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#1    Render

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 09:38 AM

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WASHINGTON—On average, Americans die sooner and experience higher rates of disease and injury than people in other high-income countries, says a new report from the National Research Council and Institute of Medicine.
The report finds that this health disadvantage exists at all ages from birth to age 75 and that even advantaged Americans—those who have health insurance, college educations, higher incomes and healthy behaviors—appear to be sicker than their peers in other rich nations.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 10:51 AM

Interesting, it appears that older Americans are actually doing better than other countries, but younger Americans are doing far worse:

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"It's a tragedy. Our report found that an equally large, if not larger, disadvantage exists among younger Americans," Woolf said. "I don't think most parents know that, on average, infants, children and adolescents in the U.S. die younger and have greater rates of illness and injury than youth in other countries."
The panel did find that the U.S. outperforms its peers in some areas of health and health-related behavior. People in the U.S. over age 75 live longer, and Americans have lower death rates from stroke and cancer, better control of blood pressure and cholesterol levels, and lower rates of smoking.

So, now the question arises as to why the younger Americans are dying at higher rates? Lifestyle choices would be my guess.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 12:10 PM

I am not surprised.  We eat a lot of crappy food. I don't eat out much anymore, just to many calories, bad carbs and fat.  Even if it looks healthy most of the it is not.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 12:25 PM

Many old people lived through years of austerity where food was scarce but generally wholesome. This is a perfect formula for a good and healthy long life.
A life of abundance put tremendous stress on our bodies and generally shortens life considerably.
America is the culture of excess and this is especially true of its food habits, coupled to a culture where everything is done by car, and this is where you should look for the difference between the USA and the rest of the developed world.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 12:44 PM

Maybe the stress of having to keep a gun to protect yourself against the other gun handlers is getting to them.

In an ideal World a law would be passed were NO guns were allowed and all those out there destroyed, trouble is the law makers are not going to take a risk of trying to pass that without making sure they are armed first.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 12:45 PM

BK, McDonalds, Taco Bell etc etc.

Not exactly going to make a generation healthy.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 01:35 PM

There is a marked difference in the health of people not afraid to go to the doctor at the slightest discomfort and those who cannot afford a doctor. After ten years of mandatory healthcare for all the playing field will be level again. Except, of course, for the cases of McPuke abuse...

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 01:44 PM

I hate to say this but I routinely get medical advice from the internet instead of going to a doctor.  I even had a good result asking a medical question on Yahoo Answers site.    My insurance won't pay until I have at least $5,000 of medical expenses in a year.  This is private coverage I pay for myself.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 02:38 PM

View PostLilly, on 23 January 2013 - 10:51 AM, said:

Interesting, it appears that older Americans are actually doing better than other countries, but younger Americans are doing far worse:



So, now the question arises as to why the younger Americans are dying at higher rates? Lifestyle choices would be my guess.

Personaly I think a number of things contribute. The older generation didnt eat GM foods from birth. Didnt get injected with anywhere near the amounts of harmfull toxins in vaccines. The older generations didnt deal with as much pollution, nor did they have drug companies pushing all kinds of harmful drugs on them. Family was important to the older generations, while kids for the past 20 or so years have had to deal with things like depression cause of mass divorce, and over all break ups of families. Even on a spiritual level, the older generations were told they were loved by a higher power, and from that had a feeling of self worth. While todays kids are told they are animals, and its survival of the fittest. Thats not to say the older generations were right about that higher power, but you can see how the different mind set could contribute.

My wife has worked for hospice for the last 10 years. She tells me all the time how thier patients are just getting younger and younger with every passing year.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 02:45 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 23 January 2013 - 01:35 PM, said:

There is a marked difference in the health of people not afraid to go to the doctor at the slightest discomfort and those who cannot afford a doctor. After ten years of mandatory healthcare for all the playing field will be level again. Except, of course, for the cases of McPuke abuse...

In some cases it will help. But I think governments who protect corperations, like those putting floride in the water, or drug companies pushing all kinds of cover the symptoms instead of curing the diease drugs will be impossible to stop. 0bama just appointed one of the top CEO's from monsanto, to the head of the FDA. I personaly believe they want most of us dead, and are hitting us with soft kill methods from many angles.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 02:52 PM

View Postpreacherman76, on 23 January 2013 - 02:45 PM, said:

In some cases it will help. But I think governments who protect corperations, like those putting floride in the water, or drug companies pushing all kinds of cover the symptoms instead of curing the diease drugs will be impossible to stop. 0bama just appointed one of the top CEO's from monsanto, to the head of the FDA. I personaly believe they want most of us dead, and are hitting us with soft kill methods from many angles.

Naturally there are added factors, where I am not sure whether fluoride is one of them. But allowing antibiotics and anabolica as  growth enhancer, pesticides that are prohibited in many other parts of the world and certain sugar surrogates surely does not help the situation. But that does not help with America's biggest heath problem: Chronic disease. And those are caused by lack of quick treatment.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 02:55 PM

View PostBr Cornelius, on 23 January 2013 - 12:25 PM, said:

Many old people lived through years of austerity where food was scarce but generally wholesome. This is a perfect formula for a good and healthy long life.
A life of abundance put tremendous stress on our bodies and generally shortens life considerably.
America is the culture of excess and this is especially true of its food habits, coupled to a culture where everything is done by car, and this is where you should look for the difference between the USA and the rest of the developed world.

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Well said BR. Its hard for me to buy organic food all the time, cause I just cant afford it. But I do get the best vitamin drink on the planet and we all take it daily. A nasty flu was sweeping through my area a few weeks ago. Both my kids got it. My one year old was over it in 3 days, and never got a temp over 101. My seven year old got it to, both confirmed by a pee test at the doctors. I had to make him stay home for 2 days so he didnt get anyone else sick, even though he was begging me to let him go. His fever never got above 100, and only lasted one day.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 05:16 PM

If I recall from reading this a couple of weeks ago, the US is at 75, Switzerland (or maybe Sweden) is at the top at 79, and there are something like 15 other countries between the US and the top.

So basically you've got the top 17 industrialized nations with a life expectancy between 75 and 79.

Is that really such a significant gap?  Especially when one considers how different the US is vs the other nations above us.  I would bet that if you looked at auto accidents alone it would make up much of that difference.

Either way, I don't feel that its a condemnation of the US healthcare system or US lifestyle.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 05:18 PM

View PostRafterman, on 23 January 2013 - 05:16 PM, said:

If I recall from reading this a couple of weeks ago, the US is at 75, Switzerland (or maybe Sweden) is at the top at 79, and there are something like 15 other countries between the US and the top.

So basically you've got the top 17 industrialized nations with a life expectancy between 75 and 79.

Is that really such a significant gap?  Especially when one considers how different the US is vs the other nations above us.  I would bet that if you looked at auto accidents alone it would make up much of that difference.

Either way, I don't feel that its a condemnation of the US healthcare system or US lifestyle.

The significant gap is not old age, the significant gap is the amount of canes (or crutches) you need to get there.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 05:25 PM

View Postpreacherman76, on 23 January 2013 - 02:55 PM, said:

Well said BR. Its hard for me to buy organic food all the time, cause I just cant afford it. But I do get the best vitamin drink on the planet and we all take it daily. A nasty flu was sweeping through my area a few weeks ago. Both my kids got it. My one year old was over it in 3 days, and never got a temp over 101. My seven year old got it to, both confirmed by a pee test at the doctors. I had to make him stay home for 2 days so he didnt get anyone else sick, even though he was begging me to let him go. His fever never got above 100, and only lasted one day.

Considering there's not a "pee test" for the flu, I would guess that they didn't have the flu.  The rapid tests that doctors perform in office are done by swabbing the back of the throat or nasal passages.

As far as buying organic food is concerned, save your money.  There is no evidence that it is any better or worse for you than the regular stuff.  Corn is corn.

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