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[J. K.]

Yamato, on 15 January 2013 - 12:38 AM, said:

Don't tell the Brits there's no such thing as nobility.   All those salutations you're talking about are reserved solely for nobility, btw.

No, being married to a Prince does not make you a princess.  That would be logically consistent and that's what I originally thought too, by mistake.  Kate Middleton was given a title, Duchess of Cambridge, but she is no "Lady" because she is not of royal blood.   I'm not the one who talks like this, confers these silly salutations like this.  Lords and Ladies don't mean fiddlesticks to me.  I think the idea of nobility is crass and stupid, but don't tell me rubbish that it doesn't exist.   You might not agree with it; but denying reality if it doesn't fit your opinion doesn't seem very smart.

I don't there is an effort to deny that the royal bloodline exists.  Rather, I think there is denial that royal blood somehow makes one person more 'noble' than another.  As it was stated in a previous post, the progenitors were just as human as the rest of us.

[questionmark]

Yamato, on 15 January 2013 - 12:51 AM, said:

The article linked to in the OP also takes creative license to call this couple the "future King and Queen of England" too because it has no idea this will be the case.   If William were to die before being crowned King, Kate will be no Queen (she relies utterly on his inheritance of the throne) and she will remain no Princess.

And that would not be any different if she was from a royal household. If William kicks the bucket the next in line is his brother, after that the Duke of York and all the way down to Zenouska Mowatt. After that the line would continue with the House of Harewood to end with the House of Hanover. By then we have a few hundred who would jump into the breach before they would even have to look for a successor. The King Ralph thingy only works in Hollywood.

[keithisco]

Kate IS a Princess, make no mistake in Heraldic terms.  She will probably become Queen at some time in the future, but do not confuse this  with "Queen Regnent" (Queen in her own right as Blood - Queen"). She will become Queen Consort of William - telling you that she is a Queen behind her Husband ( William).  If William "snuffs it" before her then she will become "Queen Mother" without any powers devolved to her in terms of Constitutional Matters.

Hope that makes things a bit clearer for you all.

[Beckys_Mom]

questionmark, on 15 January 2013 - 06:36 PM, said:

And that would not be any different if she was from a royal household. If William kicks the bucket the next in line is his brother, after that the Duke of York and all the way down to Zenouska Mowatt. After that the line would continue with the House of Harewood to end with the House of Hanover. By then we have a few hundred who would jump into the breach before they would even have to look for a successor. The King Ralph thingy only works in Hollywood.

If William kicks the bucket in years to come and he has a child, they would be next in line, not Harry ..

[Mr Right Wing]

Yamato, on 14 January 2013 - 11:38 PM, said:

Why not?  Because she doesn't have royal juice in her veins, that's why.

Yes, the queen made her a Duchess, but Kate Middleton is still not a member of nobility.   She's not 'Lady Middleton', she's just Kate Middleton.  

Her husband is Prince William, but Kate Middleton is no Princess.  

The Yanks, reading their tabloid fairy tales about princesses, need to get it right.

http://www.foxnews.c...gnancy-related/

The media frenzy around them is irritating.

Now dont get me wrong I'm pleased that two people have got married but do we really need -
1. To hear about them every 5 minutes.
2. To have them portrayed as something which they arent. Now dont get me wrong they arent exactly ugly but neither of them are good looking either.
3. Listen to the Royals commentors with their fake voices flapping abouut over them.

A lot of the time its like the media are trying to drive a cult of personality.

[Yamato]

J. K., on 15 January 2013 - 06:16 PM, said:

I don't there is an effort to deny that the royal bloodline exists.  Rather, I think there is denial that royal blood somehow makes one person more 'noble' than another.  As it was stated in a previous post, the progenitors were just as human as the rest of us.

People should be weighed on their merits not their bloodlines.  When will the UK figure this out?

[Yamato]

keithisco, on 15 January 2013 - 06:44 PM, said:

Kate IS a Princess, make no mistake in Heraldic terms.  She will probably become Queen at some time in the future, but do not confuse this  with "Queen Regnent" (Queen in her own right as Blood - Queen"). She will become Queen Consort of William - telling you that she is a Queen behind her Husband ( William).  If William "snuffs it" before her then she will become "Queen Mother" without any powers devolved to her in terms of Constitutional Matters.

Hope that makes things a bit clearer for you all.

Those are just royal titles bestowed by the privileged family that reinforce this whole antiquated notion of bloodlines.  That you're discussing them in so much detail at all trying to rationalize its usage says a lot.  Her title is Duchess of Cambridge, not "Princess".

http://en.wikipedia....ss_of_Cambridge

She will hopefully be bestowed the title of Princess when the Queen dies and she becomes the wife of the heir to the magic blood chair called the throne.  Unless of course, the King doesn't want her to be.  He's got the magic blood after all.  

She's a "Duchess", she's no "Lady", and she's a hopeful Princess in waiting but no "Princess".  

I know what you're thinking.  If one's thinking is that "Well I don't believe in all that bloodline nonsense; however, she's married to the Prince so she's the Princess to me!" then actually, yeah, you have to believe in the bloodline nonsense to even be saying that at all.   Marriage to the bloodline (e.g. the "Prince") is the point of all this silliness in the UK, it can't be denied away.  How these titles of "Lord", "Lady", and "Princess" are dealt with exposes just how ridiculous the UK still is with their beloved monarchy.

[Yamato]

Lady Kasey, on 15 January 2013 - 06:15 PM, said:

Who cares? Obviously you care or you wouldn't have started such an assinine thread.

Yeah I think that our greatest ally in the world ought to catch up with the 21st century already and put the medieval times behind us.

[Mr Right Wing]

Yamato, on 15 January 2013 - 10:55 PM, said:

People should be weighed on their merits not their bloodlines.  When will the UK figure this out?

I dont agree with Monarchy or Democracy (shock horror!). One is inherited (not on merit as you say) and the other has people elected (based on their popularity not merit).

The country would be much better if we had our brightest minds running the show - i.e. let the economists run the economy, let the psychologists be the parents, etc

Edited by Mr Right Wing, 15 January 2013 - 11:26 PM.

[Yamato]

questionmark, on 15 January 2013 - 06:36 PM, said:

And that would not be any different if she was from a royal household. If William kicks the bucket the next in line is his brother, after that the Duke of York and all the way down to Zenouska Mowatt. After that the line would continue with the House of Harewood to end with the House of Hanover. By then we have a few hundred who would jump into the breach before they would even have to look for a successor. The King Ralph thingy only works in Hollywood.

It wouldn't be any different, and yet it should be a lot different, which is the whole point of this thread nearly everyone seems to be missing.

Harry would be next in line to the magic blood chair only if William dies AND William bore no child of the right gender.

[archer95446]

Sorry to tell you Yamato, but Kate Middleton IS a descendant of King Edward 3rd, on her  father's side of the tree!!!
She's even a descendant of William the Conqueror, the Kings of Scotland, the High Kings of Ireland, and of almost all of
the Kings and Queens of ancient France.   Just like Princess Diana, who was descended from the House of Stuart, the
House of Bourbon (King Henry 4th of France), and the House of Medici !!!!!!  Do the research, you'll be amazed with what
you'll find!!!!

[Yamato]

archer95446, on 16 January 2013 - 12:01 AM, said:

Sorry to tell you Yamato, but Kate Middleton IS a descendant of King Edward 3rd, on her  father's side of the tree!!!
She's even a descendant of William the Conqueror, the Kings of Scotland, the High Kings of Ireland, and of almost all of
the Kings and Queens of ancient France.   Just like Princess Diana, who was descended from the House of Stuart, the
House of Bourbon (King Henry 4th of France), and the House of Medici !!!!!!  Do the research, you'll be amazed with what
you'll find!!!!

Family trees grow quite a lot of branches in a blood line 700 years long.   I'd be more amazed to figure out why it even matters in the 21st century.

[watoom]

I've always wondered whether if you were able to capture/kidnap the Queen (disclaimer: completely hypothetical) and force her to renounce the throne to you, would you then legally be  the new monarch?

[ealdwita]

Another pillow and more popcorn, methinks!

[G Donnelly]

Mr Right Wing, on 15 January 2013 - 10:23 PM, said:

The media frenzy around them is irritating.

Now dont get me wrong I'm pleased that two people have got married but do we really need -
1. To hear about them every 5 minutes.
2. To have them portrayed as something which they arent. Now dont get me wrong they arent exactly ugly but neither of them are good looking either.
3. Listen to the Royals commentors with their fake voices flapping abouut over them.

A lot of the time its like the media are trying to drive a cult of personality.

The royal family? Eh?
They are like an institution but to me an insititution is a glorified lunatic asylum.

I wouldn't even waste time spitting on them never mind curtsy.
And if that wasn't enough they are mind-blowingly ugly through all that inbreeding.
There's no stud muffins or glamour pusses within their over-inflated egos.
They are trying to improve their DNA stock through the Middletons.
But the Middletons are still upper middle class in my eyes and I doubt a commoner would get a look in.
Tbh I don't care if Pippa got "rear of the year" because she's still brown- nosing to the Royal Family.
I hope it's a sign of the times now that Katy Middleton isn't a princess because it's about time the monarchy is demolished.
Though I'm curious to see if she becomes a queen from just being a mere duchess.
You can have the Royal Family building your statue because they are not far from being unemployed bums.

Edited by Medium Brown, 16 January 2013 - 12:48 PM.