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Posted 27 January 2013 - 03:15 AM

https://www.youtube....t&v=fGaDAThOHhA

I've noticed that all the Australians here who have discussed the gun problems in the US seem uniformly to be FOR gun control.  I assumed it was typical of all Ozzies.  Guess I was a wee bit mistaken!

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 03:39 AM

Every country will have those who are pro and anti gun.  This report is distinctly one sided, the real telling point was when one guy said to "make sure you are a member of the NRA", right.

Please take note of the following the report "Firearms and Violent Crime 1995 to 2005":

The current analysis shows that the use of firearms in robbery offences peaked in
1997 and has since been steadily falling. Shooting offences have also declined in recent years after a peak
in 2001. The rate of shooting incidents per 100,000 population is higher in Sydney than in the rest of NSW,
with Fairfield-Liverpool Statistical Subdivision recording particularly high rates. The age profile of alleged
offenders involved in firearms incidents has changed since 2000, with markedly fewer offenders aged 15-19
identified in connection with firearm-related incidents in 2005.
INTRODUCTION
In the first half of 2006 there were a
number of shooting incidents in NSW
which were widely reported in the press.
In many of these cases, shots were fired
into cars or houses, resulting in property
damage, injury and, on occasion, death.
For instance, in one tragic incident,
which was apparently domestic violence
related, a bullet fired from a passing car
killed a woman standing near a window
of her home (Sydney Morning Herald,
27 March 2006). The extensive attention
that these types of offences receive in
the media can give the impression that
crimes involving firearms are frequent
occurrences or are on the rise. The
purpose of this paper is to provide
statistical evidence bearing on the
extent to which firearms are used in the
commission of offences and the extent to
which the incidence of firearm offences
have varied over the last 11 years.
This paper

Also take note of the number of gun crimes steadily decreasing on the graph at the top of page 3 of the report:

http://www.lawlink.n...$file/CJB98.pdf

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 04:02 AM

Gun crimes in Australia, which are rare, are usually between criminals. Home invasions are still fairly rare.

And like libstaK said, the video is very one sided.

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Historically, Australia has had relatively low levels of violent crime. Overall levels of homicide and suicide have been in decline for several decades, while the proportion of these crimes that involved firearms has consistently declined since the early 1980s. Between 1991 and 2001, the number of firearm-related deaths in Australia declined 47%.[25] According to a 2011 report from the Australian government, "...the number of victims of homicide has been in decline since 1996. In 1996, there were 354 victims and 260 victims in 2010. This is a decrease of 27 percent." And furthermore, "The proportion of homicide victims killed by offenders using firearms in 2009–10 represented a decrease of 18 percentage points from the peak of 31 percent in 1995–96 (the year in which the Port Arthur massacre occurred with the death of 35 people, which subsequently led to the introduction of stringent firearms legislation)."

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 05:46 AM

Ultimately it was the choice of Australians to give away this freedom and so I have no issue - it was done democratically.  I merely was pointing to the fact that I was a bit surprised that some there were so vocal about the loss of this freedom.  Naivete on my part I guess.

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 05:53 AM

View Postand then, on 27 January 2013 - 03:15 AM, said:

https://www.youtube....t&v=fGaDAThOHhA

I've noticed that all the Australians here who have discussed the gun problems in the US seem uniformly to be FOR gun control.  I assumed it was typical of all Ozzies.  Guess I was a wee bit mistaken!

No, they are right. Most of these video's don't reflect national opinions.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 11:53 AM

Individuals' opinions are never their nation's opinion when that nation doesn't respect its individuals' opinions.   And that's a shame for such nations.

I'm sure Arthur Field is understandably very one-sided after he lived through the helpless terror of being jumped on, choked, tied up, and robbed.  Those objective opinions on the other side of the arms control issue don't care about Arthur Field's opinion because they haven't been jumped on, choked, tied up and robbed.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 05:16 PM

View PostYamato, on 29 January 2013 - 11:53 AM, said:

Individuals' opinions are never their nation's opinion when that nation doesn't respect its individuals' opinions.   And that's a shame for such nations.

I'm sure Arthur Field is understandably very one-sided after he lived through the helpless terror of being jumped on, choked, tied up, and robbed.  Those objective opinions on the other side of the arms control issue don't care about Arthur Field's opinion because they haven't been jumped on, choked, tied up and robbed.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 10:40 PM

Pro gun people being, well, pro gun. Not a lot of sense being made, just a lot of **** being thrown everywhere.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 10:52 PM

View Postand then, on 27 January 2013 - 05:46 AM, said:

Ultimately it was the choice of Australians to give away this freedom and so I have no issue - it was done democratically.  I merely was pointing to the fact that I was a bit surprised that some there were so vocal about the loss of this freedom.  Naivete on my part I guess.

Can you please explain what freedom I have given up ?

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 12:52 AM

The freedom to shoot people obviously.

View Posttipotep, on 29 January 2013 - 10:52 PM, said:

Can you please explain what freedom I have given up ?

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The right to shoot people. Duh. You're not really free if you can't shoot people or walk around with massively overpowered assault rifles.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 03:22 AM

View PostMichaelW, on 30 January 2013 - 12:52 AM, said:

The freedom to shoot people obviously.

The right to shoot people. Duh. You're not really free if you can't shoot people or walk around with massively overpowered assault rifles.

Your definition of freedom is messed up bro.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 03:33 AM

View Postacidhead, on 30 January 2013 - 03:22 AM, said:

Your definition of freedom is messed up bro.

I think you missed the joke :-*

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 05:34 AM

Thing is, unless you're a convicted criminal or under psychiatric care you can buy a fire arm.
There are some styles of guns you can't buy, but I could apply for and get a gun within a few months - except the law also says things about securing the guns, mandatory training etc etc.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 08:47 AM

View Postacidhead, on 30 January 2013 - 03:22 AM, said:

Your definition of freedom is messed up bro.

Point missed massively.

Of course, my definitions of freedom are different to yours because I actually know what freedom is.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 11:51 AM

View Posttipotep, on 29 January 2013 - 10:52 PM, said:

Can you please explain what freedom I have given up ?

TiP.
It wasn't intended as a remonstrance, just an observation.  At one point an Australian citizen had a right to own firearms and now they no longer have such a right, is this not correct?  Can you, if you were so minded today, go and purchase a firearm?

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