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How Nazis Escaped Justice in South America


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Posted 24 January 2013 - 08:23 PM

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After World War II, dozens of Nazi criminals went into hiding in South America. A new study reveals how a 'coalition of the unwilling' on both sides of the Atlantic successfully stymied efforts to hunt and prosecute these criminals for decades.

All it took was a transposed number -- 1974 instead of 1947 -- for Gustav Wagner to be allowed to stay in Brazil. It was a mere slip of the pen by the man who had translated the German document into Portuguese that prompted Brazil's supreme court to deny West Germany's request to extradite the former SS officer. And yet Wagner stood accused of complicity in the murders of 152,000 Jews at the Sobibor extermination camp in German-occupied Poland.

Josef Mengele, the notorious concentration camp doctor at Auschwitz, also benefited from mistakes and delays because French officials with Interpol, the international police force then headquartered in Paris, refused to conduct international searches for Nazi war criminals. And, in the case of SS Colonel Walther Rauff, who helped developed mobile gas chambers used to kill Jews, it was an official with the German Foreign Ministry who sabotaged his own government's extradition request to Chile for 14 months.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 08:27 PM

A lot of those Nazis had friends in high places!

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 08:45 PM

Fredrick Forsyth's 'Odessa Files' is an entertaining (and remarkably factual) novel on the subject of the 'Organization der ehemaligen SS-Angehörigen' - the Nazi escape route to Perón's Argentina.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 08:45 PM

Sounds like a case of a lot of people covering their own rear ends.


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Posted 24 January 2013 - 10:46 PM

Errr....maybe thats because Nazists never loose the war?

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 11:14 PM

I am a 100% sure I met one in Arequipa. Peru, 1991.

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Edited by Abramelin, 24 January 2013 - 11:15 PM.


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Posted 25 January 2013 - 12:37 AM

View Postthe L, on 24 January 2013 - 10:46 PM, said:

Errr....maybe thats because Nazists never loose the war?

Having many of their leaders hanged as criminals, their cities reduced to rubble and their country occupied by enemies shows a certain amount of 'losing'. For the ones who escaped, a lifetime spent in hiding still qualifies as a FAIL.


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Posted 25 January 2013 - 12:42 AM

Josef Mengele's was a real dirt bag , he was the ultimate " Nazi "

If anyone deserved to be hung it was him ....

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 04:51 AM

There was a rumor that hilter faked his own death and went to south America..i saw this on a tv show


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Posted 26 January 2013 - 08:17 AM

View PostPersonFromPorlock, on 25 January 2013 - 12:37 AM, said:

Having many of their leaders hanged as criminals, their cities reduced to rubble and their country occupied by enemies shows a certain amount of 'losing'. For the ones who escaped, a lifetime spent in hiding still qualifies as a FAIL.

Contradiction. In one post you said leaders hanged and "ones who escaped."
Their cities werent in fact their cities. Nazi were Germans, Germans were NOT Nazi.
Nazists made deal all time with USA,Russia,Japan, Italy, etc.

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 07:32 PM

They are alive

http://www.salon.com...erment_partner/

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 10:41 PM

View Postthe L, on 26 January 2013 - 08:17 AM, said:

Contradiction. In one post you said leaders hanged and "ones who escaped."

Hanged or on the run, neither is 'not losing.'

Their cities werent in fact their cities. Nazi were Germans, Germans were NOT Nazi.

They were their cities, the government owned them, not the German people; who, incidentally, were Nazi enough until the war got lost.

Nazists made deal all time with USA,Russia,Japan, Italy, etc.

Yep. Nobody's perfect.



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Posted 26 January 2013 - 10:55 PM

Because Germans didnt have alternative for Hitler. He killed all who opposed him.

And yes nobody is perfect.
As Ford and IBM.

There are German side of story too.
When UK and USA prepared chemical attack on German cities.
Then Germans heard of it and bomb their ship full of nerve gases in Bari.
Then Bari was ruined due chemical weapon (although there was deal of not using bio weapon)

That drive mad Italians and Germans in Italy. They resist so hardly that they didnt want to surrender to USA and UK due incident in Bari.
So USA and UK invite Brazil to join them. Ever wonder why Brazil join the war in the end?

Then UK and USA made deal with Germans and Italians to surrender to Brazilians.

Edited by the L, 26 January 2013 - 11:03 PM.

JFK: "And we are as a people, inherently and historically, opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths, and to secret proceedings.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 11:02 PM

Also I dont know are you aware of second jewish state in Asia. Not that in middle east.
This one is hidden. Even jews dont like to talk about it because Arabs could say there you go, you have your own state  before , free Palestina.
Its interesting how that "state" was formed. Russians,Japanese and USA working together....

Also UK and USA play games why Russians and Chinese were dying.
Also USA wanted to invade UK and Canada before WW2.


There are indications that Hitler have had nuclear bomb and that he used it to stop invading Russian army. etc etc.

Edited by the L, 26 January 2013 - 11:05 PM.

JFK: "And we are as a people, inherently and historically, opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths, and to secret proceedings.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 11:07 PM

Things are not as we learn in school. Many stories are different. Like mass rape of German girls by Russians which mostly UK and USA present while Germans dont know what they talking about.

But hey, we learn in school that Columbus discover America so you must know what is propaganda and what is fact....sadly we must do this by hard way...gathering all acounts and judging on our own because information conradicts.

Edited by the L, 26 January 2013 - 11:12 PM.

JFK: "And we are as a people, inherently and historically, opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths, and to secret proceedings.
For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy..."




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