker at higher temperatures

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 03:53 AM

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And here is why you are mistaken: -



Mistaken??? There were no explosions as WTC7 collapsed and if you are not sure, you can go back and review the video. In regards to the WTC buildings there was no way thermite could have been responsible because the WTC towers were of 'tubular box and core' structures.

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IMPLOSIONWORLD

THE WORLD TRADE CENTER COLLAPSE
Questions & Answers

Implosionworld.com has received numerous inquiries from around the world requesting information and commentary relating to the terrorist attacks of September 11th, 2001, and specifically the felling of the World Trade Center towers. We have been contacted by media outlets, structural engineers, schoolteachers, conspiracy theorists and many others who are searching for answers and some “perspective” regarding these significant events that have evoked deep emotions and undoubtedly changed our world forever.


DID THE WORLD TRADE CENTER TOWERS ACTUALLY “IMPLODE”?

No. They collapsed in an uncontrolled fashion, causing extensive damage to surrounding structures, roadways and utilities. Although when viewed from a distance the towers appeared to have telescoped almost straight down, a closer look at video replays reveal sizeable portions of each building breaking free during the collapse, with the largest sections--some as tall as 30 or 40 stories--actually “laying out” in several directions. The outward failure of these sections is believed to have caused much of the significant damage to adjacent structures, and smaller debris caused structural and cosmetic damage to hundreds of additional buildings around the perimeter of the site.

WHY DID THEY COLLAPSE?

Each 110-story tower contained a central steel core surrounded by open office space, with 18-inch steel tubes running vertically along the outside of the building. These structural elements provided the support for the building, and most experts agree that the planes impacting the buildings alone would not have caused them to collapse. The intense heat from the burning jet fuel, however, gradually softened the steel core and redistributed the weight to the outer tubes, which were slowly deformed by the added weight and the heat of the fire. Eventually, the integrity of these tubes was compromised to the point where they buckled under the weight of the higher floors, causing a gravitational chain reaction that continued until all of the floors were at ground level.

DID THE TERRORISTS PLANT ANY BOMBS IN THE BUILDINGS IN ADVANCE TO GUARANTEE THEIR DEMISE?

To our knowledge there is no evidence whatsoever to support this assertion. Analysis of video and photographs of both towers clearly shows that the initial structural failure occurred at or near the points where the planes impacted the buildings. Furthermore, there is no visible or audible indication that explosives or any other supplemental catalyst was used in the attack.

http://www.implosionworld.com/wtc.htm

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Tod Rittenhouse: Why the World Trade Center collapsed

Tod Rittenhouse is an expert in blast engineering from the international consulting engineering firm Weidlinger Associates and has been the blast engineer for a number of embassies and government buildings. He has been called to discuss such problems as the Oklahoma City bombing and the previous World Trade Center calamity.

CHAT PARTICIPANT: Can you explain why the buildings collapsed?

RITTENHOUSE: The exterior structure is comprised of columns. The vertical load bearing members and the horizontal elements called "beams." When the plane impacted the building, it severely damaged those exterior columns. The following fire further damaged the support columns. So it was a two step event; initial damage by plane and further damage or subsequent loss of structural stability that caused the building to fail.

CHAT PARTICIPANT: Was it due to the structural engineering that the building collapsed relatively straight down?

RITTENHOUSE: There are two reasons why it fell straight down. One is the structural engineering --how it was designed. And how it fell is really a phenomenon. The other reason is because the impact zone was so high up in the building that the weight of the uppermost floors fell onto the impact zone. Had the impact zone been lower in the building, the structure may have fallen in a tree-like effect, rather than crushing down on itself.

http://archives.cnn....ttenhouse.cnna/


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Posted 23 May 2013 - 03:55 AM

That says it All Skyeagle ! on your Six ! :gun:

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 04:13 AM

View PostDONTEATUS, on 23 May 2013 - 03:55 AM, said:

That says it All Skyeagle ! on your Six ! :gun:

I heard that!! :tu: Check this out in regards to Steven Jones, the person who has been throwing his thermite claim around the Internet.

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Fulton College of Engineering and Technology

"The structural engineering faculty in the Fulton College of Engineering and Technology do not support the hypotheses of Professor Jones."

- The College of Engineering and Technology department

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A. Woodruff Miller, Department Chair

"I think without exception, the structural engineering professors in our department are not in agreement with the claims made by Jones in his paper, and they don't think there is accuracy and validity to these claims" "The university is aware that Professor Steven Jones's hypotheses and interpretations of evidence regarding the collapse of World Trade Center buildings are being questioned by a number of scholars and practitioners, including many of BYU's own faculty members.

Professor Jones's department and college administrators are not convinced that his analyses and hypotheses have been submitted to relevant scientific venues that would ensure rigorous technical peer review."

- A. Woodruff Miller, Department Chair, BYU department of Civil and Environmental Engineering

And now, we have this:

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Van D. Romero, Ph.D

"Demolition expert Romero regrets that his comments to the Albuquerque Journal became fodder for conspiracy theorists. "I was misquoted in saying that I thought it was explosives that brought down the building," he tells PM. "I only said that that's what it looked like."

Romero, who agrees with the scientific conclusion that fire triggered the collapses, demanded a retraction from the Journal. It was printed Sept. 22, 2001. "I felt like my scientific reputation was on the line." But emperors-clothes.com saw something else: "The paymaster of Romero's research institute is the Pentagon. Directly or indirectly, pressure was brought to bear, forcing Romero to retract his original statement." Romero responds: "Conspiracy theorists came out saying that the government got to me. That is the farthest thing from the truth. This has been an albatross around my neck for three years."

- Van D. Romero, Ph.D. in Physics

http://www.debunking911.com/civil.htm

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Professor Forman Williams

"But jet fuel wasn't the only thing burning, notes Forman Williams, a professor of engineering at the University of California, San Diego, and one of seven structural engineers and fire experts that PM consulted. He says that while the jet fuel was the catalyst for the WTC fires, the resulting inferno was intensified by the combustible material inside the buildings, including rugs, curtains, furniture and paper. NIST reports that pockets of fire hit 1832°F."

"The jet fuel was the ignition source," Williams tells PM. "It burned for maybe 10 minutes, and [the towers] were still standing in 10 minutes. It was the rest of the stuff burning afterward that was responsible for the heat transfer that eventually brought them down."

http://www.debunking911.com/civil.htm

It is very clear that Steven Jones was the driver of the vehicle that took 911 truthers to the cleaners.

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 04:39 AM

View Postskyeagle409, on 23 May 2013 - 01:51 AM, said:

I wish to add to the argument.

Funny how you should neglect to mention this: -

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Conclusions
Since there was molten steel in the wreckage of the World Trade Center,  and since the temperatures of the fires were insufficient to melt steel, and since the gravitational energy was shown to be very much smaller than the energy needed to melt steel, the Twin Towers and 7 WTC could only have been brought down by explosives or cutter charges.


http://www.journalof...ingWTCsteel.pdf

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Conclusions
This paper has discussed some physical chemistry aspects of thermite and thermate and shown how science explains the existence of iron-aluminum-rich microspheres, why some microspheres are hollow, and why the metallurgical forensic study produced the results it did.  The thermodynamic analysis has provided an understanding of how much thermite is needed to cut away a given amount of steel at 100% efficiency. The complexity of the chemistry involved has been illuminated.

These analyses enhance our understanding of the evidence that proves the use of incendiary devices in demolition of the WTC buildings.


http://www.journalof...hemistryWTC.pdf


Now why did you fail to take notice?

In addition the official story has been shown to spread misinformation and disinformation by claiming the fire brought down the WTC buildings when it was in fact thermite which goes to show that some official theorists haven’t done their homework.

Operation Northwoods was a 1962 plan by the US Department of Defense to cause acts of violence, blamed on Cuba, in order to generate U.S. public support for military action against the Cuban government. The plan called for various false flag actions, such as staged terrorist attacks and plane hijackings, on U.S. and Cuban soil.

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 04:41 AM

View Postskyeagle409, on 23 May 2013 - 03:53 AM, said:

Mistaken??? There were no explosions as WTC7 collapsed and if you are not sure, you can go back and review the video. In regards to the WTC buildings there was no way thermite could have been responsible because the WTC towers were of 'tubular box and core' structures.

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It appears that you have not done your homework because the WTC collapses were due to thermite.

Watch this and remember what have I been saying about thermite: -

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Furthermore the WTC tubular box and core structures were brought down by thermite because there is no way that fire could do it and you can go back to my previous posts to check that.

Operation Northwoods was a 1962 plan by the US Department of Defense to cause acts of violence, blamed on Cuba, in order to generate U.S. public support for military action against the Cuban government. The plan called for various false flag actions, such as staged terrorist attacks and plane hijackings, on U.S. and Cuban soil.

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 04:44 AM

View PostQ24, on 23 May 2013 - 04:39 AM, said:

Funny how you should neglect to mention this: -

Couldn't have been cutter charges. Remember, there was no sound of explosions as the buildings collapse, so you can scratch that one as well by that very fact.


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Now why did you fail to take notice?


No sound of explosions as the WTC buildings collapse which makes it irrelevant by the very fact. :yes:

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In addition the official story has been shown to spread misinformation and disinformation by claiming the fire brought down the WTC buildings when it was in fact thermite which goes to show that some official theorists haven’t done their homework.

Having dome my homework and shown that no explosives of any kind was responsible for  the collapse of the WTC buildings.

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 04:45 AM

View PostQ24, on 23 May 2013 - 04:41 AM, said:

It appears that you have not done your homework because the WTC collapses were due to thermite.

Watch this and remember what have I been saying about thermite: -

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Furthermore the WTC tubular box and core structures were brought down by thermite because there is no way that fire could do it and you can go back to my previous posts to check that.

Thermite was not found in WTC7 either. Ever wondered why demolition companies do not use thermite for demolition implosions, so once again, you can scratch thermite and WTC7 as well  because the buckling of WTC7 was an earlier indication that fire, not thermite nor explosioves was responsible.

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 04:46 AM

View PostDONTEATUS, on 23 May 2013 - 03:55 AM, said:

That says it All Skyeagle ! on your Six ! :gun:

I heard that!  Yes we are saying it all on this thread!  :gun:

Operation Northwoods was a 1962 plan by the US Department of Defense to cause acts of violence, blamed on Cuba, in order to generate U.S. public support for military action against the Cuban government. The plan called for various false flag actions, such as staged terrorist attacks and plane hijackings, on U.S. and Cuban soil.

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 04:48 AM

View PostQ24, on 23 May 2013 - 04:39 AM, said:

Funny how you should neglect to mention this: -

Conclusions
This paper has discussed some physical chemistry aspects of thermite and thermate and shown how science explains the existence of iron-aluminum-rich microspheres, why some microspheres are hollow, and why the metallurgical forensic study produced the results it did.  The thermodynamic analysis has provided an understanding of how much thermite is needed to cut away a given amount of steel at 100% efficiency. The complexity of the chemistry involved has been illuminated.

These analyses enhance our understanding of the evidence that proves the use of incendiary devices in demolition of the WTC buildings.



I have done my homework. What is the significance that vast amounts of barium nitrate was NOT found at ground zero?  Verdict, not thermate either. Now, where is your evidence that explosives and thermite were used?

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 04:51 AM

View Postskyeagle409, on 23 May 2013 - 04:44 AM, said:

Couldn't have been cutter charges. Remember, there was no sound of explosions as the buildings collapse, so you can scratch that one as well by that very fact.

Now what have I said about thermite?


View Postskyeagle409, on 23 May 2013 - 04:44 AM, said:

No sound of explosions as the WTC buildings collapse which makes it irrelevant by the very fact. file:///C:\Users\Gav\AppData\Local\Temp\msohtmlclip1\01\clip_image001.gif

There were explosions but many people spread misinformation and disinformation that there were no explosions.


View Postskyeagle409, on 23 May 2013 - 04:44 AM, said:

Having dome my homework and shown that no explosives of any kind was responsible for  the collapse of the WTC buildings.

It appears that you have not done your homework because the WTC collapses were due to thermite.

Operation Northwoods was a 1962 plan by the US Department of Defense to cause acts of violence, blamed on Cuba, in order to generate U.S. public support for military action against the Cuban government. The plan called for various false flag actions, such as staged terrorist attacks and plane hijackings, on U.S. and Cuban soil.

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 04:54 AM

View Postskyeagle409, on 23 May 2013 - 04:45 AM, said:

Thermite was not found in WTC7 either. Ever wondered why demolition companies do not use thermite for demolition implosions, so once again, you can scratch thermite and WTC7 as well  because the buckling of WTC7 was an earlier indication that fire, not thermite nor explosioves was responsible.

No fire weakened structure was found at the WTC and did you ever wonder why fire did not demolish the WTC buildings?

The reason is because the collapses were due to thermite which you can see in my previous posts.

Operation Northwoods was a 1962 plan by the US Department of Defense to cause acts of violence, blamed on Cuba, in order to generate U.S. public support for military action against the Cuban government. The plan called for various false flag actions, such as staged terrorist attacks and plane hijackings, on U.S. and Cuban soil.

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 04:55 AM

View PostQ24, on 23 May 2013 - 04:51 AM, said:

Now what have I said about thermite?

Nothing of substance, really!!

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There were explosions but many people spread misinformation and disinformation that there were no explosions.

Hearing what sounded like explosions doesn't mean that explosives were involved. You should have known that by now.Remember, firefighters and other later attributed those sounds to other things.

I guess you missed this.:

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WTC Pre-Collapse Bowing Debunks 9/11 "Controlled Demolition" Theory

Indications of the Imminent Collapse of the World Trade Center Buildings Disprove Explosives Theory

Scientists investigating the Sept. 11, 2001 collapse of the twin towers said, "the World Trade Center towers showed telltale signs they were about to collapse several minutes before each crumbled to the ground." There would not be telltale signs if it was explosives (Controlled Demolition) that caused the buildings to collapse.

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 04:56 AM

View Postskyeagle409, on 23 May 2013 - 04:48 AM, said:

I have done my homework. What is the significance that vast amounts of barium nitrate was NOT found at ground zero?  Verdict, not thermate either. Now, where is your evidence that explosives and thermite were used?

False!!  There was evidence of thermite at ground zero and no evidence that fires weakened the steel structure.

Operation Northwoods was a 1962 plan by the US Department of Defense to cause acts of violence, blamed on Cuba, in order to generate U.S. public support for military action against the Cuban government. The plan called for various false flag actions, such as staged terrorist attacks and plane hijackings, on U.S. and Cuban soil.

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 04:59 AM

View PostQ24, on 23 May 2013 - 04:56 AM, said:

False!!  There was evidence of thermite at ground zero and no evidence that fires weakened the steel structure.

No there wasn't. Only the components, which had nothing to do with thermite. This is another hint that fire was responsible for the collapse of the WTC buildings..

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NYC Police Saw Sign of Tower Collapse, Study Says

June 18 (Bloomberg) -- Federal engineering investigators studying the destruction of the World Trade Center's twin towers on Sept. 11 said New York Police Department aviation units reported an inward bowing of the buildings' columns in the minutes before they collapsed, a signal they were about to fall.

``No evidence has been found to suggest the information was communicated to all emergency responders at the scene,'' said an executive summary of a progress report by the National Institute of Standards and Technology, which is conducting the study.

Investigators also found evidence that the south tower, which fell 56 minutes after it was struck by terrorists in a hijacked commercial jet, had less fire proofing than the north tower, which held up for about double the time after it was hit.

http://www.bloomberg...=top_world_news


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