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Posted 05 March 2013 - 12:02 AM

I'd also suspect that credited members of the media would've had to sign in somewhere as well.


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Posted 05 March 2013 - 02:00 PM

View PostTiggs, on 04 March 2013 - 10:19 PM, said:

No. I don't have any evidence what they were used for, at all, but I'm not the one making an extraordinary claim.


What makes you think they used either word?

I am taking LeftCoastGal's word for it, and I don't find it to be an extraordinary claim.  If it is true and accurate, it fits in completely with a FEMA exercise, and supports the one day changeup of the frequencies for the Connecticut authorities.  I've been listening to police scanners for 30 years.


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Posted 05 March 2013 - 04:47 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 05 March 2013 - 02:00 PM, said:

I am taking LeftCoastGal's word for it, and I don't find it to be an extraordinary claim.  If it is true and accurate, it fits in completely with a FEMA exercise, and supports the one day changeup of the frequencies for the Connecticut authorities.  I've been listening to police scanners for 30 years.
And, in your opinion, they wouldn't be using an Incident Command System because....?



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Posted 05 March 2013 - 09:39 PM

Because there was an scheduled incident taking place.   Namely a FEMA exercise, which happened to include some temporary changes to public use radio frequencies.


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Posted 05 March 2013 - 10:35 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 05 March 2013 - 09:39 PM, said:

Because there was an scheduled incident taking place.   Namely a FEMA exercise, which happened to include some temporary changes to public use radio frequencies.

Incident Command Systems are standard protocol during school shootings. See Columbine, for example.


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Posted 05 March 2013 - 11:06 PM

View PostLikely Guy, on 05 March 2013 - 12:02 AM, said:

I'd also suspect that credited members of the media would've had to sign in somewhere as well.
Why? They wouldn't be allowed on the crime scene anymore than an ordinary member of the public would.

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Incident Command Systems are standard protocol during school shootings. See Columbine, for example.
This doesn't seem to have any relevance to Babe Ruth's post.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 11:32 PM

Are some people really this conspiratorially bent?

Wow.


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Posted 06 March 2013 - 12:04 AM

View Postouija ouija, on 05 March 2013 - 11:06 PM, said:

This doesn't seem to have any relevance to Babe Ruth's post.
Incident Command Systems (ICS) are basically a widespread framework for multiple agencies to respond to a large single incident. Including school shootings.

It's fairly routine to allocate a different shared frequency to be used for communications for members of all agencies responding to a specific incident, in order to firstly improve inter-agency coordination and secondly, to clear the normal communications channels for any members of an involved agency not responding.

In short - multiple agencies changing to an unencrypted channel broadcast across a publicly accessible radio spectrum is evidence that an ICS is in place, and not a smoking gun that exclusively points towards a FEMA conspiracy being underway.

Also - call it a wild hunch - but I expect you'll find that actual conspirators tend to use private communications.


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Posted 06 March 2013 - 12:37 AM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 05 March 2013 - 09:39 PM, said:

Because there was an scheduled incident taking place.   Namely a FEMA exercise...

Yes, there was. Not actually an exercise per se, more like a 'class', twenty miles away. One of seven held in Connecticut that month.

http://www.ct.gov/de...=0&showTop=True

Edit: Oops, my bad. It was one of four, the others were DHS.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 01:48 PM

View PostTiggs, on 05 March 2013 - 10:35 PM, said:

Incident Command Systems are standard protocol during school shootings. See Columbine, for example.

Yes, I must admit that the Newtown incident was very well organized.  No mayhem, no freaking out.  Just a very well organized chorus line of 'participants' with very well organized scripts.  And even signs. :whistle:

Regarding the conversations on the police radio, I listened to no more than about 15 minutes worth, but the interesting part was how similar in style those conversations were to the conversations between Betty Ong with her dispatchers.  Both had a scripted quality.  Rather unnatural IMO.


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Posted 06 March 2013 - 04:50 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 06 March 2013 - 01:48 PM, said:

Yes, I must admit that the Newtown incident was very well organized.  No mayhem, no freaking out.  Just a very well organized chorus line of 'participants' with very well organized scripts.  And even signs. :whistle:
I believe that they've tried the custard pies, clown cars and chaos approach a couple of times in the past, but being organised, apparently, turns out to be much more efficient - which, again, apparently, turns out to be somewhat of an advantage if you're a trained professional in an emergency.

Who'd have guessed?


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Regarding the conversations on the police radio, I listened to no more than about 15 minutes worth, but the interesting part was how similar in style those conversations were to the conversations between Betty Ong with her dispatchers.  Both had a scripted quality.  Rather unnatural IMO.

Well, we can compare subjective non-expert opinions of 15 minutes or less of conversation if you like, but that won't actually change either of them from still being subjective non-expert opinions.


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Posted 06 March 2013 - 07:13 PM

Quite right Tiggs, and the entire speculative process could be ended perhaps, if only the authorities could provide some photographic evidence showing the Ninja Turtle Dude entering the premises.  Or anything else to corroborate the story.


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Posted 06 March 2013 - 07:57 PM

That makes me wonder, what Babe Ruth said, why don't they at least release photos of the walls and furniture etc. of the school with bullet holes in it? I can understand if they don't want to release photos of the bodies, but that would certainly put an end to a lot of CT I would think. It's the same thing with 9/11 (sorry not meaning to hijack the thread), where all the evidence was whisked away...I mean the steel girders were shipped post-haste to Asia...no wonder people wonder imo.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 08:10 PM

View PostGummug, on 06 March 2013 - 07:57 PM, said:

That makes me wonder, what Babe Ruth said, why don't they at least release photos of the walls and furniture etc. of the school with bullet holes in it? I can understand if they don't want to release photos of the bodies, but that would certainly put an end to a lot of CT I would think.

Not now. They've had more than enough time to fake a scene. Assuming it didn't happen, of course.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 08:34 PM

View PostSweetpumper, on 06 March 2013 - 08:10 PM, said:

Not now. They've had more than enough time to fake a scene. Assuming it didn't happen, of course.

If you believe the "everyone's an actor" version of the conspiracy - then even if it had all been live fed on television, we'd just be discussing conspiracy theories about they could have easily faked it prior to it not happening. Same as all of the "there were no actual planes on 9/11" conspiracies.

I confidently predict that the investigation will eventually release some pictures and possibly limited footage of the event. Not that it'll make a jot of difference to the CT crowd.


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