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[Br Cornelius]

TheLastLazyGun, on 28 January 2013 - 04:10 PM, said:

Yet the French see it as okay to attack Britain's financial sector and the City of London.

The CAP feeds people, the City destroys livelyhoods. Why would we protect the city when it has been the ruin of the greater British Economy.
Last time I looked it was the main cause of the financial collapse and the ongoing fraud in the fianacial sector.

Are you a banker by any chance.

Br Cornelius

Edited by Br Cornelius, 28 January 2013 - 04:40 PM.

[TheLastLazyGun]

Br Cornelius, on 28 January 2013 - 04:38 PM, said:

The CAP feeds people

The CAP gives more money to inefficient and extremely rich French farmers than the amount that is given to poor African farmers.  It's disgusting and I don't want my money to contribute to it any longer.  My hatred for the CAP - which accounts for 40% of the EUSSR's total spending - grows larger whenever I picture those smug but inefficient French farmers on that BBC documentary a few years ago who were cockily and sarcastically thanking the British taxpaying mugs who fund their extravagant lifestyles of fast sports cars and holidays in Marseille, whilst the British taxpayer gives less money to starving farmers in the Third World.

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Why would we protect the city

Because the City of London accounts for 2.4% of the UK's GDP and we have every right to defend it.  We'd never hear the end of it were the British out to destroy such a large sector of the French economy.

Edited by TheLastLazyGun, 28 January 2013 - 06:55 PM.

[TheLastLazyGun]

shaddow134, on 28 January 2013 - 04:21 PM, said:

Considering China is expected to grow by 8% in 2013.

Meanwhile, it is forecast that the GDP of the Eurozone (which, mercifully, Britain isn't a part of) is to shrink by 0.5% this year.

[stevewinn]

TheLastLazyGun, on 28 January 2013 - 06:56 PM, said:

Meanwhile, it is forecast that the GDP of the Eurozone (which, mercifully, Britain isn't a part of) is to shrink by 0.5% this year.

they say - the experts that the euro zone will take 10 years to turn things around, how different will the EU/Eurozone look in ten years time. Greece is actually in a depression and has been for the last 6 years.   this is the mess the prosperous members have to fix and are expected to fix. - that is one of the main reasons we should leave ASAP. let the likes of Germany, France hand over their tax payers money time and time again. they'll soon get fed up. look at the eurozone members. its going to take a century to bring their economies of the lesser countries to a level that is remotely comparable to the EU giants. -The EU is trying to strive forward pulling ten tonne of dead weight behind them.

[keithisco]

stevewinn, on 29 January 2013 - 05:01 PM, said:

they say - the experts that the euro zone will take 10 years to turn things around, how different will the EU/Eurozone look in ten years time. Greece is actually in a depression and has been for the last 6 years.   this is the mess the prosperous members have to fix and are expected to fix. - that is one of the main reasons we should leave ASAP. let the likes of Germany, France hand over their tax payers money time and time again. they'll soon get fed up. look at the eurozone members. its going to take a century to bring their economies of the lesser countries to a level that is remotely comparable to the EU giants. -The EU is trying to strive forward pulling ten tonne of dead weight behind them.

Then perhaps the ECB shouldn´t have handed over 37,4 Billion Euros of bailout money to UK Banks.

[stevewinn]

keithisco, on 29 January 2013 - 05:04 PM, said:

Then perhaps the ECB shouldn´t have handed over 37,4 Billion Euros of bailout money to UK Banks.

Yes but lets tell people the fully story, this 37.4 Billion to UK banks the loans never come to UK mainland, the loans from the ECB are for the exposure to the British banks, with operations in mainland Europe. they applied for the loan which was to cover their operations in Europe.

British Banks NEVER loaned money for their UK operations. - people could and will confuse the two, because it looks like the ECB were bailing out the UK, which is simply not true and why i feel i have to point this out- in short the British banks who operate in Europe received ECB money to cover their exposure and operations in european countries and eurozone areas only. -  i bet that as burst some peoples bubbles.

Again. the banks who borrowed the ECB money done so to cover their exposure in Spain, Portugal, Ireland, Netherlands etc...........Not the UK. i hope Keith and Questionmark never thought they were bailing out the UK. easy mistake to make when your off the boil.

[questionmark]

stevewinn, on 29 January 2013 - 06:28 PM, said:

Yes but lets tell people the fully story, this 37.4 Billion to UK banks the loans never come to UK mainland, the loans from the ECB are for the exposure to the British banks, with operations in mainland Europe. they applied for the loan which was to cover their operations in Europe.

British Banks NEVER loaned money for their UK operations. - people could and will confuse the two, because it looks like the ECB were bailing out the UK, which is simply not true and why i feel i have to point this out- in short the British banks who operate in Europe received ECB money to cover their exposure and operations in european countries and eurozone areas only. -  i bet that as burst some peoples bubbles.

Again. the banks who borrowed the ECB money done so to cover their exposure in Spain, Portugal, Ireland, Netherlands etc...........Not the UK. i hope Keith and Questionmark never thought they were bailing out the UK. easy mistake to make when your off the boil.

You make that protecting British banks against going bankrupt due to their self incurred exposition is not bailing them out? Can you send me a copy of your dictionary?

[keithisco]

stevewinn, on 29 January 2013 - 06:28 PM, said:

Yes but lets tell people the fully story, this 37.4 Billion to UK banks the loans never come to UK mainland, the loans from the ECB are for the exposure to the British banks, with operations in mainland Europe. they applied for the loan which was to cover their operations in Europe.

British Banks NEVER loaned money for their UK operations. - people could and will confuse the two, because it looks like the ECB were bailing out the UK, which is simply not true and why i feel i have to point this out- in short the British banks who operate in Europe received ECB money to cover their exposure and operations in european countries and eurozone areas only. -  i bet that as burst some peoples bubbles.

Again. the banks who borrowed the ECB money done so to cover their exposure in Spain, Portugal, Ireland, Netherlands etc...........Not the UK. i hope Keith and Questionmark never thought they were bailing out the UK. easy mistake to make when your off the boil.

In short the UK Banks were Bailed Out by the ECB for their poor, almost criminal, lending within Europe? Still a "Bail Out" in anybody´s book.

The only "bubble" that has burst is the Financial "Bubble" that the UK Banks never saw coming, along with the rest of the World´s Banking Institutions.

Edited by keithisco, 29 January 2013 - 07:49 PM.

[smurf0852]

it is pointless discussing this with the England flag waving types because we won the war don't you know tally ho chocks away .
arguing with this bunch of europhile   little Englanders is like trying to tell fire not to get hot .

[shaddow134]

smurf0852, on 30 January 2013 - 01:35 AM, said:

it is pointless discussing this with the England flag waving types because we won the war don't you know tally ho chocks away .
arguing with this bunch of europhile   little Englanders is like trying to tell fire not to get hot .

Johnny Englander and proud of it,I love my Country not the EUSSR.

Oh and I love Canada as well.

Edited by shaddow134, 30 January 2013 - 06:04 AM.

[keithisco]

It appears that France, Italy, Poland, and Greece will refuse to re - negotiate terms with the UK, which require unanimity within the EU for agreement.

This means that any further pronouncements from Cameron, any details, any taking back of powers that he presents in the run - up to the next election, will just be pointless hot - air. There will be no presentation in 2017 (assumes his re-election) of renegotiated terms therefore, no referendum, because he left enough "wriggle room" to get out of this "pledge".

He is just as cynical as all the other Politicians in Governm,ent down the ages

[Frank Merton]

Of course they refuse to negotiate, until they negotiate.  Cameron understand all that.

[keithisco]

Cameron actually does not understand EU sentiment towards the UK. They would like nothing better than to leave the idiot with egg on his face for promising something he cant deliver

[Frank Merton]

I suspect he understands things perfectly well.  People like him are not idiots, much as losers in the general public may like to persuade themselves they are.

[Br Cornelius]

Frank Merton, on 30 January 2013 - 12:08 PM, said:

I suspect he understands things perfectly well.  People like him are not idiots, much as losers in the general public may like to persuade themselves they are.

He has made a pledge which he knew when he made it, he would never have to deliver on.

Br Cornelius