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Who does Antarctica belong to?

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#1    Still Waters

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 01:43 PM

For half a century the question of who owns Antarctica has been frozen but it is showing signs of warming up.

This week the Chilean president made his third visit to the continent, where he placed a flag where Chile's latest research station will be opened.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...onment-21054986

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 01:44 PM

The penguins.


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Posted 17 January 2013 - 02:13 PM

Shoggoths.  The penguins are food for them.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 02:17 PM

No one, It's a haven for research; god forbid humans start populating it and defrosting it to make way for missile testing zones so summat.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 02:20 PM

Now why in the heck would man want to claim ownership of something he can not even live on when he already has his own country? it belongs to nature. the penguins and seals...

lets see if the world leaders tell Chile that they can not do claim ownership, or maybe the "research" being carried out will involve many other countries too!!

Edited by freetoroam, 17 January 2013 - 02:22 PM.

In an ideal World a law would be passed were NO guns were allowed and all those out there destroyed, trouble is the law makers are not going to take a risk of trying to pass that without making sure they are armed first.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 02:46 PM

The Antarctica Treaty mentioned in the video bans military activity there, but allows freedom of scientific investigations.  There are currently 50 members, including Chile.

The treaty also does not recognize, dispute or establishes claims.  Some countries made claims prior to the treaty, Chile being one, but the treaty also states no new claims shall be asserted.  These claims are not recognized by the other non-claiming countries.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 02:54 PM

View PostInsanity, on 17 January 2013 - 02:46 PM, said:

The Antarctica Treaty mentioned in the video bans military activity there, but allows freedom of scientific investigations.  There are currently 50 members, including Chile.

The treaty also does not recognize, dispute or establishes claims.  Some countries made claims prior to the treaty, Chile being one, but the treaty also states no new claims shall be asserted.  These claims are not recognized by the other non-claiming countries.
Even the treaty is a form of claim, claiming that man can go there and do investigations. Scientific investigations can amount to anything these days if they are being paid enough.

In an ideal World a law would be passed were NO guns were allowed and all those out there destroyed, trouble is the law makers are not going to take a risk of trying to pass that without making sure they are armed first.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 03:05 PM

By claims it is meant of territorial sovereignty claims.
Just stating what the treaty has.

http://www.nsf.gov/od/opp/antarct/anttrty.jsp


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Posted 17 January 2013 - 03:12 PM

View PostInsanity, on 17 January 2013 - 03:05 PM, said:

By claims it is meant of territorial sovereignty claims.
Just stating what the treaty has.

http://www.nsf.gov/od/opp/antarct/anttrty.jsp
i know you were just stating it, and i am pleased you did because it highlights mans hypocrisy. Guaranteed that if one of those "scientists' discovered something worthy to man, there would soon be a rush to who has claim.

In an ideal World a law would be passed were NO guns were allowed and all those out there destroyed, trouble is the law makers are not going to take a risk of trying to pass that without making sure they are armed first.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 03:14 PM

View Postfreetoroam, on 17 January 2013 - 02:20 PM, said:

Now why in the heck would man want to claim ownership of something he can not even live on when he already has his own country? it belongs to nature. the penguins and seals...

lets see if the world leaders tell Chile that they can not do claim ownership, or maybe the "research" being carried out will involve many other countries too!!

The reason that nations would claim it is because there are trillions of dollars of minerals and oil underneath the soil.
The climate is changing and ice is melting.  Eventually it will be ice free and it will be unexplored and   the real estate will be claimed by the strongest, just like always.

The South Pole also has some unusual characteristics with electronic waves that don't exist else where.  There are many sites that have been blurred out by Google. There must be a good reason.  

Check out  a map of the Antarctic. Many nations have laid claims to the real estate, not just the US.


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Posted 17 January 2013 - 03:19 PM

View PostDallasCowboysFan, on 17 January 2013 - 03:14 PM, said:

The reason that nations would claim it is because there are trillions of dollars of minerals and oil underneath the soil.
The climate is changing and ice is melting.  Eventually it will be ice free and it will be unexplored and   the real estate will be claimed by the strongest, just like always.

The South Pole also has some unusual characteristics with electronic waves that don't exist else where.  There are many sites that have been blurred out by Google. There must be a good reason.  

Check out  a map of the Antarctic. Many nations have laid claims to the real estate, not just the US.
Thankyou, exactly.

In an ideal World a law would be passed were NO guns were allowed and all those out there destroyed, trouble is the law makers are not going to take a risk of trying to pass that without making sure they are armed first.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 03:44 PM

View Postfreetoroam, on 17 January 2013 - 03:12 PM, said:

i know you were just stating it, and i am pleased you did because it highlights mans hypocrisy. Guaranteed that if one of those "scientists' discovered something worthy to man, there would soon be a rush to who has claim.

I would not be surprised by this either.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 06:24 PM

It belongs to me.


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Posted 17 January 2013 - 06:29 PM

View PostDallasCowboysFan, on 17 January 2013 - 03:14 PM, said:

The reason that nations would claim it is because there are trillions of dollars of minerals and oil underneath the soil.
The climate is changing and ice is melting.  Eventually it will be ice free and it will be unexplored and   the real estate will be claimed by the strongest, just like always.

The South Pole also has some unusual characteristics with electronic waves that don't exist else where.  There are many sites that have been blurred out by Google. There must be a good reason.  

Check out  a map of the Antarctic. Many nations have laid claims to the real estate, not just the US.
  Your right let them find oil or something else of value with the ice melting and there will be many claims to this place.  With global warming someday the pole areas may be the only place left that isn't too hot to live.


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Posted 17 January 2013 - 06:41 PM

View PostHilander, on 17 January 2013 - 06:29 PM, said:

Your right let them find oil or something else of value with the ice melting and there will be many claims to this place.  With global warming someday the pole areas may be the only place left that isn't too hot to live.

Actually, looking a bit more, seems all exploitation of mineral resources is banned until 2048 by the Protocol on Environmental Protection to the Antarctic Treaty, when the treaty is up for review.

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