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#16    Yamato

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 08:33 AM

View PostLord Vetinari, on 21 January 2013 - 08:22 AM, said:

how do you mean? Praise of the French for (potentially) making the same mistake as Bush & Blair would be loved? What does what the French do have to do with neocons and Dems?
Well what do the French have to do with Freedom Fries for that matter?

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 09:03 AM

View PostYamato, on 21 January 2013 - 08:33 AM, said:

Well what do the French have to do with Freedom Fries for that matter?
i think the sentiment was that the French were standing up for Freedom, wasn't it?

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 09:22 AM

View PostLord Vetinari, on 21 January 2013 - 09:03 AM, said:

i think the sentiment was that the French were standing up for Freedom, wasn't it?
Which brings us to the connection with the neocons.   The neocon sentiment was that the French were not being helpful, that's why their name was stripped from our food.   These were neocons who changed the name on the DC menus.   Avid supporters of the Iraq war post-9/11.  At least until one got busted and the other had an epiphany of the truth.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 04:05 PM

View PostI believe you, on 18 January 2013 - 09:12 PM, said:

Remember Freedom Fries? The neo-cons who hated our French allies so much they renamed French fries? I believe they owe the French an apology after watching their actions against Islamic radlcalism.

I also propose in honor of the French and their noble actions that we rename them back to Freedom Fries! This time in honor of the French and their fight for Freedom.

You know fellow Americans we are not the only ones fighting terrorism. So are Russia, China, and a host of others. In the end the major powers also have to decide how to treat their previous colonies.

Terrorism is a unique feature of post-colonialism. It is began by lack of jobs and access to brides. That will always lead to war, in every nation, return their economy, quit allowing dictators of your choosing to rule and quit calling popular elected leaders dictators because you disagree with the will of their people, support the people when they rise, and after when they take power, do it in your own country too, quit pretending Iran, China, or Russia is the sole problem in the world when we are one too.
Oh yes the noble french military, defending french companies rights to profit in african countries.  Get real.


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Posted 28 January 2013 - 04:10 PM

View PostAtentutankh-pasheri, on 19 January 2013 - 10:19 AM, said:

Edit so add that you say "War on terror" was used as excuse, so, when did "war on terror" start, and what are dates for first and second Chechen war?
The war on terror actually started in 1986 when terrorist bombed a barracks full of US marines in beruit.


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Posted 28 January 2013 - 05:20 PM

View PostOverSword, on 28 January 2013 - 04:10 PM, said:

The war on terror actually started in 1986 when terrorist bombed a barracks full of US marines in beruit.

And that kid plays a first person shooter with baseball bats?

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 05:24 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 28 January 2013 - 05:20 PM, said:

And that kid plays a first person shooter with baseball bats?

Why did this get here?

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 06:17 PM

View PostOverSword, on 28 January 2013 - 04:10 PM, said:

The war on terror actually started in 1986 when terrorist bombed a barracks full of US marines in beruit.
Rather US centric...... In 1985 4 Soviet diplomats were held hostage by Islamist terrorists in Beirut. Situation succesfully  liquidated by Alpha Group using "extreme predudice"


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Posted 28 January 2013 - 06:49 PM

View PostAtentutankh-pasheri, on 28 January 2013 - 06:17 PM, said:

Rather US centric...... In 1985 4 Soviet diplomats were held hostage by Islamist terrorists in Beirut. Situation succesfully  liquidated by Alpha Group using "extreme predudice"
So either way the  war on terror precedes both chechan wars.

Edit for, you sound like Lt. Checkov of Star Trek always outdoing America feats with prior Russian feats. :yes:   Next tell me which Russian sci-fi TV program did what star trek did only better and the sereotype is complete :tsu:

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 07:42 PM

View PostOverSword, on 28 January 2013 - 06:49 PM, said:

So either way the  war on terror precedes both chechan wars.

Edit for, you sound like Lt. Checkov of Star Trek always outdoing America feats with prior Russian feats. :yes:   Next tell me which Russian sci-fi TV program did what star trek did only better and the sereotype is complete :tsu:
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Besides, without Tsiolkovskiy there would never have been Roddenbury imagining what he did, or Von Braun........


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Posted 28 January 2013 - 08:06 PM

View PostOverSword, on 28 January 2013 - 04:10 PM, said:

The war on terror actually started in 1986 when terrorist bombed a barracks full of US marines in beruit.

In 1986 Bin Laden was our ally.

The "War on Terror" is a phrase first mentioned by GW Bush in September 2001.

Terrorism has existed but there was never a "War on Terror" in the '80s especially when the Cold War was still occuring.

Some would more accurately claim the War on Terror began in the 1990s. Al-Qaeda itself was formed at the very end of the '80s and began operations against us in the '90s.

View PostOverSword, on 28 January 2013 - 04:05 PM, said:

Oh yes the noble french military, defending french companies rights to profit in african countries.  Get real.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 08:55 PM

Well, I see that they've scored a resounding victory, adding a new page to the history of French military successes, which must be the first since  ........

And now, apparently, they're marching on Timbuctu.
I do hope this won't end in tears.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:39 AM

View PostLord Vetinari, on 28 January 2013 - 08:55 PM, said:

Well, I see that they've scored a resounding victory, adding a new page to the history of French military successes, which must be the first since  ........

And now, apparently, they're marching on Timbuctu.
I do hope this won't end in tears.
It's almost guaranteed to if they over reach.  The  Islamists are just falling back now and blending into the country side.  Same old problem as any insurgency.  The west/French should help train the Malian military - though I think the US already attempted this - and provide support but if they aren't going to live as dhimmi slaves to this ideology they will have to be willing to defeat it themselves.  Cliche but true - freedom isn't free.  The best the west can hope to do in future is to wait for the infestation to form and show itself then burn it out - over and over.  Sad but true.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:45 AM

View PostI believe you, on 18 January 2013 - 09:12 PM, said:

Remember Freedom Fries? The neo-cons who hated our French allies so much they renamed French fries? I believe they owe the French an apology after watching their actions against Islamic radlcalism.

I also propose in honor of the French and their noble actions that we rename them back to Freedom Fries! This time in honor of the French and their fight for Freedom.

You know fellow Americans we are not the only ones fighting terrorism. So are Russia, China, and a host of others. In the end the major powers also have to decide how to treat their previous colonies.

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Sorry I have to disagree.

All the worlds terrorists (at this point in history) are being motivated by the Palastine - Israel issues. Wars on terror are pointless as they dont deal with that core issue. The only way to resolve it is the creation of a new state or war until one side is ejected from their land.

There is a third possibility and that is the Messiah that correctly matches up to requirements dictated by the Bible, Quran and Torah as he would unify all three faiths.


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Posted 29 January 2013 - 01:13 AM

I condemn the French for not caring until it is there proxy state.





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