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[ninjadude]

joc, on 28 January 2013 - 01:51 AM, said:

Do you have Talk Radio in Ireland?  If not, basically, it is Radio shows that allow callers to go on the air and say their point of view.  Most of them are very conservative.

radio. how quaint. You actually listen to radio?

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The Left believe basically in Government over the Individual.  Government is the righter of wrongs...government should give you everything you need in life.  That is a key point because...if you give someone the money they need to survive, they are more likely to vote for you.  

I see how. You are uneducated about Liberalism. I suggest you learn more. What you stated is hogwash.

http://www.goodreads...who-looks-ahead
http://www.democrats...tional-platform

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the President kept extending UnEmployment benefits indefinitely.  I know people who have been drawing unemployment for 3 years when it should have only been six months.  And Food Stamps...etc.  So many people in this country are now getting their 'everything' from the government.

do you have ANY idea how deep the recession hit in 2008? Based on these comments I would suggest not.
http://economix.blog...-job-changes-3/

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Just wait until the new 'Health'care system kicks in

we do NOT have a new health care system.

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....Obama may well be President for life.

based on ranting conspiracy theories from talk radio?!! Please PLEASE. look outside of the bubble.

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[joc]

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radio. how quaint. You actually listen to radio?

You are such a jerk sometimes!  But a funny one...
Actually I usually listen to 97.1 the Eagle (Dallas) because I like that kind of music.  Plus, they feature The Sixx Sense in the mornings which is a show hosted by Niki Sixx of Motley Crue...doesn't get much more quaint than that does it? I don't listen to Talk Radio that much really.  Sometimes when I get bored.

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I see how. You are uneducated about Liberalism. I suggest you learn more. What you stated is hogwash.

No, I am VERY educated about Liberalism.

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do you have ANY idea how deep the recession hit in 2008? Based on these comments I would suggest not.

Yeah, I do...but you got your dates wrong...the DEEP recession hit in 2009!   I know...I lived it pal!  My Income Tax Statement shows that my income dropped 2/3rds of what it was in 2008.  Yeah...and guess what...it isn't much better in 2013.

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we do NOT have a new health care system.

Good God son!  You talk about ME living in a bubble?  Where the hell have you been?  Wait..nevermind...I get it...your a hack through and through...

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based on ranting conspiracy theories from talk radio?!! Please PLEASE. look outside of the bubble.

I don't know what 'conspiracies theories' you are talking about.  I'm talking about economics and politics.
Feel free to continue your hacking lies though.  They are somewhat amusing.

[Beckys_Mom]

joc, on 28 January 2013 - 01:51 AM, said:

Very good enough!  Okay, I am going to attempt to educate you to what is going on over here.  I truly want you to understand....and so many who are 'here' don't, but I will try.   And, no doubt, many will disagree with me.  Nonetheless.
Something happened over here during the Clinton administration.  The Press, that is The Media, and ALL of the Democrats solididfied as ONE behind Bill Clinton.  He lied, he cheated, it didn't matter.  The Media chose a side.  That is the first thing you have to understand.  They chose a side for a reason...they had to.  Forever before, The Media shaped the thought process of Americans and the World because they had a monopoly on information.   Not so thanks to the internet, talk radio, etc.   Do you have Talk Radio in Ireland?  If not, basically, it is Radio shows that allow callers to go on the air and say their point of view.  Most of them are very conservative.

But the Media chose sides...and they chose the Left.  The Left believe basically in Government over the Individual.  Government is the righter of wrongs...government should give you everything you need in life.  That is a key point because...if you give someone the money they need to survive, they are more likely to vote for you.  Which is what we have now...the President kept extending UnEmployment benefits indefinitely.  I know people who have been drawing unemployment for 3 years when it should have only been six months.  And Food Stamps...etc.  So many people in this country are now getting their 'everything' from the government.  They are afraid to lose that because it is all they have...so they kept voting for Obama.  Just wait until the new 'Health'care system kicks in....Obama may well be President for life...everything is changing in this country Beckys_Mom.  It isn't the Land of the Free anymore.  We have five year olds being suspended from Kindergarten because they pointed their finger and said Bang.  And...if we aren't free anymore...where does that leave the rest of the world?

If what you are saying is indeed true, then I would say that surely Obama is not the first democrat to do that.. I have heard of democrats giving more for those living on food stamps and drawing unemployment benefits before... I am not going to say much more on that, because I do not know how hard it is for people to find work over there....
I know so many blame him for everything that goes wrong...Make note- I am not saying he is not to blame for a number of issues that you feel has went wrong, as I am sure he is to blame for a number of things, but the line should be drawn somewhere......Next thing you know people will blame him if they miss their bus  or their toilet wont flush.. It could get ridiculous ..  Blame him for health care, taxes, your rights, and other issues the country is having , that's is fair, but a 5 year old being suspended over something that many kids elsewhere have done the same and not faced suspension is ripping the backside out of it.....
As for talk radio in Ireland, yes  we have lots of it, but I never listen to the radio..  I will tell you one place I would not like to work in, and that is the government.. I would not like to put myself on that role There are reasons for decisions made and so much goes into it..  

Please note, I am not taking sides, I am however trying to look at both sides..  Understanding how both sides work is a lot more informative.. I can gain more from doing that, than I  could by taking one side

Let me ask you something.. Picture you as the president.. For example..  If you wanted to lower taxes for IE those who are earning under $80,000 a year, which accounts for millions of people
( remember it is an example )  How would you go about doing that without messing other things up for others?
Remember, if you are to lower tax for so many people,  that is money from the government that has to go, but needs to be made up from other sources..No government can lower taxes without loosing money .It has to be made up... What steps do you think need to be taken for that to go smoothly as you promised ?  Who will get effected and at what cost?....  Where would you find the money to make up for the tax cuts you were looking to make?  There is so much to look at and see what can be done that will not cause more trouble   That is just one example, there are so many things you would have to look at and see how you can straighten out ..

Do you think you could make everyone happy if you were in charge?...Would it be easy to make everyone happy?   If you gave everyone what they wanted, what state would the country be in ? ..   You got to think it is a massive role to take on.. You will have advisors and others to deliver facts and help you make the move...But I doubt that job would be easy ..  I know that Obama did in fact say that not everything will go according to plan, it is not that easy.. If I remember correctly, he said there will be tough times ahead..This do not excuse what has went wrong, I am not suggesting it does..  But I know it is a job role I would not want for love or money.. I know for a fact that no president can make everyone happy..   Heck if Obama did make everyone happy,  a few people will peg him the anti christ, saying silly things like - Well the anti christ is one who will make you all happy then he will unleash hell..

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[Uncle Sam]

ninjadude, on 28 January 2013 - 04:24 AM, said:

radio. how quaint. You actually listen to radio?



I see how. You are uneducated about Liberalism. I suggest you learn more. What you stated is hogwash.

http://www.goodreads...who-looks-ahead
http://www.democrats...tional-platform



do you have ANY idea how deep the recession hit in 2008? Based on these comments I would suggest not.
http://economix.blog...-job-changes-3/



we do NOT have a new health care system.



based on ranting conspiracy theories from talk radio?!! Please PLEASE. look outside of the bubble.

You always been a thorn in the side of people. I see you throughout multiple threads ruining your reputation, becoming labeled a liar and a person who is living in a bubble. Can't say anyone is trying to tear you down, you are tearing yourself down before everyone, without them even have to bring in any facts. Nice Job!

[preacherman76]

Beckys_Mom, on 27 January 2013 - 01:47 PM, said:

Basically you are saying that what he has done, has hurt you and created more worry for you and your kids growing up.. Then yes I can see why you would feel angry, it is natural, I know I would if I felt the same way.. ..A lot of people will disagree and think anger is a choice  but it's not, it is natural.. If you didn't choose to feel hurt or saddened by his actions, nor did you choose to feel worried for your kids growing up, so what you felt was natural, including anger... How you choose to deal with it is a different matter...

In ref to hating ...For  example - If I hated everything you stood for and all that you did, then I would hate you as a person... Because, everything that you stood for and all that you believed in, is what builds you up as the person you are.. if you took all that away, then it would be pointless hating you..That was just a made up example, I don't hold any hate for you, but you can hopefully see from that example what I mean....It would be no different if I felt you were a kind hearted person, who did all things nice, and I liked all you stood for, if you removed all of that, then who are you as a person?  I would like you as a person because of those things ...

I must strongly note -  I am not here to tell you that you are wrong to hate or show anger....I have had arguments with a number of religious people telling me it is wrong to hate and show anger.. Some are happy to point out that Jesus says anger is wrong and can lead to murder..  I do not agree with that, I believe anger and hate is a natural part of life...We will naturally feel it, but dealing with it is different, it is up to us how we do that..each to their own

Let me ask you a few questions...

Do you think that if you were to keep posting your anger and hate for someone constantly on line  ( in a blog, forum or whatever )  would this help you feel better and become more at ease?

No it doesnt make me feel better. The reason I continue to expose the truth about this man is cause information is a powerful tool. I believe its at least possible to stop tyrannical leaders, once enough people wake up to what has been happening around them. They get away with alot, simply cause there isnt enough people standing up and saying no more.

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OR  Would it make you become more obsessed with anger and hate for that person, and it drives you to more extreme measures that you wind up looking worse or no different from those groups who are forever hating, and they became most hated?

Well Im a strict believer that vengance belongs to the Lord alone. Aside from the war on information, I will never take a offensive stance. I will never be the agressor. If there ever comes a day where my hand hurts another, it will be cause they tryed to tread on me. And even if I somehow win such a confrontation, it will be a very sad day for me.

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Another thing - If someone came  to you and told you the felt so much anger and hate for a certain person .. They claimed they hated all that person stood for, and what the person did, hurt them.. What advice would you give this person? I would like to hear what you would do and say in this situation?

Well if they were a brother or sister in Christ I would tell them to trust in the Lord. Even if they were not, I would at least try to tell them to find peace. If the person who hurt them continues to hurt them, and has some type of authority over them, I would tell them, or help them to find a way to free them from such a person.

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Was this in real life?  Or on the internet?   I don't know what you said or done to have people see you as a hateful racist  ( as you mentioned above ) ..I just hope for your kids sake it was not in real life.. People can be cruel and make life hard for those they brand a hater in real life, and make it hard for their kids too..  I have seen it happen from time to time.. It's the kids I feel sorry for

The media is the quilty party here. They had said over and over that anyone who disagree's with anything from 0bama is a hateful racist. Then the sheep followed tune and expressed the same thing on line. I would never have a unnesessary blow out with another grown person in front of my children. I hope you know me enough to know that. No in real life I tend to surround my self with like minded folks. Not that I seek out such people, but it just kinda turns out that way. The more you have in common with someone, the better chance you will find a friend in that person.

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[joc]

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Remember, if you are to lower tax for so many people,  that is money from the government that has to go, but needs to be made up from other sources..No government can lower taxes without loosing money .It has to be made up... What steps do you think need to be taken for that to go smoothly as you promised ?  Who will get effected and at what cost?....  Where would you find the money to make up for the tax cuts you were looking to make?  There is so much to look at and see what can be done that will not cause more trouble   That is just one example, there are so many things you would have to look at and see how you can straighten out ..

You are making a big mistake here.  The mistake is two-fold actually.  First, WE DON'T HAVE ANY FREAKING MONEY TO PAY FOR THE SERVICES PEOPLE ARE GETTING NOW!  Phew...forgive me for screaming....
Second...when you lower taxes, people have more money to spend, more money to save, more money to invest.
The real mistake you are making in the above has to do with the mindset that all of the money belongs to Government...it doesn't.  It belongs to the people and the Government confiscates it.
What is the difference between me putting a gun in your face and saying give me $1000;  then I take it from you and give it to your neighbors and what the Government does.
Obama isn't THE problem.   He is the end result of THE problem.  THE problem is a population that is fat, lazy and evermore stupid.  Ours...not yours!

[Beckys_Mom]

joc, on 28 January 2013 - 01:35 PM, said:

You are making a big mistake here.  The mistake is two-fold actually.  First, WE DON'T HAVE ANY FREAKING MONEY TO PAY FOR THE SERVICES PEOPLE ARE GETTING NOW!  Phew...forgive me for screaming....

Instead of screaming.. Tell me from the post below  what part of - This is an example  actually escaped you?   take an another look ..

Beckys_Mom, on 28 January 2013 - 10:39 AM, said:

Let me ask you something.. Picture you as the president.. For example..  If you wanted to lower taxes for IE those who are earning under $80,000 a year, which accounts for millions of people
( remember it is an example ) How would you go about doing that without messing other things up for others?
Remember, if you are to lower tax for so many people,  that is money from the government that has to go, but needs to be made up from other sources..No government can lower taxes without loosing money .It has to be made up... What steps do you think need to be taken for that to go smoothly as you promised ?  Who will get effected and at what cost?....  Where would you find the money to make up for the tax cuts you were looking to make?  There is so much to look at and see what can be done that will not cause more trouble   That is just one example, there are so many things you would have to look at and see how you can straighten out ..

I have now laid the emphasis on the fact it was just a hypothetical example made up.. It was not in any way trying to state something that can be done...  Surely by now you should know that when someone makes up an example it should be treated as hypothetical ?   You are not the president and that is not a real situation for you, again I must stress it was just made up.... The task was to see how you would deal with things IF you made a promise ( in the hypothetical sense )  of your own as the president.. All I get is you screaming like a mad person over something that is just a made up example.. Screamed at for petes sake?  .. Next time you wish to challenge me, cut the screaming nonsense out and try and understand simple - Examples can be hypothetical..And it was clear my example was made up as hypothetical ........ As for making a big mistake. looks to me like you went to do just that by ignoring the fact it was a made up example..  

From seeing how you lack greatly on what is hypothetical and you scream at me like it is true...  I see no point in addressing anything more you have to say, because clearly you just don't get it..   Anyone else who did understand it was hypothetical  would say - Well If I where the president and I  made such a promise I would have to  blah blah .. ..

Edited by Beckys_Mom, 28 January 2013 - 03:02 PM.

[F3SS]

Uncle Sam, on 28 January 2013 - 10:39 AM, said:

You always been a thorn in the side of people. I see you throughout multiple threads ruining your reputation, becoming labeled a liar and a person who is living in a bubble. Can't say anyone is trying to tear you down, you are tearing yourself down before everyone, without them even have to bring in any facts. Nice Job!

At the same time though reacting to posters like ninja helps us get our pov's across. If we all agreed on everything we'd do nothing but click the like button and few things would be said. Yes he has a disturbing pov but he's not the only one out there like that and it's good to know who you are up against in the battle for the future of this country.

[Beckys_Mom]

preacherman76, on 28 January 2013 - 01:08 PM, said:

No it doesnt make me feel better. The reason I continue to expose the truth about this man is cause information is a powerful tool. I believe its at least possible to stop tyrannical leaders, once enough people wake up to what has been happening around them. They get away with alot, simply cause there isnt enough people standing up and saying no more.

You are correct it doesn't and will not ever make you feel better, but at times anger is something we tend to unleash..We are not perfect.
Just to add something different .-  Do you think that it is right  ( for example ) If people who hate this man, to use what they read from the media on line, and it could be fake news, but because of their hate, they are willing to believe any old clap trap they read, due to holding so much hate to begin with....Is it right to do that?  OR is it more sensible to at least look and check facts first before adding more to their hate ?

You could say the same about anyone...It doesn't have to be Obama..  What I  am trying to say to you is - Is it right for anyone who has so much hate for a single person, to go ahead and believe any stories that are negative about that person regardless if they are fake or not ?  Do you really think that is the right way to be ?

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Well if they were a brother or sister in Christ I would tell them to trust in the Lord. Even if they were not, I would at least try to tell them to find peace. If the person who hurt them continues to hurt them, and has some type of authority over them, I would tell them, or help them to find a way to free them from such a person.   

Would that be because you would feel that holding on to the hate is not healthy or good for them.. You would rather they found peace ?

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The media is the quilty party here.

And it doesn't stop people from using the media to put out whatever they want people to believe...  And further more, many who dislike the media, forget themselves and wind up cherry picking what they want to believe the media says about certain folks they hate... Its a case of  ( for many people )  I don't like the media, but if they publish something  I want to hear, then its hunky dory ..

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They had said over and over that anyone who disagree's with anything from 0bama is a hateful racist.   

The news ( on TV )  is all I would pay attention to...And I haven't heard that before...

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   Then the sheep followed tune

Politics and religion have a lot in common ...To me it points to human nature..

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I hope you know me enough to know that. No in real life I tend to surround my self with like minded folks. Not that I seek out such people, but it just kinda turns out that way. The more you have in common with someone, the better chance you will find a friend in that person.   

I agree with that.......Please read the rest in full before you respond if you wish to...The reason why I questioned you, is because the emotions you were constantly expressing, I thought - That doesn't sound like the preacherman I know and like on the other boards.. So I asked myself, what possible cause has happened for him to feel so badly? ....... I always saw you as someone true to the faith so much you would not allow yourself to get in such a state  ( bare in mind I am not saying you are not true to the faith you have ) .... That you are the type of guy who would  ( like you said previously ) you would help others who felt the same way ..You noted how you would give advice and do what you could to help them..But before you go to say anything, I need to point out that, you are only human, and when things in life you feel that are important to you  ( like your rights and freedom ) are threatened, then naturally you will get annoyed and feel sad by it, and it can bring out the worst in anyone at times.. This Preacherman is very much understandable..    ..IF I didn't know of you, and all I read were your angry posts on this end of the board, then I would think, he is an angry person.. BUT because I know more of you, I don't think that.. Can you see where I am coming from? So again I must point out and lay the emphasis on - What you go through, the emotions you feel are very understandable, so many like you, and  I am sure you all hate feeling like that..   I just hope someday you all find something to help you feel better..You are a likeable easy going person..

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Beckys_Mom, on 28 January 2013 - 03:01 PM, said:

Instead of screaming.. Tell me from the post below  what part of - This is an example  actually escaped you?   take an another look ..



I have now laid the emphasis on the fact it was just a hypothetical example made up.. It was not in any way trying to state something that can be done...  Surely by now you should know that when someone makes up an example it should be treated as hypothetical ?   You are not the president and that is not a real situation for you, again I must stress it was just made up.... The task was to see how you would deal with things IF you made a promise ( in the hypothetical sense )  of your own as the president.. All I get is you screaming like a mad person over something that is just a made up example.. Screamed at for petes sake?  .. Next time you wish to challenge me, cut the screaming nonsense out and try and understand simple - Examples can be hypothetical..And it was clear my example was made up as hypothetical ........ As for making a big mistake. looks to me like you went to do just that by ignoring the fact it was a made up example..  

From seeing how you lack greatly on what is hypothetical and you scream at me like it is true...  I see no point in addressing anything more you have to say, because clearly you just don't get it..   Anyone else who did understand it was hypothetical  would say - Well If I where the president and I  made such a promise I would have to  blah blah .. ..

I think you're making too much of his post. JOC is a bit of an exclamatory character but he makes good points. Government doesn't need all the money they get. They waste a majority of it. Instead of looking at it as other people getting screwed, Americans that is, there are a great many things we could eliminate such as financially aiding our enemies such as giving 20 F-16 fighter jets to the Muslim Brotherhood of Egypt and teaching South African men how to wash their genitals to the tune of $800,000 and so much more.
And he's also right about the fact that more money in the people's hands would always be better spent in the hands of the people and does far more for economic growth. Take the stimulus for example. It was nearly $1 trillion and it's effects were arguably non-existent or mediocre at best. I have laid out several times before on UM that if instead of the government doling out all that money towards pet projects and failed green energy companies that money could have been evenly distributed to every tax paying citizen to the tune of around $5,000 or around $2,500 if it were given to every single American citizen. Imagine all the good that would be done for the economy if everybody suddenly had that much extra cash to spend. Far better things than the government did.
Lastly, JOC isn't ready to be president. After the election he formed a third party with some UMers. He was the head, he named me Secretary of Treasury and Michelle Defense secretary. Soon after he went into hiding for a while and I only seen him hanging out in the goofy forums like the one telling everybody how much he loved them.

Edited by -Mr_Fess-, 28 January 2013 - 03:46 PM.

[Beckys_Mom]

-Mr_Fess-, on 28 January 2013 - 03:44 PM, said:

I think you're making too much of his post. JOC is a bit of an exclamatory character but he makes good points.

You think I am making too much of a post that was screaming at me is too much ??   Not in this case he doesn't and you seem to lack understanding.too...  This is not about what is really going on with the government... It was just made up as a hypothetical example IF in the case he was the president and he made a promise to cut taxes...  Made up.. Not based on real life..   The best part about this is, you and two other failed to see this..  In no way was I basing any of it on reality..  hence the reason for it being hypothetical... And screaming  at me is not going to make me listen...

Is it really hard to understand that people can and do make up hypothetical and not base it on reality?   Why is that hard to grasp?  

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   Lastly, JOC isn't ready to be president.     

Darn it, there was  me thinking he was ...sigh   I know he isn't that is why it was made up hypothetical  ( pretend ) situation ..IF he was president and IF he made a promise ( one that I made up myself ) . Nothing was real.. Holy crackers..lol

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Beckys_Mom, on 28 January 2013 - 03:57 PM, said:

You think I am making too much of a post that was screaming at me is too much ??   Not in this case he doesn't and you seem to lack understanding.too...  This is not about what is really going on with the government... It was just made up as a hypothetical example IF in the case he was the president and he made a promise to cut taxes...  Made up.. Not based on real life..   The best part about this is, you and two other failed to see this..  In no way was I basing any of it on reality..  hence the reason for it being hypothetical... And screaming  at me is not going to make me listen...

Is it really hard to understand that people can and do make up hypothetical and not base it on reality?   Why is that hard to grasp?  



Darn it, there was  me thinking he was ...sigh   I know he isn't that is why it was made up hypothetical  ( pretend ) situation ..IF he was president and IF he made a promise ( one that I made up myself ) . Nothing was real.. Holy crackers..lol

Yea holy crackers to you too, lol. He did ask for immediate forgiveness about the screaming. Besides, it's only text and politics brew passion and this is what you have to forward to if you want to keep visiting the political forums. Just sayin'. I get the hypothetical part but maybe I'm too much of a realist to give you what you're looking for. Aside from that if I were President and I made big promises that I actually kept and they didn't work out so well I would like to think I'd man up and be professional about it and humble myself and tell the country the what's and why's of how things went wrong. Same if I couldn't keep a promise. I would say that maybe I got ahead of myself and once I got behind my desk and seen things I was maybe unaware of that would impede on the course I'd hope to take I would once again like to think I'd tell the truth instead of beating around the bush or pushing something through that may not work out of pure stubbornness and self-righteousness. Honesty goes a long way but I'm being most hypothetical of all  talking about truth and honesty in politics. So that's all I got for ya there...

Edited by -Mr_Fess-, 28 January 2013 - 04:13 PM.

[Beckys_Mom]

-Mr_Fess-, on 28 January 2013 - 04:12 PM, said:

I get the hypothetical part but maybe I'm too much of a realist to give you what you're looking for.

Even as a realist, and most of us are, you should be able to understand what made up pretend hypothetical scenarios are.. They are not meant to lean on the reality.. I can understand that

It's kind of like saying to someone -  Pretend you are a superhero and you are in a certain situation with aliens.. what would you do?   The answer comes back - But I am not a superhero and I see no evidence for aliens,   .. Then they go on and on about other things in real life..   That tells me that they cannot understand the meaning of pretend / made up hypothetical example.. No imagination what so ever

I already know the government has not got the money to do what I suggested.. But my point was not to base it on that..Hence hypothetical examples made up..   I actually thought you personally would have seen what I was saying and how I was not basing it on reality..Being a realist is one thing, but being able to read and understand what people are trying to say is another.. It boils down to reading and comprehension  skills..

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Aside from that if I were President and I made big promises that I actually kept and they didn't work out so well I would like to think I'd man up and be professional about it and humble myself and tell the country the what's and why's of how things went wrong. Same if I couldn't keep a promise. I would say that maybe I got ahead of myself and once I got behind my desk and seen things I was maybe unaware of that would impede on the course I'd hope to take I would once again like to think I'd tell the truth instead of beating around the bush or pushing something through that may not work out of pure stubbornness and self-righteousness.   

This is the sort of answer I expected from joc...  I expected him to say  IF I did make such a promise I would have to do this and that..  Instead I got the complete opposite..and he got two likes for misunderstanding my point and going on about reality  lol

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Honesty goes a long way but I'm being most hypothetical of all  talking about truth and honesty in politics. So that's all I got for ya there...   

That is funny..Brilliant line if ever I read one on politics  

Edited by Beckys_Mom, 28 January 2013 - 04:56 PM.

[F3SS]

I like you but you can be exhausting. I have plenty of imagination. I just maybe take politics too seriously to play around. Also, I have plenty of reading and comprehension skills. I feel like what you're asking for is a homework assignment. That's fine and I did butt into yours and Jocs conversation. I'm all about conversing and exchanging ideas. I just have too much else on my mind to do any homework. I run a business and its consuming and I actually have to get back to business for a while. Don't take any offense. Maybe I'm just cranky or misjudging. I'll let you and Joc get back to it.

[preacherman76]

Beckys_Mom, on 28 January 2013 - 03:40 PM, said:

You are correct it doesn't and will not ever make you feel better, but at times anger is something we tend to unleash..We are not perfect.
Just to add something different .-  Do you think that it is right  ( for example ) If people who hate this man, to use what they read from the media on line, and it could be fake news, but because of their hate, they are willing to believe any old clap trap they read, due to holding so much hate to begin with....Is it right to do that?  OR is it more sensible to at least look and check facts first before adding more to their hate ?

Oh of course. Every time Ive read something or heard something that I just reacted to, with out finding all the info I could, I end up with egg on my face. It doesnt happen often, but it has happened. Though I do feel its important to meantion one thing. I have often seen people dismiss a certain news source cause they dont like what that source reports. Not because it isnt true, but because it doesnt go along with thier world view. Another thing is, when you begin to dig into who owns main stream media, and who finaces them, well lets just say you can run into a lot of conflicting interest type situations. Cause they are main stream, they shape alot of peoples opinnions. Often not in a truthful way.

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Would that be because you would feel that holding on to the hate is not healthy or good for them.. You would rather they found peace ?

No question. Even medical science would tell you the same, there is no denieing that. But at the same time, like you said, when someone, or something is threating your childrens chance to have at least what you had growing up, then that threat must be met with resistance.Now dont get me wrong BM, Id dont spend all day everyday consuming myself in regards to the coruption that infests our political system. I come here to inform, and be informed. And to blow off a little steam. What is happening to this country is no small matter. It can no longer be taken lightly. Even on a spiritual level. I will explain more later in this post.

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And it doesn't stop people from using the media to put out whatever they want people to believe...  And further more, many who dislike the media, forget themselves and wind up cherry picking what they want to believe the media says about certain folks they hate... Its a case of  ( for many people )  I don't like the media, but if they publish something  I want to hear, then its hunky dory ..

No argument here.

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The news ( on TV )  is all I would pay attention to...And I haven't heard that before...

Be thankful you didnt, cause it was ridiculas. One CNN reporter went as far as to say that socialism is the new N word. Another went up to a black person that was attending one of the tea parties and asked if he felt uncomfortable being there. There are tons of examples.

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I agree with that.......Please read the rest in full before you respond if you wish to...The reason why I questioned you, is because the emotions you were constantly expressing, I thought - That doesn't sound like the preacherman I know and like on the other boards.. So I asked myself, what possible cause has happened for him to feel so badly? ....... I always saw you as someone true to the faith so much you would not allow yourself to get in such a state  ( bare in mind I am not saying you are not true to the faith you have ) .... That you are the type of guy who would  ( like you said previously ) you would help others who felt the same way ..You noted how you would give advice and do what you could to help them..But before you go to say anything, I need to point out that, you are only human, and when things in life you feel that are important to you  ( like your rights and freedom ) are threatened, then naturally you will get annoyed and feel sad by it, and it can bring out the worst in anyone at times.. This Preacherman is very much understandable..    ..IF I didn't know of you, and all I read were your angry posts on this end of the board, then I would think, he is an angry person.. BUT because I know more of you, I don't think that.. Can you see where I am coming from? So again I must point out and lay the emphasis on - What you go through, the emotions you feel are very understandable, so many like you, and  I am sure you all hate feeling like that..   I just hope someday you all find something to help you feel better..You are a likeable easy going person..

Well I think the folks who were standing around the temple the day that Jesus came and saw him in anger turn over the money tables and chase the thiefs out might have said that he was an angry person as well, if thats all they ever saw of him. It doesnt make what he did wrong or unjust. This fight to me isnt just political but very much spiritual as well. I believe we live in the end of days the bible speaks about. According to it, the anti christ cant be revealed till the holy spirit is taken out of the way. That same holy spirit found in every true believer. That is what makes the believer, according to scripture, the salt and light of the world. Now obviously like you pointed out, I am just a man. So the way in which I do anything will be found flawed in his eyes.