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tyrant lizard, on 23 January 2013 - 09:45 PM, said:

Even that?

You understand me perfectly. Nitpicking will get you nowhere.

[Coffey]

ealdwita, on 23 January 2013 - 09:03 PM, said:

As World War I drew to a close, the new Weimar Republic government banned nearly all private gun ownership to comply with the Treaty of Versailles and mandated that all guns and ammunition "be surrendered immediately." The law was loosened in 1928, and gun permits were granted to citizens "of undoubted reliability" (in the law's words) but not "persons who are itinerant like Gypsies." In 1938, under Nazi rule, gun laws became significantly more relaxed, and the Minister of the Interior, Wilhelm Frick, passed Regulations Against Jews' Possession of Weapons. Rifle and shotgun possession were deregulated, and gun access for hunters, Nazi Party members, and government officials was expanded. The legal age to own a gun was lowered. Jews, however, were prohibited from owning firearms and other dangerous weapons.

(My files)

Ah that's where the confusion is then. Thanks for the info!

[Kafkaesque]

WoIverine, on 23 January 2013 - 09:34 PM, said:

Just noticed a few of your Avatars in this thread and for a minute thought, Sauron disarming the free people of Middle Earth would've completely secured his domination of all Arda.

In reality, Sauron was trying to overthrow Middle-Earth to have a seat to fight against a rising Dragon empire in the east that was stirred by the two blue Wizards of Gandalf's order. But the point and comparison you made was true enough. He would have at least taken over Middle-Earth.

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Eonwe, on 23 January 2013 - 09:57 PM, said:

In reality, Sauron was trying to overthrow Middle-Earth to have a seat to fight against a rising Dragon empire in the east that was stirred by the two blue Wizards of Gandalf's order. But the point and comparison you made was true enough. He would have at least taken over Middle-Earth.

Interesting, never heard that at all. From what I can find online about it, no one else seems to know as well. Very cool though! I'm almost wondering if Aragorn's remaining armies ever had to deal with the dragons.

[AsteroidX]

Gotta love hyperbole

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WoIverine, on 23 January 2013 - 10:30 PM, said:

Interesting, never heard that at all. From what I can find online about it, no one else seems to know as well. Very cool though! I'm almost wondering if Aragorn's remaining armies ever had to deal with the dragons.

That's why there were no dragons in Sauron's armies; the dragons went north and east. There were dragons in the armies of Morgoth in the War of the Wrath, in which a dragon called Anacalagon The Black served the darkness. The dragon was larger than three mountains and was defeated by Eärendil the Mariner, the father of Elrond. He defeated him only through the help of the Eagles and a powerful, glowing, flying ship called the Vingilot; which was helped built by Círdan, the oldest Elf in Middle-Earth; one of the keeper of the three Elven rings, Narya - which he secretly gave to Gandalf when he arrived in Middle-Earth.

It's a complex mythology...

Either way, back on subject, the people behind this forum seemingly advertised the forum about "Guns and public safety."

In the end, it seemed they unfortunately wanted to blast the NRA and gun ownership.

[sslama]

Does anyone really think the Gov't is trying to disarm the US.  I don't think so.....they are trying to make it difficult to get Military Style weapons that kill a hundred people in a minute.  Also.....the fact that there are only 34 gun deaths in the UK and 12,000 in the US kind of speaks for itself.  Same with Canada and all the other country's that have controls on the guns.    I am just thankful I don't live in the US.  Nice place to visit but I wouldn't want to live there.  Too much Paranoia to the point of delusional.

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ealdwita, on 23 January 2013 - 09:31 PM, said:

Welcome to life in the UK, matey!

NY State is far worse than the UK is right now. At least you guys dont have some ****** ass News Group coming along and releasing a list of everyone's Name, and Addresses on a Interactive Map on the internet in NY State who owns a Hand Gun/Guns ******* Legally. And then claiming we as Legal Gun owners don't have a right to privacy and claiming its for "Protecting other Citizens" o some bull **** answer like that. Treating us like Level Sex Offenders. And yes i am on that list without my permission.

[Uncle Sam]

To specifically label all responsible gun owners as Nazi is slandering millions upon millions of Americans who take pride in gun safety and protection for their family members in such a dangerous times when there is gangs and illegal foreign militias. They take tragedies and use it to further their ignorant agendas of removing guns from all legal American's hands when it is them that protect their rights and liberties from those that like to see our nation fall. We are allowed to have our guns to protect from foreign or domestic threats, that includes our government if they feel the need to make us more proficient like China currently treats their citizens.

So when they go about slandering citizens or servicemen who sacrifice their normal lives to protect our lives or our interests that make our life so much easier, this p***es me off so much to the point that I don't even want to be part of this nation anymore. We as Americans must remain ever vigilant against those that want to deprive us of our rights or liberties, even if it is misguided smaller groups that think it is a good idea when it is exactly the opposite.

Famous quotes from our founding fathers and other influential figures in history:

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"Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty." Wendell Phillips

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin

"If ye love wealth greater than liberty, than tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands that feed you; and posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." Samuel Adams

"If we become a people who are willing to give up our money and our freedom in exchange for rhetoric and promises, then nothing can save us." Thomas Sowell

"The trade-off between freedom and security, so often proposed so seductively, very often leads to the loss of both." Christopher Hitchens

"No man is entitled to the blessing of freedom unless he be vigilant in its preservation." General Douglas MacArthur

"A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one!" Alexander Hamilton

"Those who profess to favor freedom, yet deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground. They want rain without thunder or lightning. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its many waters. This struggle may be a moral one; or it may be a physical one; or it may be both moral and physical; but it must be a struggle. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will." Frederick Douglass

"Liberty cannot be preserved without a general knowledge among the people." John Adams

"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free... it expects what never was and never will be." Thomas Jefferson

"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." John F. Kennedy

"The two enemies of the people are criminals and the government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the constitution so the second will become the legalized version of the first." Thomas Jefferson

And a quote from me... what I said while attending an town meeting for banning guns.

"Try to understand what our founding fathers said, they knew this would happen, they tried to prepare us against this corruptions, ignorances, and tyrants. If you don't heed their call, we will be nothing but slaves instead of patriots in the pages of history." Mark Dusty Morgan AKA Uncle Sam

Edited by Uncle Sam, 24 January 2013 - 04:17 AM.

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"It does not take a majority to prevail ... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men."
Samuel Adams

[Uncle Sam]

It can be used for good or evil, regardless, so we must be ever vigilant against those who want to take away our freedoms or liberty. Remember that AsteroidX.

"The trade-off between freedom and security, so often proposed so seductively, very often leads to the loss of both." Christopher Hitchens

Edited by Uncle Sam, 24 January 2013 - 04:31 AM.

[CRYSiiSx2]

I love this video.  Our 2nd amendment will not be taken.  There are far too many citizens who are willing to fight for our rights, and it's our duty to do so.  

sslama, on 24 January 2013 - 02:05 AM, said:

Does anyone really think the Gov't is trying to disarm the US.  I don't think so.....they are trying to make it difficult to get Military Style weapons that kill a hundred people in a minute.  Also.....the fact that there are only 34 gun deaths in the UK and 12,000 in the US kind of speaks for itself.  Same with Canada and all the other country's that have controls on the guns. I am just thankful I don't live in the US.  Nice place to visit but I wouldn't want to live there.  Too much Paranoia to the point of delusional.

I would love to know where you get your facts from.  12,000 military style weapon murders?  Killing hundreds in a minute?  Please don't post on the subject if you have absolutely no clue, and feel the need to make up your own statistics for your own opinion.  I'm pretty sure you wouldn't even know how to handle a gun, you would be the dangerous one with a gun.

Edited by CRYSiiSx2, 24 January 2013 - 04:55 AM.

[AsteroidX]

Good point Uncle Sam

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sslama, on 24 January 2013 - 02:05 AM, said:

Does anyone really think the Gov't is trying to disarm the US.  I don't think so.....they are trying to make it difficult to get Military Style weapons that kill a hundred people in a minute.  Also.....the fact that there are only 34 gun deaths in the UK and 12,000 in the US kind of speaks for itself.  Same with Canada and all the other country's that have controls on the guns. I am just thankful I don't live in the US.  Nice place to visit but I wouldn't want to live there.  Too much Paranoia to the point of delusional.

I believe the government is simply using this opportunity to push an agenda.

They couldn't disarm America without bloodshed. A lot of it.

[sslama]

Re the big deal about changing the constitution…..didn’t Bush change the constitution?  The 4^th amendment I believe.  Can’t remember if it changed or if he just didn’t pay any attention to it.

" The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. "

I do know they never tried to follow constitutional protections for citizens' privacy. They wanted to change the Constitution, by permanently stripping these rights away from the American people.

And why are responsible gun owners victims….they are able to own guns just want to change the type of guns....military style weapons.  Who needs them?  And how are background checks for responsible people a problem.  It’s only a problem if you aren’t responsible.

I my opinion you guys aren’t really making much sense saying that…

Edited by sslama, 24 January 2013 - 06:26 PM.