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[Tiggs]

ouija ouija, on 20 March 2013 - 09:47 PM, said:

Sorry to keep labouring this point, but surely when children are in school the teachers, as representatives of the state, have a duty of care to the children, they are in loco parentis? The children are literally in their custody, they make decisions as to where the children can go in the building and who they can go with; if there is an emergency they decide what action to take regarding the children   ...... if I was a lawyer I would have a good go at making that interpretation of 'custody' in a court of law! At the very least, that paragraph has been rather sloppily worded.  It only says 'custody' not 'legal custody'.

The letter from the Coroner refers to Connecticut General Statute 19a 411 b.

The relevant text is:

As used in this section, a "person in the custody of the state" is a person committed to the custody of (1) the Commissioner of Correction for confinement in a correctional institution or facility or a community residence, (2) the Commissioner of Children and Families, or (3) the Commissioner of Developmental Services.

Edited by Tiggs, 20 March 2013 - 10:11 PM.
Corrected reference to the statute.

[Tiggs]

AsteroidX, on 20 March 2013 - 09:51 PM, said:

Thats a grizzly thought. But yes I agree. But were ALL of them ? Was the shooter ?

Obviously not, as three were rushed to Danbury hospital.

Not sure about the shooter, though they did use DNA tests to confirm his identity. That kind of suggests that it wasn't particularly possible to identify him from his face.

[AsteroidX]

Thats why its a conspiracy Tiggs because the first responder said she was not allowed to go in. These are the questions a transparent Govmnt would answer in such an event. Did the LEO's remove them ? Was there other responders that did go in. Thats pretty harmless information. There is protocol for these situations and Connecticut had them in place and going during the event.

[Tiggs]

AsteroidX, on 20 March 2013 - 10:26 PM, said:

Thats why its a conspiracy Tiggs because the first responder said she was not allowed to go in.

I'm sure that not every medical person who arrived was allowed access to the crime scene.

[Kowalski]

My sister is a paramedic and mother was a paramedic before she started to work as an RN.
I was under the impression that EMT's or first responders were not qualified to say whether a person was dead or not. You have to wait for a JP or doctor to declare them dead.

[AsteroidX]

I can certainly concede that. We just have not have heard of any that did as well.

There is a video posted up that shows a ready triage area that was unused. So there was personnel there ready to make every effort to aid any that could be helped. children have a much better survival rate once CPR is started then not.

I mean I live in the town Kip Kinkle did his school shooting and there was one girl that survived after taking a critical head wound and spent years recovering. Had she been left she would be dead but it was due to the excellent first responder care and Emergency Room and surgical services she received in that first response that saved her life. I cannot remember if she was ever "dead" but if my aged memory serves me correct more then one child at that shooting required CPR on the way to the hospital. These were High School kids so yeah a but better odds then youngins but the effort to save them made a difference.

[AsteroidX]

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My sister is a paramedic and mother was a paramedic before she started to work as an RN.
I was under the impression that EMT's or first responders were not qualified to say whether a person was dead or not. You have to wait for a JP or doctor to declare them dead.

I use to be a RN and yes EMT/Paramedics have to call a MD to call a code off. RN's only have to notify the MD that someones expired. The Connecticut Law is the same.

[The Silver Thong]

AsteroidX, on 20 March 2013 - 06:30 AM, said:

Describes standard of care for medical teams responding to disasters under Connecticut Law and adds a giant red flag about the medical examiner:

Go to 5:40 of the video. How did she know the exact number of dead if she wasn`t allowed to even go in. She said 20 parents a slip in the acting. It was 20 kids. Did she guess 20 parents as that does not work either.

Edited by The Silver Thong, 21 March 2013 - 02:21 AM.

[The Silver Thong]

AsteroidX, on 20 March 2013 - 06:45 PM, said:

No No. There just mirrors. Docs=Documentaries. The our/we is referring to the CT'ers. I guess Ive jumped off the fence on this one. The $3500 is from another persons video that has some bluescreen evidence he was trying to get analyzed. The authors are either other mirrors or the original authors in some cases.

Minus the Benny Hill tune watch from 9:51 on.  Not one emergancy vehical had a way out to transport any victim if a pulse was found on any of the 26 victims. Let alone the legal standards stated earlier.  This was a side show. 6 ambulances not one used and no where for them to go.

Edited by The Silver Thong, 21 March 2013 - 02:50 AM.

[Tiggs]

AsteroidX, on 20 March 2013 - 10:48 PM, said:

I can certainly concede that. We just have not have heard of any that did as well.

Then you haven't read this article from the Washington Post:


Dozens of units from several jurisdictions would follow, barreling up Dickinson Drive toward the school, where the initial report indicated an active threat and multiple casualties. But the reality that greeted most first responders was confounding: There were people to evacuate but none to save.

Triage tarps were laid out in the parking lot anyway.

EMTs and firefighters stood like sentinels outside the school, waiting to be useful, even after a paramedic exited the building and told Chief Halstead that everybody who was still inside would not be coming out.

[The Silver Thong]

Tiggs, on 21 March 2013 - 02:55 AM, said:

Then you haven't read this article from the Washington Post:


Dozens of units from several jurisdictions would follow, barreling up Dickinson Drive toward the school, where the initial report indicated an active threat and multiple casualties. But the reality that greeted most first responders was confounding: There were people to evacuate but none to save.

Triage tarps were laid out in the parking lot anyway.

EMTs and firefighters stood like sentinels outside the school, waiting to be useful, e building and told Chief Halstead that everybody who was still inside would not be coming out.even after a paramedic exited th

What you bolded is a pretty significant picture as one parimedic so called stated this. How did he or she know that for a fact. Coma, extreme blood loss can simulate death. As was posted it could not have been stated there were none to be saved if all those procedures were taken unless they were decapitated.  The killer must have put way more than 2 bullets in every victim as claimed.

[Tiggs]

The Silver Thong, on 21 March 2013 - 03:04 AM, said:

As was posted it could not have been stated there were none to be saved if all those procedures were taken unless they were decapitated.

The video AsteroidX posted earlier? That quotes directly from this document - which, as it's title clearly states, details the procedure for determination of Death for Adults age 18 and over in non-mass casualty situations.

You may notice some potential issues with using that to guide expectations in this particular case.

[The Silver Thong]

Tiggs, on 21 March 2013 - 03:58 AM, said:

The video AsteroidX posted earlier? That quotes directly from this document - which, as it's title clearly states, details the procedure for determination of Death for Adults age 18 and over in non-mass casualty situations.

You may notice some potential issues with using that to guide expectations in this particular case.

By saying that you may as well state that every gun shot every death was identical to the next and that is imposible. Not one kid was hit in the gut and grazzed in the head. You are only being told that they all were doa with nothing much more to state that.

Edited by The Silver Thong, 21 March 2013 - 04:17 AM.

[ozman]

http://fellowshipofm...s-the-massacre/

Here is another one.

[The Silver Thong]

ozman, on 21 March 2013 - 04:28 AM, said:

http://fellowshipofm...s-the-massacre/

Here is another one.

Ummm cumputer error or human error does it matter, it`s both and this SandyHook thing is so fubard it`s hard to understand a further investigation has not been had. It`s a none issue now given the bs feed out to us. I want to find the criminal responsible