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#1906    Babe Ruth

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 07:13 PM

View PostRaptorBites, on 10 July 2013 - 11:14 PM, said:

Yet any evidence provided to you supporting that OBL died on the Abottabad raid is promptly dismissed by you as being lies.

Not one piece of evidence provided by you to support your claim?  None?  All you offered is your personal opinion on the legitimacy of sources provided.  Your personal opinion is not evidence by the way.

What evidence do you have to support yours and the government's position?

A picture of all the big wigs at the Casa Blanca watching a TV show we can't see?  Some pictures of Abbottabad with a staged helicopter tail section?

He's been dead for years and everybody knows it.  If it was actually him, they would have captured him and returned him to the US, and everybody knows it.

Common Sense is most helpful.


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Posted 11 July 2013 - 07:49 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 11 July 2013 - 07:13 PM, said:

What evidence do you have to support yours and the government's position?

There's much evidence supporting the official story.

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Some pictures of Abbottabad with a staged helicopter tail section?

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As you can plainly see, there's much more to the wreckage than just the tail section and you knew very well the bin Laden operation was not a staged event.

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He's been dead for years and everybody knows it.

Let's take another look.

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Leaked Pakistan report details bin Laden's secret life

Osama bin Laden lived undetected in Pakistan for nine years before he was killed by U.S. forces, according to a leaked Pakistani government report that blasts the country's civilian and military leadership for "gross incompetence" over the bin Laden affair.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/

But, you said; "He's been dead for years and everybody knows it."  It is very obvious why you cannot be taken seriously.

Edited by skyeagle409, 11 July 2013 - 08:01 PM.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 08:44 AM

View Postjoc, on 11 July 2013 - 04:31 AM, said:


You said:  "Yet you dismiss the Pakistanis as liars without evidence or cause?"    Not the same thing as 'no reason to lie'...

I don't have any evidence and have said so repeatedly.  I don't believe the CIA ...I don't believe Obama...I don't believe his government...I don't believe the OBL tapes.  I don't believe anything that has to do with much of what the government of the United States of America says.
It doesn't matter anyway does it?  OBL is as dead as Ambassador Stevens....what does that matter...everyone knows he was killed because of a You Tube video...Obama said so...the CIA said so...The Secretary of State said so...

You have no evidence yet you continue to assert he didn't die in the Abbottabad raid?

Can you explain to me why you even bother posting on this thread if you plan on making claims with no evidence to back them up?  

Are you here to troll?

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 08:47 AM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 11 July 2013 - 07:13 PM, said:



What evidence do you have to support yours and the government's position?

A picture of all the big wigs at the Casa Blanca watching a TV show we can't see?  Some pictures of Abbottabad with a staged helicopter tail section?

He's been dead for years and everybody knows it.  If it was actually him, they would have captured him and returned him to the US, and everybody knows it.

Common Sense is most helpful.

Why would they return him to the US?  Why parade his dead body down our streets?  

Exactly what is the purpose?  To satisfy you truthers?  

Do you realize what implications may occur with our relations in the middle east by making OBL's body as a horse and donkey show?  

It's common sense BR.  Which you obviously lack considering you still think the chopper is staged.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 09:51 AM

View PostRaptorBites, on 12 July 2013 - 08:47 AM, said:

Why would they return him to the US?  Why parade his dead body down our streets?  

Exactly what is the purpose?  To satisfy you truthers?

BR said, “If it was actually him, they would have captured him and returned him to the US”.  That does not involve parading, “his dead body down our streets”.  The purpose of the capture would be to provide U.S. intelligence with a potential source of information on Al Qaeda beyond their dreams, and show we are better than terrorists by putting bin Laden on trial according to the laws of civilised society.

However, I would disagree with BR’s initial statement.  BR, no U.S. President in their right mind would want bin Laden alive and able to provide testimony to his own circumstances and that of Al Qaeda – that has potential to bring the curtain down on the whole show.  Therefore, your argument is not assured and does not provide reason to believe bin Laden was not killed in Abbottabad.

Operation Northwoods was a 1962 plan by the US Department of Defense to cause acts of violence, blamed on Cuba, in order to generate U.S. public support for military action against the Cuban government. The plan called for various false flag actions, such as staged terrorist attacks and plane hijackings, on U.S. and Cuban soil.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 12:39 PM

View PostRaptorBites, on 12 July 2013 - 08:47 AM, said:

Why would they return him to the US?  Why parade his dead body down our streets?  

Exactly what is the purpose?  To satisfy you truthers?  

Do you realize what implications may occur with our relations in the middle east by making OBL's body as a horse and donkey show?  

It's common sense BR.  Which you obviously lack considering you still think the chopper is staged.

Why would they return him to the US?  Because he was the Devil Incarnate, as portrayed by 2 administrations.

Because he was the biggest political prize ever, as they supposedly chased him all around Tora Bora.  Because his name was invoked by government agents all the time in the media, despite the fact that they never bothered to indict him.

The Abbottabad incident was contrived to change the subject in the media, away from Obama's numerous problems at the time.


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 06:05 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 12 July 2013 - 12:39 PM, said:

The Abbottabad incident was contrived to change the subject in the media, away from Obama's numerous problems at the time.

How amusing that you would say such a thing considering that the bin Laden operation was a reality.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 06:08 PM

View PostQ24, on 12 July 2013 - 09:51 AM, said:

BR said, “If it was actually him, they would have captured him and returned him to the US”.

It would not have been prudent to capture bin Laden and bring him to the United States. That would have created too many problems, especially since there are thousands of dangerous terrorist looking to make a name for themselves and to bad things to try and force the United States to release him. Capturing and bringing bin Laden to America?! No a got idea.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 07:26 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 12 July 2013 - 12:39 PM, said:

The Abbottabad incident was contrived to change the subject in the media, away from Obama's numerous problems at the time.

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Obituary: Osama bin Laden

http://www.aljazeera...1555423645.html




Bin Laden’s daughter confirms her father shot dead by US Special Forces in Pakistan

http://www.alarabiya.../04/147782.html


Usama Bin Laden Killed in Firefight With U.S. Special Ops Team in Pakistan

http://www.foxnews.c.../#ixzz2YrBop43j


Leaked Bin Laden report reveals Pakistan failures

Bin Laden was killed by US forces in north-west Pakistan in May 2011

http://www.bbc.co.uk...d-asia-23235847


In aftermath of scathing bin Laden report, Pakistan asks itself hard questions

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan – The leak of a 336-page report investigating the security lapses that led to both Osama bin Laden’s extensive stay in Pakistan and the raid that killed him on May 1, 2011 shows that Pakistan has finally started asking itself some tough questions.

http://worldnews.nbc...-hard-questions

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World leaders react to news of bin Laden's death

http://www.cnn.com/2...acts/index.html


Osama Bin Laden Killed: Worldwide Reactions

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 07:48 PM

Correction:

It would not have been prudent to capture bin Laden and bring him to the United States. That would have created too many problems, especially since there are thousands of dangerous terrorist looking to make a name for themselves and would have done bad things to force the United States to release him. Capturing and bringing bin Laden to America?! Not a good idea.

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 03:23 AM

View PostRaptorBites, on 12 July 2013 - 08:44 AM, said:

You have no evidence yet you continue to assert he didn't die in the Abbottabad raid?

Can you explain to me why you even bother posting on this thread if you plan on making claims with no evidence to back them up?  

Are you here to troll?
Bite me Raptor!  I started this freaking thread and it wasn't about Osama...
Look, here is the deal...we are talking about an organization that THRIVES on deceit...an organization that puts agents in harms way INSIDE the very cave of the guys they want to kill...Spy stuff...Secret Stuff...Top Secret Stuff...Stuff nobody else knows and if you tell you'll die for telling stuff!
And yet...I am supposed to just roll over and lap up the 'truth' that they speil like it was gravy on toast!
There weren't any pictures...there wasn't a body that anyone SUBSTANTIAL...LIKE ME JACK...AND YOU JACK...AND EVERY MOTHER'S BROTHER'S NEPHEW...could look at and say...hmmm...well...there you go.
No...they buried him at sea...nobody real saw the body...nobody real saw any pictures and I don't really give a bloody GotSpam what Osama's daughter said or did or any of that nonsense.
I am not a sheep...go baa somewhere else!  Grrrrrr...the wolves don't follow the herd...get it?

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 03:30 AM

View Postskyeagle409, on 29 June 2013 - 08:42 AM, said:

There was no way that evidence of explosives could have been removed illegally because the explosive evidence would have been evident all over ground zero. In other words, clean-up crews would have had a difficult time avoiding any explosive evidence.


Makes no difference what you or I or anyone else think.

It is hard evidence - there's nothing more important in any investigation.  

They can't remove any of it, period. That is a crime.


To say the evidence wouldn't have mattered anyway, that is just your personal opinion.

That's not what you did, though.

You hold it up to excuse the crime of removing evidence!

You don't want or seek the truth. Clearly not.


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Posted 13 July 2013 - 03:39 AM

View Postturbonium, on 13 July 2013 - 03:30 AM, said:

Makes no difference what you or I or anyone else think.

It is hard evidence - there's nothing more important in any investigation.  

They can't remove any of it, period. That is a crime.


To say the evidence wouldn't have mattered anyway, that is just your personal opinion.

That's not what you did, though.

You hold it up to excuse the crime of removing evidence!

You don't want or seek the truth. Clearly not.
Actually, it does make a difference what we think...that is what all of this is about...what we think...and why...and what thoughts are found to be valid and what thoughts are found to be invalid.  SkyEagle has done a remarkable job of PROVING beyond a shadow of a doubt that there were no explosives used at 911...that the Pancake effect was real...not just some conjecture of the Powers That Be.  There were no explosives used at the Twin Towers.  There were jet airplanes full of innocent Americans.  That's been proven.  That is reality.  It does matter what you think.  It does matter what I think.  It does matter what the truth is...it is knowable...at least in the case of 911.

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 06:21 AM

View Postjoc, on 13 July 2013 - 03:39 AM, said:

Actually, it does make a difference what we think...that is what all of this is about...what we think...and why...and what thoughts are found to be valid and what thoughts are found to be invalid.  SkyEagle has done a remarkable job of PROVING beyond a shadow of a doubt that there were no explosives used at 911...that the Pancake effect was real...not just some conjecture of the Powers That Be.  There were no explosives used at the Twin Towers.  There were jet airplanes full of innocent Americans.  That's been proven.  That is reality.  It does matter what you think.  It does matter what I think.  It does matter what the truth is...it is knowable...at least in the case of 911.

Truth is all that matters in the end.

If evidence is removed, who can really know the truth?  

Ask yourself who would want to remove evidence, and bury the truth,

Look at 9/11.


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Posted 13 July 2013 - 07:15 AM

View Postturbonium, on 13 July 2013 - 03:30 AM, said:

Makes no difference what you or I or anyone else think.

Evidence speaks louder than words, and since there is no evidence of explosives, what more is there to say? The proof can be determined here:

*   No bomb explosions seen

*   No bomb explosions heard

*   No bomb explosions detected on seismic monitors (which should have told you that no bombs were used).

*   No evidence of bombs recovered from ground zero.

With no evidence of bombs, you have no case.

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